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EllenRichter:     Great time to mention that one of the #RNchat topics today will discuss implantable
                  defibrillators & their effect on DNR status.
                  5/21/2010 09:10


rnchat:           RT @EllenRichter Great time to mention that an #RNchat topic today will discuss
                  implantable defibrillators & their effect on DNR status.
                  5/21/2010 09:11


EllenRichter:     Twitter #nurses come join us today @ 11:30 AM EST for our TGIF edition of #RNchat
                  where we will discuss the validity of "Nursing Care Plans"
                  5/21/2010 09:16


visiting_nurse:   support article 4 topic http://bit.ly/arp8vv RT @EllenRichter: #RNchat topics implantable
                  defibrillators & effect on DNR status.
                  5/21/2010 09:42


visiting_nurse:   To the Visiting Nurses FB Fans http://bit.ly/9PTUlE come out on Twitter #RNchat
                  @11:30am http://bit.ly/cs36oS topic... http://bit.ly/avwJHl
                  5/21/2010 09:56


TeriRN:           @EllenRichter in my job @ KP hospice we talk 2 the pt & fam about turning defib off.
                  Painful when fires as pt is dying. #RNChat.
                  5/21/2010 10:17


visiting_nurse:   Hi! @TeriRN Do you have a formal policy & procedure 4 hospice & defrib or is it just a
                  practice incorporated in2 pt. care process? #RNChat
                  5/21/2010 10:52


EllenRichter:     Thanks so much to @Visiting_Nurse for sharing a link to this great article to read for
                  #RNchat topic today! ICDs vs DNR http://bit.ly/arp8vv
                  5/21/2010 11:03


TeriRN:           @Visiting_Nurse No P&P yet Had 1st case last wk Talked in team, talked w/fam then had
                  Defib Co go 2 home 2 shut off #RNChat
                  5/21/2010 11:05


philbaumann:      Starting in a few minutes is #RNchat 11:30am EST lead by @EllenRichter #hcsm
                  #hcsmeu
                  5/21/2010 11:11


rnchat:           Howdy, Twitter nurses~ Twenty minutes until the TGIF edition of #RNchat at 11:30 AM
                  EST! Come join us: care plans, ICDs vs DNR
                  5/21/2010 11:13


Aggiern95:        RT @RNchat: Howdy, Twitter nurses~ Twenty minutes until the TGIF edition of #RNchat
                  at 11:30 AM EST! Come join us: care plans, ICDs vs DNR
                  5/21/2010 11:14


rvabusiness:      RT @PhilBaumann: Starting in a few minutes is #RNchat 11:30am EST lead by
                  @EllenRichter #hcsm #hcsmeu
                  5/21/2010 11:14


superjenie:       20% Nursing Shortage by 2015 #RNChat http://bit.ly/cLBSFO via @MatthewBrowning -- to
                  all nurses, thank you! you're under appreciated ;(
                  5/21/2010 11:20


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @PhilBaumann: Starting in a few minutes is #RNchat 11:30am EST lead by
@EllenRichter #hcsm #hcsmeu
                  5/21/2010 11:25


rnchat:           Going to use http://tweetgrid.com to help manage the chat today! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:31


rnchat:           Whew, @philbaumann I had a little heart attack....LOL, at first the password didnt work for
                  this account! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:31


Vaticuss:         #rnchat Lets see if I can follow along today!
                  5/21/2010 11:32


rnchat:           Good afternoon Twitter #nurses & any other health care professional colleagues! Its time
                  for another #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:33


visiting_nurse:   Heather here - home health, hospice and community based care interests. Happy Friday!
                  Glad2 c the sun n DC today. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:33


rnchat:           I am @EllenRichter filling in for our star moderator @philbaumann & I'm looking forward
                  to this hour~ #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:34


rnchat:           You can join our chat by signing into websites like tweetchat or tweetgrid or use twitter
                  search page. Use hashtag #RNchat & follow along!
                  5/21/2010 11:34


rnchat:           #RNchat is a way for nurses (& all others in health care!) to meet, tweet & share feelings,
                  thoughts, ideas~ We welcome silent lurkers!
                  5/21/2010 11:35


NursingCenter:    RT @rnchat: Good afternoon Twitter #nurses & any other health care professional
                  colleagues! Its time for another #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:35


rnchat:           many of you already know the rules! :) Introduce yourselves & tell us in 140 or less what
                  brings you here today! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:36


NursingCenter:    Hi Ellen! Glad to finally be back here for #rnchat! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:36


rnchat:           I'm Ellen, a critical care RN in south Florida & I own a consulting business dealing with
                  medical litigation #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:37


rnchat:           The topics will be labeled T1, T2, etc. Please remember to add topic label & hashtag
                  #RNchat to ea tweet so we can track your responses!
                  5/21/2010 11:38


rnchat:           Nice to see everyone! I like these chats because I love being a nurse!! I know, its very
                  basic, but hey, its true! :) #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:39


NursingCenter:    Lisa here... background as critical care RN & women's health NP. Now a consultant
clinical editor for LWW #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:40


StressedFran:     Haven't been to one in a while, I'm Tami, I'm an editor at HCPro in the nursing and
                  patient safety markets. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:40


rnchat:           T1 We see more implantable defibrillators each year. How do we address turning it off
                  during end-of-life palliative care? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:40


rnchat:           Wow, what a great group of nurses today! So happy you all joined! :) #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:41


rnchat:           T1 (also) Must we now include deactivation of devices in the wording of Living Wills?
                  #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:42


tactile:          Going to repeat that.. I'm JoAnne a med surg RN in Denver. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:42


TRUSTMobility:    Richard of TRUSTMobility, we're Safe Patient Handling Specialists & enjoy hearing you
                  talk about your challenges helping us help you #RNCHat
                  5/21/2010 11:43


DebErupts:        Deb RN, JD here. It should be addressed in the living will. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:44


visiting_nurse:   RT @Visiting_Nurse: @rnchat T1 oh great ? did not think about it from that aspect, but
                  would be gr8 proactive measure #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:44


tactile:          T1 I agree it needs to be addressed in the living will, well ahead of time when possible. I
                  suggest everyone needs a living will. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:45


rnchat:           T1 For those who may not know, implantable defibrillators shock for lethal heart rhythms.
                  In hospice or DNR pts, these rhythms occur #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:46


rnchat:           T1 Yes, @DebErupts I agree w/ living will statement. I think we need to present this issue
                  to all ICD patients after surgery! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:47


onlinenursing:    Hey guys! Terri here, popping in between patients to check on #RNChat -NP, RN,
                  educator. T1- interesting topic!
                  5/21/2010 11:47


DebErupts:        There is a time when the ICD no longer offers the prospect of increased survival and the
                  ICD impedes active dying. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:48


andyatFAD:        Agree with @DebErupts. Should be part of will. (This is Andy, former crit care RN, now
                  acq ed at FA Davis.) #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:49


rnchat:           T1 Have any hospice professionals seen a dying pt get multiple shocks from an active
device? It does occur--we need to end that. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:49


NursingCenter:    T1 Tough question-better to address before pt is critically or terminally ill. After placement
                  is great idea. Even pre-op? #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:49


DebErupts:        Agree, the best time to discuss is in the beginning of ICD placement #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:50


KPNurseRecruit:   I'm joining the #RNChat for a bit this morning. Nurse Recruiter at Kaiser Permanente.
                  Good morning (or afternoon) everyone!
                  5/21/2010 11:50


ONSmark:          @IVchat I just realized we overlapped with #RNchat today! So many chats, not enough
                  time :) #ivchat
                  5/21/2010 11:50


rnchat:           T1 Not only is an activated firing implantable defibrillator an ethical DRN issue--also a
                  pain issue that may not be easily stopped #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:51


visiting_nurse:   @NursingCenter T1 #rnchat I wonder if preop dialogue would chng the minds of some?
                  terminal CAD vs other condition? when do u draw the line?
                  5/21/2010 11:52


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @rnchat: You can join our chat by signing into websites like tweetchat or tweetgrid or
                  use twitter search page. Use hashtag #RNchat & follow along!
                  5/21/2010 11:52


andyatFAD:        T1 Agree with @rnchat. How do we ethically shut off an ICD in terminally ill but not
                  imminently dying pt? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:53


IVchat:           ik, will not do that again.RT @ONSmark: @IVchat I just realized we overlapped with
                  #RNchat today! So many chats, not enough time :) #IVchat
                  5/21/2010 11:53


rnchat:           T1 Had a patient last year who underwent surgery for ICD, then deactivated it 3 months
                  later to enter hospice. Is this an issue too? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:53


visiting_nurse:   RT @TeriRN: @Visiting_Nurse No P&P yet Had 1st case last wk Talked in team, talked
                  w/fam then had Defib Co go 2 home 2 shut off #RNChat
                  5/21/2010 11:54


DebErupts:        What about DNR orders? Do ICDs provide resuscitation or do they merely manage
                  arrhythmias, should remain operational? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:54


InfusionNurse:    @ONSmark ..thanks for joining us, I know #RNchat is going on 2.. will try not to overlap
                  again next time w/ #RNchat #IVchat
                  5/21/2010 11:55


rnchat:           Thanks to @Visiting_Nurse for sharing a link to this great article to read on the topic
                  http://bit.ly/arp8vv #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:55
IVchat:           Out of respect for #RNchat, we will wrap up our #IVchat today. Thanks everyone for
                  joining. Next #IVchat June 1 at 1200 ET. #IVchat
                  5/21/2010 11:56


rnchat:           @VascularAccess #RNchat is a way for nurses (& all others in health care!) to meet,
                  tweet & share feelings, thoughts, ideas~ Join in!
                  5/21/2010 11:56


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @RNChat T1 We see more implantable defibrillators each year. How do we address
                  turning it off during end-of-life palliative care? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:57


rnchat:           @IVchat Oh dear!! I had no idea!! No, we wont compete for times again!! Yikes~ Its also
                  #ivchat #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:57


visiting_nurse:   T1 pacemaker is not a resuscitative device & may enhance quality of life there4,
                  pacemakers r not routinely considrd 4 deactivation #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:58


tersenurse:       #rnchat sorry im late Logan here, BSN, new burn unit RN
                  5/21/2010 11:58


rnchat:           @DebErupts T1 Think it would be physically hard to watch end-of-lifer die of ventricular
                  fibrillation while getting numerous shocks #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 11:58


visiting_nurse:   T1 previous tweet from sample policy regarding ICD deactivation and hospice pt. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 11:59


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @DebErupts Deb RN, JD here. It should be addressed in the living will. #RNchat T1
                  5/21/2010 11:59


IVchat:           @vascularaccess @ONSmark and all others lurking..thanks! See u next time. Please join
                  #RNChat now in progress.. #IVchat
                  5/21/2010 11:59


visiting_nurse:   T1 "defibrillation can result in physical discomfort and psychological stress during the
                  dying process" #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:01


NursingCenter:    @rnchat You're right - sounds horrible #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:02


rnchat:           My friend @Pallimed has wonderful blog for T1: Implantable Cardiac Defibrillators-
                  Hospice Role in Deactivation? http://j.mp/c4Rqze #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:02


visiting_nurse:   T1 and so the poluicy was developed to address those issues #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:02


tersenurse:       #rnchat @visiting_nurse that surprises me. how can we say it's not resucitative device?
                  fixing a lethal issue, isn't that the def of resuc?
                  5/21/2010 12:02


rnchat:           Agree >> RT @visiting_nurse: T1 "defibrillation can result in physical discomfort and
                  psychological stress during the dying process" #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:03
rnchat:           OK 2 more minutes & onward to topic 2, folks! Thanks for all your participation so far!
                  #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:04


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @rnchat: My friend @Pallimed has wonderful blog for T1: Implantable Cardiac
                  Defibrillators- Hospice Role in Deactivation? http://j.mp/c4Rqze #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:04


NursingCenter:    @tersenurse maybe not 'resuscitative' but it is 'life-sustaining' #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:05


rnchat:           T1 To clear up issue: a defibrillator is resuscitative aid by sending heart electric shocks,
                  pacemaker does not provide that current #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:06


NursingCenter:    @rnchat Thank you Ellen! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:07


DebErupts:        ICDs represent another new life-extending technology,which examination of its ethical
                  implications lags behind its use. Written P&P! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:07


philbaumann:      Plz Share: Anyone interested helping to start #PTSDchat for anyone w/PTSD - veterans,
                  victims, etc.? LMKnow #RNchat #hcsm
                  5/21/2010 12:07


rnchat:           T1 Main goal is to bring heightened awareness to the public about the additional steps
                  needed for end-of-life care when you have ICD #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:07


NursingCenter:    RT @rnchat Main goal is bring heightened awareness to public about additional steps
                  needed for end-of-life care when you have ICD #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:08


rnchat:           T2 We spent so much time writing Nursing Care Plans in school. How do they help your
                  nursing care in the "real world"? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:08


tersenurse:       @NursingCenter T1do u think we should modify DNRs 2 include some life sustaining
                  acts? not suggesting we remove all comfort measures #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:09


visiting_nurse:   YES RT @rnchat: T1 Main goal is 2 bring awareness 2 the public about the additional
                  steps needed 4 end-of-life care when u have ICD #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:09


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @rnchat: T2 We spent so much time writing Nursing Care Plans in school. How do
                  they help your nursing care in the "real world"? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:09


tactile:          T2 Care plans are a pain in my ass & I admit, I only do them because they are part of
                  "minimal documentation." I don't see a benefit #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:11


rnchat:           T2 Does the Nursing Care Plan you use at work help to guide your nursing care or is it
                  an additional task to complete each day? #RNchat
5/21/2010 12:11


AmandaChanguris:RT @PhilBaumann: Plz Share: Anyone interested helping to start #PTSDchat for anyone
                w/PTSD - veterans, victims, etc.? LMKnow #RNchat #hcsm
                  5/21/2010 12:11


visiting_nurse:   T2 LOL never can seem 2 get the team to look or follow them. just another task 4 some
                  w/ no meaning. I happen 2 find value in them #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:11


tactile:          T2 I love that the EMR has made it easier to document care plans, but really, I have not
                  seen care change because of them. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:12


rnchat:           @visiting_nurse T2 I like that you find value in NCPs. How do they help your day?
                  #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:12


tersenurse:       agree> @tactile T2 Care plans R a pain in my ass&I admit, I only do them because they
                  are part of "minimal doc." don't see a benefit #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:12


NursingCenter:    @tersenurse T1 not sure...DNR planning must inc. awareness of ICD presence and its
                  implications at end of life #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:13


visiting_nurse:   T2 I am a very process oriented person. I prefer NCP that are more pathway in nature 2
                  show progress of the pt. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:13


NursingCenter:    T2 As much as I disliked care plans, must admit that actually doing them got me thinking
                  about other interventions/care for my pts! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:14


DebErupts:        Like Clinical Pathways! Structured plans of care designed to support the implementation of
                  clinical guidelines and protocols. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:15


tactile:          @NursingCenter T2 I think a good question would be how do we get all nurses to enact
                  the interventions on the care plan? #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:15


visiting_nurse:   T2 also 2 c quickly if nw interventions r needed if they r not meeting the goals. will admit
                  there has 2 b a better way to cr8 them #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:16


tactile:          T2 Care plans only work if we are actually doing the interventions they suggest. Doesn't
                  help if we aren't walking the talk. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:16


NursingCenter:    @tactile Yes! Ours always got buried in the paperwork... With electronic records, where
                  are the care plans? #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:17


rnchat:           @tactile T2 Many times our nursing care IS what the NCP suggests, but we do it without
                  thinking about those specific NCP problems #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:17
BillCody:         RT @rnchat: My friend @Pallimed has wonderful blog for T1: Implantable Cardiac
                  Defibrillators- Hospice Role in Deactivation? http://j.mp/c4Rqze #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:17


tactile:          @NursingCenter t2 that is easy, the care plan is under the care plan button. The CP is
                  easier to find. Also, LOL CP also = care plan #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:17


DebErupts:        Clinical pathways are practical and make more sense in the clinical setting. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:18


rnchat:           @NursingCenter T2 Most EMRs incorporate the nursing care plan into an Multidisciplinary
                  Educational Record used by many depts #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:18


visiting_nurse:   T2 and to answer the ? what is more effectv NCP vs protocol vs pathway & still
                  incorporate current EBP customizd 2 pt. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:18


tactile:          @rnchat T2 True, but I also see pts at hi risk for complications with NO interventions
                  actually happening. That is frustrating. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:18


nursingpins:      T2 - Care planes are the best for teaching - but I think the Structured plans of care are
                  the future as per @DebErupts #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:19


tactile:          @rnchat T2 If we are truly going to follow the careplan, we need to find a way to remove
                  barriers to interventions. Again.. TIME. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:19


rnchat:           @DebErupts T2 Clinical pathways are great care guidelines but they are based on
                  medical-driven diagnoses, not nursing diagnoses #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:19


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @NursingCenter: T2 As much as I disliked care plans, must admit that actually doing
                  them got me thinking about other interventions/care for my pts! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:20


andyatFAD:        @nursingpins Pardon my ignorance but what are structured care plans? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:21


rnchat:           @tactile T2 True!! TIME is always a factor in delivering great nursing care! So many
                  nursing diagnoses, so little time! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:21


KPNurseRecruit:   RT @tactile: T2 Care plans only work if we are actually doing the interventions they
                  suggest. Doesn't help if we aren't walking the talk. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:21


tersenurse:       T2 #rnchat I'm all about chcklists 2 benefit our pts bt i c CP as something that ends up
                  taking time away from the bedside, w/ no benefit
                  5/21/2010 12:21


rnchat:           T2 Funny about nursing care plans & litigation: Its usually one of the first documents an
                  attorney scrutinizes! Keep that in mind! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:21
DebErupts:        Clinical Pathways can be multidisciplinary and have a focus on the quality and co-
                  ordination of care. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:22


tactile:          @tersenurse T2 Exactly. It takes 45min to an hour to do all my care plans. JUST THE
                  CARE PLANS. There are better things to do. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:23


andyatFAD:        @DebErupts Thnx! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:23


DebErupts:        As an nurse attorney, the care plan is not my first focus. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:23


andyatFAD:        RT @DebErupts: Clinical Pathways can be multidisciplinary and have a focus on the
                  quality and co-ordination of care.~Until the trial #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:24


tersenurse:       #rnchat t2 its difficult to make something simple and beneficial, while keeping it quick and
                  easy to use. anyone read checklist manifesto?
                  5/21/2010 12:24


tactile:          T2 I also think we need to address the issue of Care Plans causing duplicate
                  documentation. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:24


rnchat:           RT @tactile: T2 Care plans only work if we are actually doing the interventions they
                  suggest. Doesn't help if we aren't walking the talk. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:24


tersenurse:       #rnchat t2 i doubt we can convince Atul Gawande to reformat nursing careplans....
                  5/21/2010 12:25


andyatFAD:        RT @tactile: @tersenurse T2 It takes 45min to an hour to do all my care plans. There are
                  better things to do.~Until the trial #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:26


visiting_nurse:   T2 but NCPs r part our training & discipline. what value do we provide if we are action
                  oriented vs thinking & planning? #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:26


tersenurse:       @tactile t2 #rnchat oh my god I know, plus frequently EMRs don't make it easy to modify
                  and update when a CP is no longer needed
                  5/21/2010 12:26


tactile:          @andyatFAD T2 If I'm actually walking the pt, assessing pain, getting the specialty bed,
                  pushing the IS, there won't be a trial. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:26


tersenurse:       @Visiting_Nurse t2 #rnchat I don't know about you but it is a struggle and i try to
                  multitask and do both, sometimes i fail.
                  5/21/2010 12:27


DebErupts:        I hate nursing care plans. After 30 years as a nurse, I dread them. I want to throw-up
                  thinking about them. There I finally said it. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:27
tactile:          RT @DebErupts: I hate nursing care plans. After 30 years as a nurse, I dread them. I
                  want to throw-up thinking about them. There I finally said it. #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:28


tactile:          @DebErupts #RNchat I am so proud of you!!!
                  5/21/2010 12:29


rnchat:           T2 Great to hear everyone's thoughts abt the validity of Nursing Care Plans in our daily pt
                  care agendas. Its a chore to most RNs #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:29


tactile:          @andyatFAD T2 In addition, my interventions are already documented in the doc flow
                  sheet & note. Care plan makes it triple charting. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:31


rnchat:           T2 I agree with everyone who feels that there is value in NCPs but there must be a better
                  way to merge the process with the care #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:31


rnchat:           LOL with both of you! :) RT @tactile: @DebErupts #RNchat I am so proud of you!!!
                  5/21/2010 12:31


NursingCenter:    I've got to run~ it's been great chatting with you all! Thank you @EllenRichter! Have a
                  good weekend everyone! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:32


tactile:          @rnchat Exactly, why can't we check off the pieces of the care plan we already have to
                  write in our progress note?? #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:32


rnchat:           Just about time to wrap up this TGIF edition of #RNchat ~It has been fun filling in for
                  @philbaumann & I'm so glad you all joined!
                  5/21/2010 12:33


tactile:          @rnchat Ellen, you always do such a great job hosting #rnchat!!! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:34


andyatFAD:        @tactile Good point! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:34


tersenurse:       RT @tactile: @rnchat Ellen, you always do such a great job hosting #rnchat!!! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:34


tactile:          Would just like to ask for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me next week. Our facility
                  is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:34


rnchat:           Please watch for tweets linking to today's transcript! There are always comments I find
                  that I missed totally! Cant wait to read! :) #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:34


visiting_nurse:   Thanks Ellen. Thank you the #rnchat participants. Until next time, have a gr8 weekend:-)
                  5/21/2010 12:35


rnchat:           Thanks for the sweet tweets, folks! I love doing these chats! They are really a great way
                  to expand the brain & share with others! #RNchat
                  5/21/2010 12:35
derekrudnak:      RT @PhilBaumann: Plz Share: Anyone interested helping to start #PTSDchat for anyone
                  w/PTSD - veterans, victims, etc.? LMKnow #RNchat #hcsm
                  5/21/2010 12:36


EllenRichter:     RT @tactile: Would just like to ask for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me next
                  week. Our facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:36


tactile:          @tersenurse Thank you. I SHOULD be okay, b/c I have a superior review, still do skin
                  and wound, & I update my care plans! #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:37


EllenRichter:     Woo hoo! Thanks so much to all of the participants of today's #RNchat ~You made my
                  job of moderator SO EASY!! Great chat!! xoxo TTYL!
                  5/21/2010 12:37


tactile:          @philbaumann I'd like to suggest a topic for #RNchat.. the EMR is making dup, trip, &
                  quadruplicate charting more common. How can we link?
                  5/21/2010 12:39


visiting_nurse:   @tersenurse T2 I hear ya. I took no pleasure n updating plans of care for home health in
                  my home becuz I had no time in ofc/pt. home #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:40


DianeSieg:        RT @EllenRichter @tactile Asking for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me. Our
                  facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:40


KPNurseRecruit:   @RNchat I ditto @Visiting_Nurse! Great job Ellen, interesting discussion, diverse
                  participants on #RNChat today. Have a great weekend!
                  5/21/2010 12:41


visiting_nurse:   @tersenurse T1 difrnc btwn Many curr ICDs combine the functions of pacing &
                  defibrillation - pacing vs defibrillator is the & use? #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 12:47


mikerosenberg9:   RT @tactile: @philbaumann I'd like to suggest a topic for #RNchat.. the EMR is making
                  dup, trip, & quadruplicate charting more common. How can we link?
                  5/21/2010 12:51


philbaumann:      @tactile Excellent topic to discuss on #RNchat - I'll put that on the list! Thanks!
                  5/21/2010 13:10


LindsayMBurke:    Ugh! Missed the @RNchat today while I was inflight! I hope all you #RNchat 'ers had a
                  great time?
                  5/21/2010 13:19


NursingCenter:    RT @tactile: Would just like to ask for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me next
                  week. Our facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat
                  5/21/2010 13:49


NursingCenter:    @RNchat @EllenRichter want to share this article from AACN Advanced Critical Care re:
                  ICDs #RNchat http://bit.ly/bvsqAj
                  5/21/2010 13:52


pedagogymedical: RT @NursingCenter: @RNchat @EllenRichter want to share this article from AACN
                 Advanced Critical Care re: ICDs #RNchat http://bit.ly/bvsqAj
                  5/21/2010 13:53
EllenRichter:   @Pallimed I hope you dont mind I referred our #RNchat readers to your blog on
                defibrillator deactivation in hospice http://j.mp/c4Rqze
                5/21/2010 14:00


EllenRichter:   @rvabusiness Hi there! Just curious...whats your link to #RNchat ~I see you RT'd our
                start time today! Did you join us? :)
                5/21/2010 14:08

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RNchat Transcript May 21, 2010

  • 1. EllenRichter: Great time to mention that one of the #RNchat topics today will discuss implantable defibrillators & their effect on DNR status. 5/21/2010 09:10 rnchat: RT @EllenRichter Great time to mention that an #RNchat topic today will discuss implantable defibrillators & their effect on DNR status. 5/21/2010 09:11 EllenRichter: Twitter #nurses come join us today @ 11:30 AM EST for our TGIF edition of #RNchat where we will discuss the validity of "Nursing Care Plans" 5/21/2010 09:16 visiting_nurse: support article 4 topic http://bit.ly/arp8vv RT @EllenRichter: #RNchat topics implantable defibrillators & effect on DNR status. 5/21/2010 09:42 visiting_nurse: To the Visiting Nurses FB Fans http://bit.ly/9PTUlE come out on Twitter #RNchat @11:30am http://bit.ly/cs36oS topic... http://bit.ly/avwJHl 5/21/2010 09:56 TeriRN: @EllenRichter in my job @ KP hospice we talk 2 the pt & fam about turning defib off. Painful when fires as pt is dying. #RNChat. 5/21/2010 10:17 visiting_nurse: Hi! @TeriRN Do you have a formal policy & procedure 4 hospice & defrib or is it just a practice incorporated in2 pt. care process? #RNChat 5/21/2010 10:52 EllenRichter: Thanks so much to @Visiting_Nurse for sharing a link to this great article to read for #RNchat topic today! ICDs vs DNR http://bit.ly/arp8vv 5/21/2010 11:03 TeriRN: @Visiting_Nurse No P&P yet Had 1st case last wk Talked in team, talked w/fam then had Defib Co go 2 home 2 shut off #RNChat 5/21/2010 11:05 philbaumann: Starting in a few minutes is #RNchat 11:30am EST lead by @EllenRichter #hcsm #hcsmeu 5/21/2010 11:11 rnchat: Howdy, Twitter nurses~ Twenty minutes until the TGIF edition of #RNchat at 11:30 AM EST! Come join us: care plans, ICDs vs DNR 5/21/2010 11:13 Aggiern95: RT @RNchat: Howdy, Twitter nurses~ Twenty minutes until the TGIF edition of #RNchat at 11:30 AM EST! Come join us: care plans, ICDs vs DNR 5/21/2010 11:14 rvabusiness: RT @PhilBaumann: Starting in a few minutes is #RNchat 11:30am EST lead by @EllenRichter #hcsm #hcsmeu 5/21/2010 11:14 superjenie: 20% Nursing Shortage by 2015 #RNChat http://bit.ly/cLBSFO via @MatthewBrowning -- to all nurses, thank you! you're under appreciated ;( 5/21/2010 11:20 KPNurseRecruit: RT @PhilBaumann: Starting in a few minutes is #RNchat 11:30am EST lead by
  • 2. @EllenRichter #hcsm #hcsmeu 5/21/2010 11:25 rnchat: Going to use http://tweetgrid.com to help manage the chat today! #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:31 rnchat: Whew, @philbaumann I had a little heart attack....LOL, at first the password didnt work for this account! #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:31 Vaticuss: #rnchat Lets see if I can follow along today! 5/21/2010 11:32 rnchat: Good afternoon Twitter #nurses & any other health care professional colleagues! Its time for another #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:33 visiting_nurse: Heather here - home health, hospice and community based care interests. Happy Friday! Glad2 c the sun n DC today. #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:33 rnchat: I am @EllenRichter filling in for our star moderator @philbaumann & I'm looking forward to this hour~ #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:34 rnchat: You can join our chat by signing into websites like tweetchat or tweetgrid or use twitter search page. Use hashtag #RNchat & follow along! 5/21/2010 11:34 rnchat: #RNchat is a way for nurses (& all others in health care!) to meet, tweet & share feelings, thoughts, ideas~ We welcome silent lurkers! 5/21/2010 11:35 NursingCenter: RT @rnchat: Good afternoon Twitter #nurses & any other health care professional colleagues! Its time for another #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:35 rnchat: many of you already know the rules! :) Introduce yourselves & tell us in 140 or less what brings you here today! #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:36 NursingCenter: Hi Ellen! Glad to finally be back here for #rnchat! #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:36 rnchat: I'm Ellen, a critical care RN in south Florida & I own a consulting business dealing with medical litigation #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:37 rnchat: The topics will be labeled T1, T2, etc. Please remember to add topic label & hashtag #RNchat to ea tweet so we can track your responses! 5/21/2010 11:38 rnchat: Nice to see everyone! I like these chats because I love being a nurse!! I know, its very basic, but hey, its true! :) #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:39 NursingCenter: Lisa here... background as critical care RN & women's health NP. Now a consultant
  • 3. clinical editor for LWW #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:40 StressedFran: Haven't been to one in a while, I'm Tami, I'm an editor at HCPro in the nursing and patient safety markets. #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:40 rnchat: T1 We see more implantable defibrillators each year. How do we address turning it off during end-of-life palliative care? #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:40 rnchat: Wow, what a great group of nurses today! So happy you all joined! :) #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:41 rnchat: T1 (also) Must we now include deactivation of devices in the wording of Living Wills? #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:42 tactile: Going to repeat that.. I'm JoAnne a med surg RN in Denver. #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:42 TRUSTMobility: Richard of TRUSTMobility, we're Safe Patient Handling Specialists & enjoy hearing you talk about your challenges helping us help you #RNCHat 5/21/2010 11:43 DebErupts: Deb RN, JD here. It should be addressed in the living will. #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:44 visiting_nurse: RT @Visiting_Nurse: @rnchat T1 oh great ? did not think about it from that aspect, but would be gr8 proactive measure #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:44 tactile: T1 I agree it needs to be addressed in the living will, well ahead of time when possible. I suggest everyone needs a living will. #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:45 rnchat: T1 For those who may not know, implantable defibrillators shock for lethal heart rhythms. In hospice or DNR pts, these rhythms occur #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:46 rnchat: T1 Yes, @DebErupts I agree w/ living will statement. I think we need to present this issue to all ICD patients after surgery! #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:47 onlinenursing: Hey guys! Terri here, popping in between patients to check on #RNChat -NP, RN, educator. T1- interesting topic! 5/21/2010 11:47 DebErupts: There is a time when the ICD no longer offers the prospect of increased survival and the ICD impedes active dying. #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:48 andyatFAD: Agree with @DebErupts. Should be part of will. (This is Andy, former crit care RN, now acq ed at FA Davis.) #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:49 rnchat: T1 Have any hospice professionals seen a dying pt get multiple shocks from an active
  • 4. device? It does occur--we need to end that. #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:49 NursingCenter: T1 Tough question-better to address before pt is critically or terminally ill. After placement is great idea. Even pre-op? #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:49 DebErupts: Agree, the best time to discuss is in the beginning of ICD placement #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:50 KPNurseRecruit: I'm joining the #RNChat for a bit this morning. Nurse Recruiter at Kaiser Permanente. Good morning (or afternoon) everyone! 5/21/2010 11:50 ONSmark: @IVchat I just realized we overlapped with #RNchat today! So many chats, not enough time :) #ivchat 5/21/2010 11:50 rnchat: T1 Not only is an activated firing implantable defibrillator an ethical DRN issue--also a pain issue that may not be easily stopped #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:51 visiting_nurse: @NursingCenter T1 #rnchat I wonder if preop dialogue would chng the minds of some? terminal CAD vs other condition? when do u draw the line? 5/21/2010 11:52 KPNurseRecruit: RT @rnchat: You can join our chat by signing into websites like tweetchat or tweetgrid or use twitter search page. Use hashtag #RNchat & follow along! 5/21/2010 11:52 andyatFAD: T1 Agree with @rnchat. How do we ethically shut off an ICD in terminally ill but not imminently dying pt? #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:53 IVchat: ik, will not do that again.RT @ONSmark: @IVchat I just realized we overlapped with #RNchat today! So many chats, not enough time :) #IVchat 5/21/2010 11:53 rnchat: T1 Had a patient last year who underwent surgery for ICD, then deactivated it 3 months later to enter hospice. Is this an issue too? #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:53 visiting_nurse: RT @TeriRN: @Visiting_Nurse No P&P yet Had 1st case last wk Talked in team, talked w/fam then had Defib Co go 2 home 2 shut off #RNChat 5/21/2010 11:54 DebErupts: What about DNR orders? Do ICDs provide resuscitation or do they merely manage arrhythmias, should remain operational? #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:54 InfusionNurse: @ONSmark ..thanks for joining us, I know #RNchat is going on 2.. will try not to overlap again next time w/ #RNchat #IVchat 5/21/2010 11:55 rnchat: Thanks to @Visiting_Nurse for sharing a link to this great article to read on the topic http://bit.ly/arp8vv #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:55
  • 5. IVchat: Out of respect for #RNchat, we will wrap up our #IVchat today. Thanks everyone for joining. Next #IVchat June 1 at 1200 ET. #IVchat 5/21/2010 11:56 rnchat: @VascularAccess #RNchat is a way for nurses (& all others in health care!) to meet, tweet & share feelings, thoughts, ideas~ Join in! 5/21/2010 11:56 KPNurseRecruit: RT @RNChat T1 We see more implantable defibrillators each year. How do we address turning it off during end-of-life palliative care? #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:57 rnchat: @IVchat Oh dear!! I had no idea!! No, we wont compete for times again!! Yikes~ Its also #ivchat #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:57 visiting_nurse: T1 pacemaker is not a resuscitative device & may enhance quality of life there4, pacemakers r not routinely considrd 4 deactivation #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:58 tersenurse: #rnchat sorry im late Logan here, BSN, new burn unit RN 5/21/2010 11:58 rnchat: @DebErupts T1 Think it would be physically hard to watch end-of-lifer die of ventricular fibrillation while getting numerous shocks #RNchat 5/21/2010 11:58 visiting_nurse: T1 previous tweet from sample policy regarding ICD deactivation and hospice pt. #rnchat 5/21/2010 11:59 KPNurseRecruit: RT @DebErupts Deb RN, JD here. It should be addressed in the living will. #RNchat T1 5/21/2010 11:59 IVchat: @vascularaccess @ONSmark and all others lurking..thanks! See u next time. Please join #RNChat now in progress.. #IVchat 5/21/2010 11:59 visiting_nurse: T1 "defibrillation can result in physical discomfort and psychological stress during the dying process" #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:01 NursingCenter: @rnchat You're right - sounds horrible #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:02 rnchat: My friend @Pallimed has wonderful blog for T1: Implantable Cardiac Defibrillators- Hospice Role in Deactivation? http://j.mp/c4Rqze #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:02 visiting_nurse: T1 and so the poluicy was developed to address those issues #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:02 tersenurse: #rnchat @visiting_nurse that surprises me. how can we say it's not resucitative device? fixing a lethal issue, isn't that the def of resuc? 5/21/2010 12:02 rnchat: Agree >> RT @visiting_nurse: T1 "defibrillation can result in physical discomfort and psychological stress during the dying process" #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:03
  • 6. rnchat: OK 2 more minutes & onward to topic 2, folks! Thanks for all your participation so far! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:04 KPNurseRecruit: RT @rnchat: My friend @Pallimed has wonderful blog for T1: Implantable Cardiac Defibrillators- Hospice Role in Deactivation? http://j.mp/c4Rqze #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:04 NursingCenter: @tersenurse maybe not 'resuscitative' but it is 'life-sustaining' #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:05 rnchat: T1 To clear up issue: a defibrillator is resuscitative aid by sending heart electric shocks, pacemaker does not provide that current #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:06 NursingCenter: @rnchat Thank you Ellen! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:07 DebErupts: ICDs represent another new life-extending technology,which examination of its ethical implications lags behind its use. Written P&P! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:07 philbaumann: Plz Share: Anyone interested helping to start #PTSDchat for anyone w/PTSD - veterans, victims, etc.? LMKnow #RNchat #hcsm 5/21/2010 12:07 rnchat: T1 Main goal is to bring heightened awareness to the public about the additional steps needed for end-of-life care when you have ICD #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:07 NursingCenter: RT @rnchat Main goal is bring heightened awareness to public about additional steps needed for end-of-life care when you have ICD #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:08 rnchat: T2 We spent so much time writing Nursing Care Plans in school. How do they help your nursing care in the "real world"? #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:08 tersenurse: @NursingCenter T1do u think we should modify DNRs 2 include some life sustaining acts? not suggesting we remove all comfort measures #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:09 visiting_nurse: YES RT @rnchat: T1 Main goal is 2 bring awareness 2 the public about the additional steps needed 4 end-of-life care when u have ICD #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:09 KPNurseRecruit: RT @rnchat: T2 We spent so much time writing Nursing Care Plans in school. How do they help your nursing care in the "real world"? #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:09 tactile: T2 Care plans are a pain in my ass & I admit, I only do them because they are part of "minimal documentation." I don't see a benefit #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:11 rnchat: T2 Does the Nursing Care Plan you use at work help to guide your nursing care or is it an additional task to complete each day? #RNchat
  • 7. 5/21/2010 12:11 AmandaChanguris:RT @PhilBaumann: Plz Share: Anyone interested helping to start #PTSDchat for anyone w/PTSD - veterans, victims, etc.? LMKnow #RNchat #hcsm 5/21/2010 12:11 visiting_nurse: T2 LOL never can seem 2 get the team to look or follow them. just another task 4 some w/ no meaning. I happen 2 find value in them #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:11 tactile: T2 I love that the EMR has made it easier to document care plans, but really, I have not seen care change because of them. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:12 rnchat: @visiting_nurse T2 I like that you find value in NCPs. How do they help your day? #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:12 tersenurse: agree> @tactile T2 Care plans R a pain in my ass&I admit, I only do them because they are part of "minimal doc." don't see a benefit #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:12 NursingCenter: @tersenurse T1 not sure...DNR planning must inc. awareness of ICD presence and its implications at end of life #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:13 visiting_nurse: T2 I am a very process oriented person. I prefer NCP that are more pathway in nature 2 show progress of the pt. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:13 NursingCenter: T2 As much as I disliked care plans, must admit that actually doing them got me thinking about other interventions/care for my pts! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:14 DebErupts: Like Clinical Pathways! Structured plans of care designed to support the implementation of clinical guidelines and protocols. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:15 tactile: @NursingCenter T2 I think a good question would be how do we get all nurses to enact the interventions on the care plan? #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:15 visiting_nurse: T2 also 2 c quickly if nw interventions r needed if they r not meeting the goals. will admit there has 2 b a better way to cr8 them #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:16 tactile: T2 Care plans only work if we are actually doing the interventions they suggest. Doesn't help if we aren't walking the talk. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:16 NursingCenter: @tactile Yes! Ours always got buried in the paperwork... With electronic records, where are the care plans? #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:17 rnchat: @tactile T2 Many times our nursing care IS what the NCP suggests, but we do it without thinking about those specific NCP problems #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:17
  • 8. BillCody: RT @rnchat: My friend @Pallimed has wonderful blog for T1: Implantable Cardiac Defibrillators- Hospice Role in Deactivation? http://j.mp/c4Rqze #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:17 tactile: @NursingCenter t2 that is easy, the care plan is under the care plan button. The CP is easier to find. Also, LOL CP also = care plan #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:17 DebErupts: Clinical pathways are practical and make more sense in the clinical setting. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:18 rnchat: @NursingCenter T2 Most EMRs incorporate the nursing care plan into an Multidisciplinary Educational Record used by many depts #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:18 visiting_nurse: T2 and to answer the ? what is more effectv NCP vs protocol vs pathway & still incorporate current EBP customizd 2 pt. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:18 tactile: @rnchat T2 True, but I also see pts at hi risk for complications with NO interventions actually happening. That is frustrating. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:18 nursingpins: T2 - Care planes are the best for teaching - but I think the Structured plans of care are the future as per @DebErupts #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:19 tactile: @rnchat T2 If we are truly going to follow the careplan, we need to find a way to remove barriers to interventions. Again.. TIME. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:19 rnchat: @DebErupts T2 Clinical pathways are great care guidelines but they are based on medical-driven diagnoses, not nursing diagnoses #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:19 KPNurseRecruit: RT @NursingCenter: T2 As much as I disliked care plans, must admit that actually doing them got me thinking about other interventions/care for my pts! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:20 andyatFAD: @nursingpins Pardon my ignorance but what are structured care plans? #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:21 rnchat: @tactile T2 True!! TIME is always a factor in delivering great nursing care! So many nursing diagnoses, so little time! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:21 KPNurseRecruit: RT @tactile: T2 Care plans only work if we are actually doing the interventions they suggest. Doesn't help if we aren't walking the talk. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:21 tersenurse: T2 #rnchat I'm all about chcklists 2 benefit our pts bt i c CP as something that ends up taking time away from the bedside, w/ no benefit 5/21/2010 12:21 rnchat: T2 Funny about nursing care plans & litigation: Its usually one of the first documents an attorney scrutinizes! Keep that in mind! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:21
  • 9. DebErupts: Clinical Pathways can be multidisciplinary and have a focus on the quality and co- ordination of care. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:22 tactile: @tersenurse T2 Exactly. It takes 45min to an hour to do all my care plans. JUST THE CARE PLANS. There are better things to do. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:23 andyatFAD: @DebErupts Thnx! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:23 DebErupts: As an nurse attorney, the care plan is not my first focus. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:23 andyatFAD: RT @DebErupts: Clinical Pathways can be multidisciplinary and have a focus on the quality and co-ordination of care.~Until the trial #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:24 tersenurse: #rnchat t2 its difficult to make something simple and beneficial, while keeping it quick and easy to use. anyone read checklist manifesto? 5/21/2010 12:24 tactile: T2 I also think we need to address the issue of Care Plans causing duplicate documentation. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:24 rnchat: RT @tactile: T2 Care plans only work if we are actually doing the interventions they suggest. Doesn't help if we aren't walking the talk. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:24 tersenurse: #rnchat t2 i doubt we can convince Atul Gawande to reformat nursing careplans.... 5/21/2010 12:25 andyatFAD: RT @tactile: @tersenurse T2 It takes 45min to an hour to do all my care plans. There are better things to do.~Until the trial #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:26 visiting_nurse: T2 but NCPs r part our training & discipline. what value do we provide if we are action oriented vs thinking & planning? #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:26 tersenurse: @tactile t2 #rnchat oh my god I know, plus frequently EMRs don't make it easy to modify and update when a CP is no longer needed 5/21/2010 12:26 tactile: @andyatFAD T2 If I'm actually walking the pt, assessing pain, getting the specialty bed, pushing the IS, there won't be a trial. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:26 tersenurse: @Visiting_Nurse t2 #rnchat I don't know about you but it is a struggle and i try to multitask and do both, sometimes i fail. 5/21/2010 12:27 DebErupts: I hate nursing care plans. After 30 years as a nurse, I dread them. I want to throw-up thinking about them. There I finally said it. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:27
  • 10. tactile: RT @DebErupts: I hate nursing care plans. After 30 years as a nurse, I dread them. I want to throw-up thinking about them. There I finally said it. #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:28 tactile: @DebErupts #RNchat I am so proud of you!!! 5/21/2010 12:29 rnchat: T2 Great to hear everyone's thoughts abt the validity of Nursing Care Plans in our daily pt care agendas. Its a chore to most RNs #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:29 tactile: @andyatFAD T2 In addition, my interventions are already documented in the doc flow sheet & note. Care plan makes it triple charting. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:31 rnchat: T2 I agree with everyone who feels that there is value in NCPs but there must be a better way to merge the process with the care #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:31 rnchat: LOL with both of you! :) RT @tactile: @DebErupts #RNchat I am so proud of you!!! 5/21/2010 12:31 NursingCenter: I've got to run~ it's been great chatting with you all! Thank you @EllenRichter! Have a good weekend everyone! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:32 tactile: @rnchat Exactly, why can't we check off the pieces of the care plan we already have to write in our progress note?? #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:32 rnchat: Just about time to wrap up this TGIF edition of #RNchat ~It has been fun filling in for @philbaumann & I'm so glad you all joined! 5/21/2010 12:33 tactile: @rnchat Ellen, you always do such a great job hosting #rnchat!!! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:34 andyatFAD: @tactile Good point! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:34 tersenurse: RT @tactile: @rnchat Ellen, you always do such a great job hosting #rnchat!!! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:34 tactile: Would just like to ask for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me next week. Our facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:34 rnchat: Please watch for tweets linking to today's transcript! There are always comments I find that I missed totally! Cant wait to read! :) #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:34 visiting_nurse: Thanks Ellen. Thank you the #rnchat participants. Until next time, have a gr8 weekend:-) 5/21/2010 12:35 rnchat: Thanks for the sweet tweets, folks! I love doing these chats! They are really a great way to expand the brain & share with others! #RNchat 5/21/2010 12:35
  • 11. derekrudnak: RT @PhilBaumann: Plz Share: Anyone interested helping to start #PTSDchat for anyone w/PTSD - veterans, victims, etc.? LMKnow #RNchat #hcsm 5/21/2010 12:36 EllenRichter: RT @tactile: Would just like to ask for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me next week. Our facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:36 tactile: @tersenurse Thank you. I SHOULD be okay, b/c I have a superior review, still do skin and wound, & I update my care plans! #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:37 EllenRichter: Woo hoo! Thanks so much to all of the participants of today's #RNchat ~You made my job of moderator SO EASY!! Great chat!! xoxo TTYL! 5/21/2010 12:37 tactile: @philbaumann I'd like to suggest a topic for #RNchat.. the EMR is making dup, trip, & quadruplicate charting more common. How can we link? 5/21/2010 12:39 visiting_nurse: @tersenurse T2 I hear ya. I took no pleasure n updating plans of care for home health in my home becuz I had no time in ofc/pt. home #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:40 DianeSieg: RT @EllenRichter @tactile Asking for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me. Our facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:40 KPNurseRecruit: @RNchat I ditto @Visiting_Nurse! Great job Ellen, interesting discussion, diverse participants on #RNChat today. Have a great weekend! 5/21/2010 12:41 visiting_nurse: @tersenurse T1 difrnc btwn Many curr ICDs combine the functions of pacing & defibrillation - pacing vs defibrillator is the & use? #rnchat 5/21/2010 12:47 mikerosenberg9: RT @tactile: @philbaumann I'd like to suggest a topic for #RNchat.. the EMR is making dup, trip, & quadruplicate charting more common. How can we link? 5/21/2010 12:51 philbaumann: @tactile Excellent topic to discuss on #RNchat - I'll put that on the list! Thanks! 5/21/2010 13:10 LindsayMBurke: Ugh! Missed the @RNchat today while I was inflight! I hope all you #RNchat 'ers had a great time? 5/21/2010 13:19 NursingCenter: RT @tactile: Would just like to ask for good thoughts and maybe prayers for me next week. Our facility is going to lay off RNs. I'm stressed. #rnchat 5/21/2010 13:49 NursingCenter: @RNchat @EllenRichter want to share this article from AACN Advanced Critical Care re: ICDs #RNchat http://bit.ly/bvsqAj 5/21/2010 13:52 pedagogymedical: RT @NursingCenter: @RNchat @EllenRichter want to share this article from AACN Advanced Critical Care re: ICDs #RNchat http://bit.ly/bvsqAj 5/21/2010 13:53
  • 12. EllenRichter: @Pallimed I hope you dont mind I referred our #RNchat readers to your blog on defibrillator deactivation in hospice http://j.mp/c4Rqze 5/21/2010 14:00 EllenRichter: @rvabusiness Hi there! Just curious...whats your link to #RNchat ~I see you RT'd our start time today! Did you join us? :) 5/21/2010 14:08