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INTERVIEWING CHILD
VICTIMS OF CRIME

Wezet
Botes
19 June
2013
VICTIM, VICTIMOLOGY, VICTI
MIZATION
Victim: Individuals who experience loss, injury, or hardship
for any reason crime victim- definition experienced as a
result of crime
Victimology: “Scientific study of physical, emotional, and
financial harm people suffer because of illegal activities.”
Victimization: “Is an asymmetrical interpersonal relationship
that is abusive, painful, destructive, parasitical, and unfair.”
Child: A person under the age of 18 years
WHY INTERVIEW THE CHILD
To be able to safeguard the child- effect a safety plan
Determine what services are needed to support the
child
To determine the type and extent of the crime for
prosecution, court and sentencing purposes
Prevent the offender from reoffending
WHAT VIEWPOINT IS MOST
USEFUL?
Subjective Approach
Issues are approached from standpoint of
morality, ethics, philosophy, personalized
reactions, and emotions- victimism
Objective Approach
Requires observer to be fair, openminded, evenhanded, dispassionate, neutral, and
unbiased-victimology
MIND-SPACE FOR WORKING
WITH CHILDREN
The core concepts of interviewing children:
The best interest of the child guides the
intervention
Creating a comfortable environment,
Taking language development into account,

Maintaining cultural awareness
Be sensitive for developmental considerations
TALKING TO CHILDREN IS
DIFFERENT
Keen observers
Cant express themselves the same way
as adults
Play rather than talking
Play is preparation for life
Children play to make sense of their world
Children play to experiment
Children play to process their own
experiences
Play is not a waste of time
REQUIREMENTS FOR
PRACTITIONERS

Interest in children
Fun loving and able to operate on a
child‟s level
Previous counselling interviewing
experience
Willingness to learn and read
Be willing to work within the
boundaries- will also work with
parents/ role players
Receive supervision or is linked with
an accountability structure.
EQUIPMENT
REQUIRED

Warm and open (smile)
Safe and welcoming space
Dress comfortably

Basic kit = wax
crayons, pencil, eraser blank
paper, farm animals/ wild animals
Expansive kit
=Clay, crayons, paint –art media
APPROACHING
THE CHILD
Non-directive, direct approaches activate defence
mechanisms
Non threatening
Non-judgemental, not the parent
Non- prescriptive, be aware of own paradigms
„Not knowing‟ inquisitive
Limited and appropriate touch
Accommodating, toilet brakes, food, tiredness
Open and warm- respectful
Engaging
FROM A CHILD‟S
POINT OF VIEW
Everyone even children interpret the world through
their own experiences
Children‟s experiences are limited

They will draw talk and explain things in a way that
make sense in their world
Your job is to put yourself into the shoes of the child
and see it from their view
Be very sensitive to power positions and manipulation
tactics
UNDERSTANDING THE
CHILD‟S NARRATIVE
 Children don‟t like to talk only, use different ways to
communicate
 What is the referral what are the facts and what id
the child’s perspective?
 What is the self report of the child?
 What verbal/ non-verbal information that the child
has given seems to be the dominant theme?
 What does the family say?
 Is the behaviour of the child in line with what the
general picture is from the child‟s perspective and
from the families' perspective
THE CHILD AS A
CLIENT
Child needs to know the parameters
of the session
Rules of the interview
Why are they there, what will they
do
Address confidentiality, who gets to
keep the drawings /session products
Explain when you have to tell
someone else
Consent to give feedback to parents
DISCUSSION
What do you think is important rules and
limits when working with children?
What accountability structures are
available to you?
How would you approach confidentiality
with a child?
How does interviewing a child differ from
interviewing an adult?
What skills /attitude should a interviewer
have when working with children?
SPHERES OF THE
CHILD‟S LIFE
Impact of
crime/trauma

Impact of
crime/trauma

Impact of
crime/trauma
TRAUMA
Specific traumatic experiences have a direct
impact on child's view of self, family and
world
Interviewer should be able to identifying
and refer traumatised children to resources
in community
The child‟s general functioning and school
performance are negatively impacted by
trauma
The ‘when’ and ‘how’ trauma should be
addressed within a therapeutic environment
Listen and take notes – refer don‟t
TECHNIQUE
Trauma interview******
Directive: tell/ draw a picture of what
happened to you
Equipment: paper coloured paint/
crayons / pencils, age appropriate forensic
media
Engagement: tell me what happened to
you from the beginning. Tell me all you
could remember about x (senses). What
did you think? What did you feel? What do
you think feel about it now?
FORENSIC INTERVIEWING
INTRODUCTION
Dealing with the narrative of crime/abuse can be very
daunting
What is the need for a narrative in Court investigations?
May be asked to give a report to the court in the criminal
investigation
The interviewer could be subpoenaed to testify about the
disclosure of the child
Disclosure of the child may be important to establish the
charge sheet, building the prosecution‟s case, NB safety of
the child
CONTEXT
Children are more likely to give false negatives than
false positives
It takes tremendous courage of a child to give a
narrative of events where they risk significant losses
The reaction the child gets when reporting would
determine if the chid will risk telling all that happened to
them
Stay objective but take any reports seriously
Be supportive of the child‟s courage to tell
ROLE PLAYERS
The child self- child participation in the process
Parents parents always the parents! Primary care givers
Police – reporting of crime, taking of
statements, investigating, compiling a Court docket
Forensic interviewer- getting the child‟s statements
Social worker - Children‟s Court and family support
Psychologist – therapy (play, family therapy)
CASE STUDY
John (8) lives on the same property as Tom (12) in a ZoZo that his
father and stepmom is renting from Tom‟s foster mother
John is small for a 8 year old with possible alcohol syndrome he
seems to be intellectually delayed

Tom is in a special school and has reached puberty, he is physically
strong
Tom has been repeatedly raping John for the past 6 months and John
has told his step mother about one incident after she saw blood in his
underwear
John and Tom are interviewed separately to determine what happened
and what was the extent of the alleged rape
John is significantly traumatized and Tom denies that he has ever hurt
PROCESS OF DISCLOSURE
Is disclosure a single event or a process of
disclosure?
Research: 5% of disclosures are done in a
single event 95% follows a process of gradual
disclosure
Follows 4 phases:
denial, disclosure, recanting, confirmation
Sorenson & Snow
1 DISCLOSURE
? Which process did John follow to disclose
Tentative

Active

Child test the waters
May be accidental

Full disclosure/ may be
accidental
spontaneous/graduation

Partial disclosure “once”

Specific incident is described
with emotion

Vague- child may not remember Child is empowered to give
all the detail
disclosure- maternal support
Minimise incident to make it
more acceptable

Sensory information given

May not seem convincing

May disclose perpetrator as well
2 DENIAL
Reasons the child may deny that abuse took place:
Child is scared of parents reaction
Child is scared of the perpetrator
Child may not know that what happened is abuse VO
Grooming of the child was successful- normalised or threatened
Child understand the risk of losses after disclosure i.e. income
MS
Over identification with the abuser- protect
? What are possible hypotheses for Tom‟s denial?
3 RECANTING/ MINIMISING
What: try to pull back from disclosure
Reaction and consequences of disclosure were
unfavourable- VO
Fear of court proceedings and police involvement
Threats of the perpetrator
Insufficient support from family especially mother Helga
Child abuse accommodation syndrome USA girl
? Tom admitted to hitting but not to rape - why how willyou
manage this?
4 CONFIRMATION
Child confirms abuse when they experience safety and secure
attachment i.e. Place of Safety KZN
Active disclosure and child is also more capable (i.e. older) to
testify/language capacity
Perpetrator is no longer an active threat
Through therapy and support the child can be helped.
John freely spoke about the abuse once he was in a place of
Safety? What differences wold there be in the interview if a child is
still in danger
DEVELOPMENTAL
CONSIDERATIONS
Pre-schoolers 3-7
Cues /spontaneous/ behavioural
Younger than 3 language development evidence and medical
examination
Not mastered telling time/ days of the week and words describing time
Cant count number of incidents
Trouble with sequencing
Use short simple questions
Concrete words and use words familiar to the child (rape)
DEVELOPMENTAL
CONSIDERATIONS
Middle childhood 7-12yrs
Under 10 trouble with chronology of events
Ask child to link day of crime to other events e.g. I
played netball/ seasons day/night
More detail of number of times especially if asked to
draw different incidents

More context and detail in disclosures with better grasp
and use of language
DEVELOPMENTAL
CONSIDERATIONS
Teenagers:
Abstract thinking starts to develop
Black/white thinking still prevalent
Law deals with teenagers differently – expectations are
higer
Are they more/less likely to tell the truth?

Does grooming play a bigger/smaller role in teenage years?
What is the ages of consent for teens?
PITFALLS
Giving detail of disclosure to parents too early in process
Don‟t know who the perpetrator is- stay objective and
questioning suspicious

Retelling over and over again can contaminate information –
over assessment
Acting before sufficient information is obtained

Not considering the developmental needs of child
THE FREE NARRATIVE
Previously believed that abuse can only be confirmed if
the chid gives the same information using various
techniques i.e. anatomically correct dolls and drawings
and the ideal house
Techniques have undergone a lot of criticism and current
consensus is to use them only after verbal disclosure
Goal: for the interviewer to get enough information to 1)
effect a safety plan 2) gather information for court
Take process into consideration- child may need a few
interviews after the first one to get a full disclosure
THE INTRODUCTION
Orientate the child what you are going to do

Inform of interviewer‟s job description and role
Does the child differentiate between the truth and a lie?
General conversation about day to day events

Make child comfortable with interview
Preliminary information on child‟s verbal skills, cognitive maturity
Convey goal of interview is for child to talk

See if child can enter into a narrative
Don’t make promises
ESTABLISHING GROUND
RULES
Tell real things that really happened
No guessing or make believe
Don‟t understand what I mean- ask me
Take your time in telling what happened
Correct me if I‟m wrong

I‟ll ask a lot of questions – doesn‟t mean I think that your answer was
wrong
I may not understand so well and ask you to tell me more about what
happened

Create boundaries for the interview
Create a safe environment for the child to tell you what happened
INTRODUCING THE TOPIC
Least suggestive prompt: “Now that I know you better we can talk
about some thing else. Do you know why you are here today?”
“I understand that there are some problems in your family- tell me
about them.”
Avoid words such as bad, hurt, abuse or other interpretive words
Shift the topic of conversation to the alleged incident/s
Invitation to talk about the allegations

No direct questions- RS show that a direct question is likely to get a
positive answer irrespective of what happened
FREE NARRATIVE
After the topic is introduced the interviewer ask an open ended
question- narrative description of event Open ended questions
“Tell me everything you can about that.”
“Tell me from the very beginning to the end.”
Goal: get most detailed description of what happened.
No leading questions.
Age appropriate Q‟s
No double negatives.
No double barrel Q‟s
Keep it short & simple
QUESTIONING AND
CLARIFICATION
After finishing the free narrative is established follow
up with more focussed questions
Determine if it was a single or multiple events

Description of the crime scene
Clarification of information
Was there multiple perpetrators?

Keep the when what where who detail in mind and
add focussed questions later on to gather the needed
information
CLOSURE
“Is there some thing else you want to talk about?” Exit
the abuse focussed narrative if sufficient description of
event is obtained or if child does not give any more
information
Thank the child and if asked discuss the road ahead
Talk about a neutral topic to ease child‟s tension
Restore equilibrium to child.
Reconnect to neutral events.
SUMMERY
Be at ease in the interview
Take it slowly
The best interest of the child is paramount
Be the guardian of the child's trust
Keep very good notes of everything said
Work in a team- try not to make decisions on your own
Look after yourself

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Interviewing child victims of crime

  • 1. INTERVIEWING CHILD VICTIMS OF CRIME Wezet Botes 19 June 2013
  • 2. VICTIM, VICTIMOLOGY, VICTI MIZATION Victim: Individuals who experience loss, injury, or hardship for any reason crime victim- definition experienced as a result of crime Victimology: “Scientific study of physical, emotional, and financial harm people suffer because of illegal activities.” Victimization: “Is an asymmetrical interpersonal relationship that is abusive, painful, destructive, parasitical, and unfair.” Child: A person under the age of 18 years
  • 3. WHY INTERVIEW THE CHILD To be able to safeguard the child- effect a safety plan Determine what services are needed to support the child To determine the type and extent of the crime for prosecution, court and sentencing purposes Prevent the offender from reoffending
  • 4. WHAT VIEWPOINT IS MOST USEFUL? Subjective Approach Issues are approached from standpoint of morality, ethics, philosophy, personalized reactions, and emotions- victimism Objective Approach Requires observer to be fair, openminded, evenhanded, dispassionate, neutral, and unbiased-victimology
  • 5. MIND-SPACE FOR WORKING WITH CHILDREN The core concepts of interviewing children: The best interest of the child guides the intervention Creating a comfortable environment, Taking language development into account, Maintaining cultural awareness Be sensitive for developmental considerations
  • 6. TALKING TO CHILDREN IS DIFFERENT Keen observers Cant express themselves the same way as adults Play rather than talking Play is preparation for life Children play to make sense of their world Children play to experiment Children play to process their own experiences Play is not a waste of time
  • 7. REQUIREMENTS FOR PRACTITIONERS Interest in children Fun loving and able to operate on a child‟s level Previous counselling interviewing experience Willingness to learn and read Be willing to work within the boundaries- will also work with parents/ role players Receive supervision or is linked with an accountability structure.
  • 8. EQUIPMENT REQUIRED Warm and open (smile) Safe and welcoming space Dress comfortably Basic kit = wax crayons, pencil, eraser blank paper, farm animals/ wild animals Expansive kit =Clay, crayons, paint –art media
  • 9. APPROACHING THE CHILD Non-directive, direct approaches activate defence mechanisms Non threatening Non-judgemental, not the parent Non- prescriptive, be aware of own paradigms „Not knowing‟ inquisitive Limited and appropriate touch Accommodating, toilet brakes, food, tiredness Open and warm- respectful Engaging
  • 10. FROM A CHILD‟S POINT OF VIEW Everyone even children interpret the world through their own experiences Children‟s experiences are limited They will draw talk and explain things in a way that make sense in their world Your job is to put yourself into the shoes of the child and see it from their view Be very sensitive to power positions and manipulation tactics
  • 11. UNDERSTANDING THE CHILD‟S NARRATIVE  Children don‟t like to talk only, use different ways to communicate  What is the referral what are the facts and what id the child’s perspective?  What is the self report of the child?  What verbal/ non-verbal information that the child has given seems to be the dominant theme?  What does the family say?  Is the behaviour of the child in line with what the general picture is from the child‟s perspective and from the families' perspective
  • 12. THE CHILD AS A CLIENT Child needs to know the parameters of the session Rules of the interview Why are they there, what will they do Address confidentiality, who gets to keep the drawings /session products Explain when you have to tell someone else Consent to give feedback to parents
  • 13. DISCUSSION What do you think is important rules and limits when working with children? What accountability structures are available to you? How would you approach confidentiality with a child? How does interviewing a child differ from interviewing an adult? What skills /attitude should a interviewer have when working with children?
  • 14. SPHERES OF THE CHILD‟S LIFE Impact of crime/trauma Impact of crime/trauma Impact of crime/trauma
  • 15. TRAUMA Specific traumatic experiences have a direct impact on child's view of self, family and world Interviewer should be able to identifying and refer traumatised children to resources in community The child‟s general functioning and school performance are negatively impacted by trauma The ‘when’ and ‘how’ trauma should be addressed within a therapeutic environment Listen and take notes – refer don‟t
  • 16. TECHNIQUE Trauma interview****** Directive: tell/ draw a picture of what happened to you Equipment: paper coloured paint/ crayons / pencils, age appropriate forensic media Engagement: tell me what happened to you from the beginning. Tell me all you could remember about x (senses). What did you think? What did you feel? What do you think feel about it now?
  • 17. FORENSIC INTERVIEWING INTRODUCTION Dealing with the narrative of crime/abuse can be very daunting What is the need for a narrative in Court investigations? May be asked to give a report to the court in the criminal investigation The interviewer could be subpoenaed to testify about the disclosure of the child Disclosure of the child may be important to establish the charge sheet, building the prosecution‟s case, NB safety of the child
  • 18. CONTEXT Children are more likely to give false negatives than false positives It takes tremendous courage of a child to give a narrative of events where they risk significant losses The reaction the child gets when reporting would determine if the chid will risk telling all that happened to them Stay objective but take any reports seriously Be supportive of the child‟s courage to tell
  • 19. ROLE PLAYERS The child self- child participation in the process Parents parents always the parents! Primary care givers Police – reporting of crime, taking of statements, investigating, compiling a Court docket Forensic interviewer- getting the child‟s statements Social worker - Children‟s Court and family support Psychologist – therapy (play, family therapy)
  • 20. CASE STUDY John (8) lives on the same property as Tom (12) in a ZoZo that his father and stepmom is renting from Tom‟s foster mother John is small for a 8 year old with possible alcohol syndrome he seems to be intellectually delayed Tom is in a special school and has reached puberty, he is physically strong Tom has been repeatedly raping John for the past 6 months and John has told his step mother about one incident after she saw blood in his underwear John and Tom are interviewed separately to determine what happened and what was the extent of the alleged rape John is significantly traumatized and Tom denies that he has ever hurt
  • 21. PROCESS OF DISCLOSURE Is disclosure a single event or a process of disclosure? Research: 5% of disclosures are done in a single event 95% follows a process of gradual disclosure Follows 4 phases: denial, disclosure, recanting, confirmation Sorenson & Snow
  • 22. 1 DISCLOSURE ? Which process did John follow to disclose Tentative Active Child test the waters May be accidental Full disclosure/ may be accidental spontaneous/graduation Partial disclosure “once” Specific incident is described with emotion Vague- child may not remember Child is empowered to give all the detail disclosure- maternal support Minimise incident to make it more acceptable Sensory information given May not seem convincing May disclose perpetrator as well
  • 23. 2 DENIAL Reasons the child may deny that abuse took place: Child is scared of parents reaction Child is scared of the perpetrator Child may not know that what happened is abuse VO Grooming of the child was successful- normalised or threatened Child understand the risk of losses after disclosure i.e. income MS Over identification with the abuser- protect ? What are possible hypotheses for Tom‟s denial?
  • 24. 3 RECANTING/ MINIMISING What: try to pull back from disclosure Reaction and consequences of disclosure were unfavourable- VO Fear of court proceedings and police involvement Threats of the perpetrator Insufficient support from family especially mother Helga Child abuse accommodation syndrome USA girl ? Tom admitted to hitting but not to rape - why how willyou manage this?
  • 25. 4 CONFIRMATION Child confirms abuse when they experience safety and secure attachment i.e. Place of Safety KZN Active disclosure and child is also more capable (i.e. older) to testify/language capacity Perpetrator is no longer an active threat Through therapy and support the child can be helped. John freely spoke about the abuse once he was in a place of Safety? What differences wold there be in the interview if a child is still in danger
  • 26. DEVELOPMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS Pre-schoolers 3-7 Cues /spontaneous/ behavioural Younger than 3 language development evidence and medical examination Not mastered telling time/ days of the week and words describing time Cant count number of incidents Trouble with sequencing Use short simple questions Concrete words and use words familiar to the child (rape)
  • 27. DEVELOPMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS Middle childhood 7-12yrs Under 10 trouble with chronology of events Ask child to link day of crime to other events e.g. I played netball/ seasons day/night More detail of number of times especially if asked to draw different incidents More context and detail in disclosures with better grasp and use of language
  • 28. DEVELOPMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS Teenagers: Abstract thinking starts to develop Black/white thinking still prevalent Law deals with teenagers differently – expectations are higer Are they more/less likely to tell the truth? Does grooming play a bigger/smaller role in teenage years? What is the ages of consent for teens?
  • 29. PITFALLS Giving detail of disclosure to parents too early in process Don‟t know who the perpetrator is- stay objective and questioning suspicious Retelling over and over again can contaminate information – over assessment Acting before sufficient information is obtained Not considering the developmental needs of child
  • 30. THE FREE NARRATIVE Previously believed that abuse can only be confirmed if the chid gives the same information using various techniques i.e. anatomically correct dolls and drawings and the ideal house Techniques have undergone a lot of criticism and current consensus is to use them only after verbal disclosure Goal: for the interviewer to get enough information to 1) effect a safety plan 2) gather information for court Take process into consideration- child may need a few interviews after the first one to get a full disclosure
  • 31. THE INTRODUCTION Orientate the child what you are going to do Inform of interviewer‟s job description and role Does the child differentiate between the truth and a lie? General conversation about day to day events Make child comfortable with interview Preliminary information on child‟s verbal skills, cognitive maturity Convey goal of interview is for child to talk See if child can enter into a narrative Don’t make promises
  • 32. ESTABLISHING GROUND RULES Tell real things that really happened No guessing or make believe Don‟t understand what I mean- ask me Take your time in telling what happened Correct me if I‟m wrong I‟ll ask a lot of questions – doesn‟t mean I think that your answer was wrong I may not understand so well and ask you to tell me more about what happened Create boundaries for the interview Create a safe environment for the child to tell you what happened
  • 33. INTRODUCING THE TOPIC Least suggestive prompt: “Now that I know you better we can talk about some thing else. Do you know why you are here today?” “I understand that there are some problems in your family- tell me about them.” Avoid words such as bad, hurt, abuse or other interpretive words Shift the topic of conversation to the alleged incident/s Invitation to talk about the allegations No direct questions- RS show that a direct question is likely to get a positive answer irrespective of what happened
  • 34. FREE NARRATIVE After the topic is introduced the interviewer ask an open ended question- narrative description of event Open ended questions “Tell me everything you can about that.” “Tell me from the very beginning to the end.” Goal: get most detailed description of what happened. No leading questions. Age appropriate Q‟s No double negatives. No double barrel Q‟s Keep it short & simple
  • 35. QUESTIONING AND CLARIFICATION After finishing the free narrative is established follow up with more focussed questions Determine if it was a single or multiple events Description of the crime scene Clarification of information Was there multiple perpetrators? Keep the when what where who detail in mind and add focussed questions later on to gather the needed information
  • 36. CLOSURE “Is there some thing else you want to talk about?” Exit the abuse focussed narrative if sufficient description of event is obtained or if child does not give any more information Thank the child and if asked discuss the road ahead Talk about a neutral topic to ease child‟s tension Restore equilibrium to child. Reconnect to neutral events.
  • 37. SUMMERY Be at ease in the interview Take it slowly The best interest of the child is paramount Be the guardian of the child's trust Keep very good notes of everything said Work in a team- try not to make decisions on your own Look after yourself