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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SECOND CIRCUIT 
STATE OF HAWAII 
_____________________________ 
Alfonso Taal, et al., 
Plaintiffs, 
vs. 
Danny Mateo, et al., 
Defendants. 
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CIVIL NO: 14-1-0506(1) 
TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 
had before the Honorable Rhonda I.L. Loo, Circuit Court 
Judge presiding, on Monday, September 15, 2014. Motion to 
Dissolve; Motion to Intervene; Motion to Consolidate. 
APPEARANCES: 
Robert H. Thomas, Esq. Attorney for Plaintiffs 
Caleb Rowe, Esq. Attorney for Defendant 
Deputy Corporation Counsel Danny Mateo 
County of Maui 
Michael C. Carroll, Esq. Attorney for Intervenor 
Valerie Kunimoto, Esq. Attorney for Defendant 
Deputy Attorney General Scott Nago 
State of Hawaii 
REPORTED BY: Cammie Gillett 
Registered Professional Reporter 
Hawaii Certified Shorthand Reporter #438
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MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2014 
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THE CLERK: All rise. Courtroom Number One is 
reconvened. Judge Rhonda I.L. Loo presiding. Please be 
seated. 
Calling Civil Number 14-1-0506, Alfonso Taal versus 
Danny Mateo, et al., for one, Defendant County of Maui's motion 
to dissolve or, in the alternative, to modify order granting 
plaintiff's motion for temporary restraining order; and, two, 
applicants/movants Alika Atay, Laurin Pang, Mark Sheehan, 
Bonnie Marsh, Leiohu Ryder and SHAKA movement's motion to 
intervene and consolidate. 
THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. Appearances, 
please. 
MR. THOMAS: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Robert Thomas 
for the plaintiffs. 
THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. 
MR. ROWE: Good afternoon. Deputy Corporation Council 
Caleb Rowe on behalf of Defendant Dennis Mateo. 
THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. 
MR. CARROLL: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Michael 
Carroll and Sharon Lim appearing on behalf of the intervenors. 
THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. 
MS. KUNIMOTO: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Valerie 
Kunimoto, Deputy Attorney General, representing Scott Nago, the
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Chief Elections Officer. 
THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. 
I'd like to start with the second motion, regarding the 
intervention and consolidation. 
Mr. Carroll. 
MR. CARROLL: Yes, Your Honor. 
Your Honor, I represent the group of the petitioners 
that submitted this ballot initiative. We have a similar 
lawsuit that's pending in this courtroom that involves the same 
overlapping issues. We believe we're a necessary party. We 
believe we have a significant interest in the outcome of this 
case. And we believe that consolidation of these two matters 
makes sense in the judicial sense, as they involve the same 
ballot, the same facts, the same issues. So we would ask that 
we be permitted to intervene, and that the two matters be 
consolidated. Thank you. 
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. 
Mr. Rowe, any objection? 
MR. ROWE: We have no objection, Your Honor. 
THE COURT: Mr. Thomas. 
MR. THOMAS: Well, I don't think we have an objection. 
But I do want to point out, make it clear on the record that we 
haven't had a chance to look over the moving papers. I 
literally got them on the way out the door. They were dropped 
off this morning as I was heading out to the airport. So I'm
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at a bit of a loss. I think I understand what the issues must 
be. I think at this point, we'll take a no position on the 
motion. 
We'd be pointing out that there are some 
inconsistencies, I think, where they say they're aligned with 
us on some issues. Because I assume they're intervening as 
plaintiffs because it seems like everybody has a problem with 
the way that the ballot title or the way that the ballot 
language currently is. And there's some inconsistencies in a 
quick glance that I wasn't quite clear about, where they 
suggest that -- or they argue that they believe the ballot 
title couldn't be clearer, and yet they're challenging the 
ballot title, from what we can tell. 
So if we could clear that up, I would greatly 
appreciate that as to what their position actually is with 
respect to the words that are currently on the ballot, the 
three genetically engineered organisms, and whether they're 
challenging that or whether the statement that it could not be 
clearer is their position with respect to that. 
THE COURT: Mr. Carroll. 
MR. CARROLL: Your Honor, we are not challenging the 
title of the document, we are challenging provisions in the 
text. And we believe it could be clearer. And we filed a 
motion for preliminary injunction, and hopefully to obtain that 
relief.
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MR. THOMAS: And I think that contradicts their 
statements in their motions for TRO, and whatnot, that they 
want to reform the ballot title. So it sounds like they are 
actually challenging the ballot title because they want to add 
some words to it like we do. So maybe that's a fight we need 
to have in the course of this, as opposed to during the course 
of preliminary issues or procedure. But I just wanted to make 
that -- forgive me again if I'm operating at a little bit of a 
loss, but that's how we view it. 
THE COURT: Do you want me to give you a short recess 
so you can review the motion that they filed? 
MR. THOMAS: If it's your standard intervention 
motion -- I mean, this, to us, seems like one where we're not 
going to object too strongly because they are, after all, the 
committee that proposed the underlying ballot, let's say, or 
the underlying proposed initiative. So I don't think that's 
necessary. We won't take up any more of the Court's time than 
is necessary. 
THE COURT: And, I'm sorry, Ms. Kunimoto. Did you have 
a petition? 
MS. KUNIMOTO: We also haven't received the moving 
papers, but we take no position on it, Your Honor. Your Honor, 
but when there's, I guess, changes to the text of the ballot 
initiative, we get a little bit more -- 
THE COURT: If there are changes.
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MS. KUNIMOTO: If there are proposed, then we're a 
little bit more concerned because of the time it's going to 
take to translate the material. And I'm sure Your Honor is 
well aware of that. 
THE COURT: Okay. Anything else on this, Mr. Carroll? 
MR. CARROLL: No, Your Honor. 
THE COURT: All right. So the Court's inclined to go 
ahead and grant the motion to intervene. I'm a little 
concerned about the motion to consolidate, but I'd like to get 
through the motion to dissolve, and then I can answer further 
questions regarding whether I'm going to actually consolidate 
the matters for Wednesday. Okay? But for intervention is not 
a problem, you can argue today on the County's motion to 
dissolve. 
And I'll start, Mr. Rowe, on your motion, please. 
MR. ROWE: Thank you, Your Honor. We believe that our 
motion pretty much spoke for itself. I just wanted to make 
some comments in reference to the plaintiff's memorandum in 
opposition to our motion. 
First, they cited a lot of case law that's completely 
irrelevant to this. There's a whole section where he quotes a 
lot of cases from Oregon. Well, the Oregon cases were all 
determined under a statute which specifically provides what's 
supposed to be included in a ballot title. We have no such 
provisions in Hawaii. The only guidance that is given is in
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the Kahalekai case, which they also refer to, and that refers 
to ballot language as a whole. 
Several of their other cases that they cite, they do 
deal with the ballot questions, but they look at it in terms of 
biased. They don't look at it in terms of substance or whether 
or not there's sufficient information in it. The one that they 
cite where they were overturned, it was found there was bias. 
And they haven't claimed any bias in our ballot title. 
And further on that note, the case law that the 
plaintiffs have cited, they all really deal with the issue of 
language as a whole, all the language that's on the ballot 
regarding the measure. They don't specify the title versus a 
question. The purpose of the ballot title is so voters can go 
through and identify which question it is. They then can look 
at the summary. And that's where they get their information 
from. They have two separate purposes. And when the Courts, 
in both Kahalekai and 30 voters, which are cited by plaintiff, 
when they refer it, they look at the ballot language as a 
whole; they don't specify one or the other. 
And, you know, finally, we gave kind of some examples 
of what's being done in the State, what's being done on other 
ballot measures here in Maui, just kind of regarding what is 
done with ballot titles in this state. And I actually think 
that the case cited most prominently by the plaintiffs, 
Kahalekai is probably the most damning to their argument on
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this point. In Kahalekai, the Court reviewed several proposed 
amendments to the State constitution, as was Appendix B to that 
decision. They actually had copies of what was put before 
voters of what the ballot questions were. The Court reviewed 
them, and looking at them as a whole, found that they were 
adequate as far as their language. Some were invalidated for 
improper notice, but that's not relevant here. 
So the Hawaii Supreme Court has already reviewed nearly 
identical language and upheld it. I will just give you some 
examples. This is on Appendix B of that opinion. 
Question Number 2, independent grand jury counsel. 
Question Number 4, open primary election. Question 8, 
reapportionment procedures. Question 17, public health and 
welfare. Question 19, Board of Education. Question 21, 
university board of regents. 24, Land Management Agricultural 
Land. 27, Department of Hawaiian Homelands. Question 30, Code 
of Ethics. And Question 34, technical and style changes. 
So the Court -- the Supreme Court has already looked at 
the issue of ballot titles. And instead of focusing just on 
the titles, they looked at the language as a whole. If they 
had felt that, in fact, the language -- the title was supposed 
to stand on their own, they didn't mention it. And they 
specifically reviewed earlier constitutional amendments and 
said that those titles were sufficient when taken in the 
context. So the Court's in the State of Hawaii, nor any
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statute, ever make that differentiation that they want to make 
that the title standing by itself needs to be completely clear 
and needs to tell people exactly what it says and what they 
want to vote on. 
And further, I just wanted to say that the evidence 
that the plaintiffs are relying on is what they call evidence 
that only the ballot title is considered by the voters; a lot 
of times, they only consider that when they're looking at the 
ballot. That's completely irrelevant. The Court in Kahalekai 
specifically said that the voters themselves have a duty to 
educate them on the substance of ballot measures, and that that 
duty is non delegable. 
They also went on to say that they cannot and should 
not look into the motivations of why Hawaii voters vote a 
certain way; all that matters is that they were given 
sufficient information on the ballot. In Kahalekai, the Court 
upheld that it didn't matter if it's easier to vote yes or no 
on a proposed amendment, because courts should not consider 
voter motives in their way of voting. If voters voted one way 
simply because it was easier, that was not the Court's 
discretion. 
Similarly here, if the voters vote one way because they 
only read the ballot title, that is not for the Court to judge. 
The Court only needs to look at whether there was enough 
information on the ballot for voters to make an educated vote.
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And our argument is that here they did when that ballot title 
is taken in connection with everything else. 
And just as kind of a side note. The Court in 
Kahalekai mentioned there was a lot of press given to these 
constitutional amendments when it was discussing the 
responsibilities of voters to educate themselves. We're in an 
extremely similar situation. Both sides are putting out a lot 
of information. And in the information being put out there, it 
specifically says vote yes or vote no. If they are against the 
initiative, their advertisements specifically say vote no on 
that initiative. If they're in favor, the advertisement 
specifically says vote yes. So that should clear up -- their 
argument is they can look at it and not know which way to go. 
Well, there's another form of education by inundation of the 
airwaves with all this stuff. 
So really, our only issue is we were supposed to assure 
that voters have information that's unbiased and that does not 
mislead the voters, and the voters at the very least have the 
responsibility to read the very next sentence on the paper, 
which includes the ballot question which will clear up any 
questions that they might have. 
Another ground that they mention is the issue of 
timeliness. In their memorandum in opposition, they said that 
it appears that we stipulate that there's no legislative 
history. We, by no means, are stipulating that. Just for the
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purpose of our motion, we did not go into legislative history. 
So I just want to put on the record that we're not stipulating 
the lack of it. 
Plaintiffs first argument regards the use of semicolons 
versus periods and their use interchangeably. They say on page 
14, that the phrase following the semicolon is related to the 
phrase preceding it. That's all that a semicolon means. 
Well, under plaintiff's interpretation, the two phrases 
would have nothing to do with one another. The first sentence 
of 11-6 (1) would deal with Council action. The second phrase 
would deal with the placement of the initiative on the ballot. 
These are two different topics if you go by the way that the 
plaintiffs would have you interpret them. If they're read the 
way that the County does, that the period is meant to relate 
back to Council action, then they are completely related to one 
another. 
Plaintiffs also argue that the County's interpretation 
would render the term, "The County Clerk shall submit the 
proposed ordinance to the voters in the County." They said 
that term would be superfluous under our definition because the 
use of "shall" requires the Clerk to do something. Well, under 
our definition, the Clerk does do something. It submits the 
ballot to the voters at the General Election. The Clerk 
undertakes and provides the process and framework for having an 
election. And under the statute, we would have that election
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with this initiative on it. 
Furthermore, plaintiffs never account in their 
responsive pleading their discounting of the term "at" 
preceding General Election in the County Charter, nor their 
apparent substitution of the term "voters" with the term "the 
Office of Elections." Plaintiffs interpretation basically 
rewrites the statutes so that the words must be read to have 
meaning other than their plain English use. 
The County's interpretation, in contrast, recognizes 
the term "at" has meaning in the Charter, giving it a time 
frame; it will be submitted to voters at the General Election. 
Furthermore, it recognizes the term "voters of the county" to 
mean just that, the voters of the county. It does not read the 
term voters of the county to somehow mean the Office of 
Elections. 
And in addition, under plaintiff's reading, we would 
have had to submit our things -- our proposed language to the 
Office of Elections 90 days prior to the election. The Hawaii 
Revised Statutes already provides a deadline, and that's 75 
days. So they seem to think that our charter requires us to 
submit it 15 days earlier. Well, nothing in our charter, nor 
nothing in the Hawaii Revised Statutes says that the Office of 
Elections has to do anything with that if they were served it 
prior to that 75-day period. So we're -- basically, under 
their interpretation, we are being mandated to do something
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with no apparent purpose whatsoever. 
Finally -- well, not finally. Sorry. In addition, an 
absurd result would happen if the plaintiffs interpretation 
were taken at face value. Under the Charter, the Clerk is 
required to publish the full language of a proposed amendment 
or an initiative in the newspaper 45 days prior to submission 
to the voters. 
So submission to the voters under their definition 
means that that would be required 45 days before we gave it to 
the Office of Elections. If you do it that way, the Clerk 
would be required to publish it 45 days prior to August 6th, 
2014, which is when they said we needed to submit it to the 
Office of Elections. That requires us to publish it on June 
22nd, 2014. However, the County Council was not required to 
act on the ordinance until August 15th -- August 5th. Sorry, 
Your Honor. And that's mentioned specifically on their motion 
for TRO on page 11. 
So under plaintiff's definition, we would have to 
submit -- we would have to submit the entire initiative to be 
published in a newspaper 45 days before August 6th, when the 
Council had until August 5th to act on it. So it would have 
had to be published on June 22nd, and then there would be over 
a month where the Council could simply decide to adopt it. It 
would never go before the voters. It would never be on a 
ballot. And we would have basically undertaken the expensive
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process of printing a long and complicated initiative in the 
newspaper for absolutely no reason because the voters would 
never had a crack at it. 
The County's definition does not require that. The 
County's definition just required that 45 days before the 
General Election, we need to submit that; that's after the 
Council can already decide whether or not they've acted on it; 
and it does require to us to publish things needlessly that the 
voters may never see. 
Plaintiffs also point to Charter Section 11-6(2). And 
they say that 11-6(2) is in complete harmony because it makes 
sense that the deadline for the petitioner committee to 
withdraw the ordinance is the same deadline for the County 
Clerk to submit it to voters. It also makes complete sense 
that the deadline for the petitioner's committee to withdraw 
the ordinance is the same deadline for the County Council to 
take final action, after which the Clerk is required under the 
Charter to submit it the voters after the election. Plaintiffs 
offer no reasoning why the County's reading is not also in 
conformity with this later provision. 
And finally, as a general note on the issue of the 90 
days and the interpretation of the statute. Even if 
plaintiff's reading were a plausible reading of the Charter, if 
the County's interpretation is not completely unreasonable, the 
County Clerk is an executive agency who is tasked with
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administering the specific provision at issue here. 
As such, the Clerk's interpretation falls well under 
the established rule of statutory interpretation that where an 
administrative agency is charged with the responsibility of 
carrying out the mandate of a statute which contains words of 
broad and indefinite meaning, Court's accord persuasive weight 
to administrative construction and follow the same unless the 
construction is palpably erroneous. We do not only think that 
our definition it not palpably erroneous, we think that it's an 
obvious outcome of the reading of the Charter provision in its 
entirety. 
Finally, their arguments regarding the balance of harm. 
When they talk about the balance of harm, plaintiffs ignore the 
harm that would be caused to the voters should the TRO be kept 
in place, and further should an injunction be issued. Under 
our Charter, the voters of Maui have the ability to enact laws 
where the County Council has failed to do so. Twenty percent 
of the voters who cast ballots in the 2012 election, one of the 
opportunities is to vote on this initiative during the 2014 
election cycle. Plaintiffs seeks to take away the right of 
these 20 percent of voters who want to exercise their 
democratic rights and actively engage in the democratic process 
due to some nonexistent harm. 
Furthermore, continuing this TRO and allowing for a 
preliminary injunction creates an extremely dangerous
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precedence. Allowing plaintiffs to maintain this injunction 
sends a message that if a party has any problem with ballot 
language, regardless how trivial it is, they can completely 
halt an electoral process by filing a motion such as this. It 
also tells people if they oppose a measure in general, not just 
the language, they can keep it off the ballot simply by raising 
an issue, any issue, regardless of its merit. 
Here, the plaintiff's issues with our language is 
incredibly minimal. They want the language included in the 
title of the ballot, which is already in the very first 
sentence of the question. The language that they want is in 
there, it's just not where they want it. Giving minor 
grievances like this the opportunity to disrupt the electoral 
process is dangerous, and it gives opponents of any law the 
opportunity to thwart the will of the people over basically 
nothing. We can't accommodate everybody who has an opinion on 
the language. We are forced to do our job. 
The plaintiffs mention that both sides were unhappy 
with our language. Our position is that if two sides who have 
a definite interest in it, if they're both unhappy with it, 
that probably means they did something right. 
Finally, in their memorandum in opposition, plaintiffs 
don't even mention our proposed modification. We propose that 
instead of an all-out ban offer processing, it just be a ban on 
giving the information -- the ballot, as is, with this
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information to the voters. 
The plaintiff's harm only comes to fruition if voters 
are voting -- actually go ahead and vote on it. If the Office 
of Elections were allowed to proceed with the printing, they 
would -- the plaintiffs would in no way being prejudiced by 
that. What that would do is that would allow us to continue 
processing and meet internal deadlines should we prevail on 
later motions. 
As I said, the only harm that comes is if these ballots 
are actually submitted to the voters. Instead, our 
alternative, which would be if we're not going to dissolve it, 
is to modify it. That minimizes the burden placed on the 
defendants and still completely protects the plaintiffs from 
the irreparable harm that they're claiming. Thank you. 
THE COURT: Thank you. 
Mr. Carroll. 
MR. CARROLL: Your Honor, real briefly. We would join 
with the County's position that they haven't established 
sufficient grounds for a temporary restraining order. We would 
note that we've also submitted a request for preliminary 
injunctive relief that's set -- that's not set for hearing. 
This matter is set for hearing on Wednesday. We believe that 
the appropriate thing for the Court to do is to dissolve the 
TRO, and to allow the matter to be heard on Wednesday, so a 
final adjudication can be heard at that point in time. Thank
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you. 
THE COURT: Thank you. 
Ms. Kunimoto. 
MS. KUNIMOTO: We take no position on the County's 
motion, Your Honor. 
THE COURT: Thank you. 
Mr. Thomas. 
MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Just briefly, Your Honor. I will 
hope that the Court has had a chance to look through the papers 
that have been flying back and forth, and we're all reading on 
the fly as we go. And for purposes of my argument here, I will 
just try to fill in some of the high points, rather than walk 
the Court through our entire briefing. 
But the burden here at this point, I want to emphasize, 
is somewhat of a high one because the way that the County Clerk 
has pitched the relief he seeks in this motion is that he has 
to be right on the merits; whereas, in order for the TRO to 
continue, we only have to show that there's a substantial 
likelihood that we would win on the merits. 
So -- and we think that we would, for all the reasons 
set forth in our brief. The fact that nobody is happy with the 
language is certainly not a sign that it's good. This is not 
the goldilocks school or the school of ballot drafting. The 
goal here is to get it right, and make it non-deceptive or 
non-misleading to the voters. It's simply because you have
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both parties or both sides claiming that it doesn't qualify for 
that doesn't mean somehow that you did something right. 
And, again, the three-part test that we're looking at 
is the irreparable injury. And I did want to focus on the fact 
that the Charter makes any injury by either the proponents of 
the amend -- of the initiative ordinance, or by the Clerk not 
irreparable. Because if this thing does not go on the 2014 
ballot because it's now too late to get something right, the 
Charter automatically sets it on the 2016 ballot. So the Maui 
Charter, as far as we can tell, is pretty unique in that 
regard. 
Most charters that we looked at that have simpler type 
of language simply wipe it out, saying if you didn't get the 
timing right, you blew dates -- whether it's by the County 
Clerk or by the petitioner's committee not starting early 
enough -- too bad; you missed your deadline. But the County 
Charter here that's that unique provision, saying, well, it 
automatically goes on the succeeding 2016 General Election 
ballot. So the people are going to have their say on this 
thing no matter what the Court does. I mean, in the sense of 
if takes it off the ballot at this point for 2014. 
So there's really not an irreparable injury here. The 
people are going to have their say. It's just a question of do 
we try to get the language of the ballot title correct. And I 
think the Supreme Court has made it clear that we try to do so.
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And the Kahalekai case, at best, it doesn't deal with 
the issue expressly. So it doesn't come down on the side, as 
the County Clerk has argued, that that means clearly that's the 
way the Supreme Court would rule in this case. Because the 
Court didn't address it because it was not raised whether the 
titles in those questions should be considered separately or 
were deceptive on their own. So we all know, as a way of 
reading cases, the Court deals with the issues that are raised 
before it, and everything else is dicta. 
And so with respect to that issue as dictum, we think 
the Court can look to those Oregon cases that we cited. 
Because even those were based in statute, and as a statutory 
requirement, essentially the same requirement of non-misleading 
comes through from our case law. So we don't have a statute or 
an ordinance that requires it like Oregon does, but we have the 
common-law requirement that we try to get it right. 
And the Supreme Court, I think the posture of that 
case, the Kahalekai case, the procedural posture is really 
distinct in that case because that was an original jurisdiction 
action before the Supreme Court. It was an election contest. 
So the election it taken place, then the challengers came in on 
the special jurisdictional grounds that the Supreme Court has 
to review election results, change the result of the election. 
And so in that case, it's much different than we are here. 
We're in a preelection stance, where the Court says if
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you got the time to get it right, get it right. In that case 
they were looking backwards and not forward. In this case, we 
have a two-year window plus to get this right. Get it before 
the voters; get them to vote on it. 
But the only remedy that the Supreme Court could do in 
that case was to invalidate the election or not. And 
literally, that's the only jurisdiction has in post-election 
contests is to invalidate the results. Huge difference in the 
type of relief that we're seeking here; make sure we get it 
right, then we have the election versus throw the election out. 
And I think that's important for the Court to look at. 
I guess we're not dealing, for purposes of this, with 
the restraining order -- or the motion for TRO that the 
committee has brought, are we? Okay. I'll save that for when 
that hearing is. 
But the final thing I'd like to point out is -- that's 
not in our brief or that perhaps we didn't make terribly clear 
in our briefs was that this impacts both sides equally. So 
rather than the fact that both sides object to it means this 
language is good, we think that really reveals that there's a 
problem, so that we do have a substantial likelihood of 
prevailing on that issue. We think that the language of the 
Charter supports our read of it with respect to the timing. I 
mean, words have meaning. I don't want to get into the meaning 
of semicolons, and whatnot. And we'll stand on our briefs for
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that. 
But is there legislative history? We need time to 
figure this out. And the nature of these types of contests 
that we are, because the Supreme Court requires us to do it, 
because we certainly don't want to make Mr. Nago violate 
federal law, we have very narrow windows. So we're all moving 
rather quickly. The TRO's purpose was to buy us as much as 
time as we can just so we get the law right, we get the facts 
right, we get the issues right. And apparently now, we have 
everyone on board. 
So I think -- we suggest that the Court keep the TRO in 
place. We have a hearing -- I don't know if the defendants and 
the intervenors are aware of this. But we do have the hearing 
on the motion for preliminary injunction for Wednesday. 
THE COURT: Wednesday. 
MR. THOMAS: At 11:00, I believe. There's no harm in 
keeping the TRO open until the time it's supposed to expire. 
That will give us the time, at least another day and a half, 
another 48 hours to flush out our arguments a little better, 
now that we have everybody on board. So we think there's no 
harm in keeping the TRO as it stands in place. 
The last thing I would like to do as an administrative 
matter. I made the mistake when I was drafting the complaint 
of including -- I want to get the name right, because I -- 
Mr. Falconer, who's a plaintiff. I listed him as Kimo
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Falconer, and I should have listed him as James Falconer. So I 
ask the Court's indulgence to make an oral motion to amend the 
caption so from now on it will read James Falconer. 
THE COURT: Not a problem. 
MR. THOMAS: Okay. Thank you very much, Your Honor. 
And that's all I have. 
THE COURT: Thank you. 
Mr. Rowe, you wand to respond? 
MR. ROWE: Yes, Your Honor. I'll just do so really 
briefly. 
He refers to the Oregon statute, saying that it's 
just -- it's a codification of our common-law requirements 
here. That's not what the Oregon statute is. The Oregon 
statute dictates directly what has to be in the ballot title 
itself. Our common-law does not go into differentiation 
between the two. I just wanted to make that clear. 
Secondly, I still have not heard any objection or any 
harm that would be caused by plaintiffs with our proposed 
modification. And so with that, I'll rest. 
THE COURT: Mr. Carroll. 
MR. CARROLL: Your Honor, real briefly. Counsel did 
make one comment that I wanted to respond to. The comment that 
this matter can simply wait until the 2016 election. The 
voters, 20 percent of the Maui voting electorate signed this 
petition because they wanted to put it on the ballot for 2014.
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And it would be a huge prejudice or huge harm to these -- to 
our voting electorate if this is not on the 2014 ballot. 
We believe the Court has sufficient time and the County 
has sufficient time to get it right this time around. And we 
believe it should be on the 2014 ballot. And we believe that 
if this matter can be heard on Wednesday, that there's 
sufficient time for this matter to be addressed. And it should 
be addressed within time for the 2014 election. Thank you. 
THE COURT: Thank you. 
Ms. Kunimoto. 
MS. KUNIMOTO: Nothing. Thank you. 
THE COURT: Mr. Thomas, did you want to respond to any 
comments? 
MR. THOMAS: No, Your Honor. Unless you have any 
questions, I'd be happy to just stop at this point. 
THE COURT: Okay, I appreciate it. 
MR. THOMAS: Okay. Thank you. We know the Court's 
busy, and we appreciate you carving out this space in your 
calendar for us. 
THE COURT: I appreciate everyone trying to get the 
their briefs to the Court as quickly as possible. I appreciate 
that very much. 
All right. The Court, having had an opportunity to 
review defendant's motion to dissolve the opposition, as well 
as having heard the oral arguments in court this morning, the
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Court's going to go ahead and grant defendant's motion to 
dissolve the order granting plaintiff's motion for temporary 
restraining order. 
The Court finds that the plaintiffs have failed to meet 
their burden to justify injunctive relief because it is 
unlikely plaintiffs could succeed on the merits. Second, the 
balance of irreparable harm is in favor of the defendant. And 
third, the public interest will better be served by allowing 
the Maui voters to decide this important issue on November 4th, 
2014. 
First of all, the Court finds that the Clerk's 
submission to the Chief Election Officer was not untimely, in 
that the 90-day provision in the Maui County Code Section 
11-6(1) refers to the minimum number of days that must pass 
between the date that Council fails to enact a proposed 
initiative and the date of the General Election. 
Also, the Court finds that the proposed ballot title by 
itself is not misleading, let alone when read in conjunction 
with a valid question. Also, the Court finds that the balance 
of irreparable harm favors the defendant in that an injunction 
will potentially hinder the entire November 2014 election 
process. And lastly, the Court finds that the public has a 
strong interest in having elections that are run efficiently 
and competently and without unnecessary delay. 
Dealing first off with the 90-day provision in the
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County Code of Section 11-6(1), refers to the minimum number of 
days that must pass between the date the Council fails to enact 
a proposed initiative and the date of the General Election. 
Essential to this interpretation of Section 11-6 is the 
article "at" in the phrase, "The County Clerk shall submit the 
proposed or referred ordinance to the voters of the County 'at' 
the next General Election." 
Additionally, HRS Section 11-119(b) already requires 
the County Clerk to submit the exact wording of ballot language 
to the Office of Elections 75 days prior to the election. And 
furthermore, the Court agrees with defendant that another 
requirement within Maui County Section 11-6, that an initiative 
be printed in the newspaper 45 days before submission to the 
voters, if interpreted consistently with plaintiff's 
construction, would lead to an absurd result. 
Also, the Court finds that plaintiff is not likely to 
succeed in the merits, the ballot title is not misleading; 
plaintiff's assertion based upon a questionable poll that many 
voters only read a ballot title before casting their vote is 
immaterial. The Supreme Court has held that it's incumbent 
upon members of the public to educate and familiarize 
themselves with the consents and effect of laws placed on the 
ballot before expressing themselves at the polls. 
Case law cited by plaintiff refers to misleading ballot 
language, not misleading ballots titles, although neither
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appears to be present. Here the title, "genetically engineered 
organisms" is not deceptive as to what the subject of the 
proposed initiative encompasses. 
Additionally, after reading just the title, all voters 
can easily decipher how to express their views by referencing 
other materials before casting their vote. Therefore, the 
language of the ballot title and the ballot question, taken 
together, is sufficiently clear to identify the matter to show 
its character and purpose, and thus avoid any risk of patent 
and fundamental unfairness. 
As far as irreparable harm, the Court finds that 
plaintiffs have not met their burden of establishing the 
balance of irreparable -- excuse me. Have not met their burden 
of establishing the balance of irreparable harm favors the 
plaintiff. All harms complained of by plaintiff are 
speculative: "Might" cause a voter, "could" read the title, 
"may" erroneously cast a 'no' vote. And so on and so forth. 
Defendant's harms are more concrete. For example, an 
injunction would directly interfere with the County's duty to 
conduct an efficient and fair election without unnecessary 
delay. 
And lastly, far as public interest is concerned. 
Although plaintiffs contend that they are obligated to file 
this action in the interest of all Maui voters, the Court 
believes it is in the public interest to allow Maui voters to
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express their views at the polls this November rather than wait 
an additional two years, despite plaintiff's assertion that it 
is a fundamental right to cast an informed, accurate, and valid 
vote, and interfering with the right to cast a vote is an 
irreparable injury. Plaintiffs seem to indicate a willingness 
to halt the entire Maui County election process. 
Although it is surely within the public interest to 
ensure a fair voting process, the factual circumstances 
presented do not implicate an unfair voting process under the 
Maui County Carter, the Hawaii State Constitution, or the 
Constitution of the United States. 
That being so, the Court's granting defendant's motion 
to dissolve. I'm going to ask Mr. Rowe to prepare the order on 
the matter. 
Mr. Carroll, I granted your motion to intervene. Based 
on the Court's ruling, I suppose you want to me to deny the 
motion to consolidate. Correct? 
MR. CARROLL: I'm sorry, Your Honor? 
THE COURT: I granted your motion to intervene. 
Because of the Court's ruling on this motion to dissolve, I 
suppose you no longer want me to consolidate. Correct? 
Because this basically makes Wednesday's hearing moot. 
And you have your own restraining order sitting on my desk 
right now for your own preliminary injunctions, which I will 
get to right after this hearing.
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MR. CARROLL: Okay. That's fine, Your Honor. 
THE COURT: Okay. So can you prepare the order on your 
motion to intervene. So granted in part, and denied in part. 
MR. CARROLL: Yes, Your Honor. 
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much, counsels. 
MR. ROWE: Thank you, Your Honor. 
THE CLERK: Court is adjourned. 
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C E R T I F I C A T I O N 
I, CAMMIE GILLETT, a Registered Professional Reporter, 
Certified Shorthand Reporter for the State of Hawaii #438, do 
hereby certify that the foregoing pages comprise a full, true 
and correct transcript of the proceedings had in connection 
with the above-entitled cause. 
Dated this 16th day of September 2014. 
Sgd:/ Cammie Gillett________ 
Cammie Gillett, RPR, CSR #438

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Transcript of judge loo decision_9-15-14

  • 1. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SECOND CIRCUIT STATE OF HAWAII _____________________________ Alfonso Taal, et al., Plaintiffs, vs. Danny Mateo, et al., Defendants. ________________________________ ))))))))))) CIVIL NO: 14-1-0506(1) TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS had before the Honorable Rhonda I.L. Loo, Circuit Court Judge presiding, on Monday, September 15, 2014. Motion to Dissolve; Motion to Intervene; Motion to Consolidate. APPEARANCES: Robert H. Thomas, Esq. Attorney for Plaintiffs Caleb Rowe, Esq. Attorney for Defendant Deputy Corporation Counsel Danny Mateo County of Maui Michael C. Carroll, Esq. Attorney for Intervenor Valerie Kunimoto, Esq. Attorney for Defendant Deputy Attorney General Scott Nago State of Hawaii REPORTED BY: Cammie Gillett Registered Professional Reporter Hawaii Certified Shorthand Reporter #438
  • 2. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 2 MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2014 * * * THE CLERK: All rise. Courtroom Number One is reconvened. Judge Rhonda I.L. Loo presiding. Please be seated. Calling Civil Number 14-1-0506, Alfonso Taal versus Danny Mateo, et al., for one, Defendant County of Maui's motion to dissolve or, in the alternative, to modify order granting plaintiff's motion for temporary restraining order; and, two, applicants/movants Alika Atay, Laurin Pang, Mark Sheehan, Bonnie Marsh, Leiohu Ryder and SHAKA movement's motion to intervene and consolidate. THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. Appearances, please. MR. THOMAS: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Robert Thomas for the plaintiffs. THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. MR. ROWE: Good afternoon. Deputy Corporation Council Caleb Rowe on behalf of Defendant Dennis Mateo. THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. MR. CARROLL: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Michael Carroll and Sharon Lim appearing on behalf of the intervenors. THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. MS. KUNIMOTO: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Valerie Kunimoto, Deputy Attorney General, representing Scott Nago, the
  • 3. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 3 Chief Elections Officer. THE COURT: Okay. Good afternoon. I'd like to start with the second motion, regarding the intervention and consolidation. Mr. Carroll. MR. CARROLL: Yes, Your Honor. Your Honor, I represent the group of the petitioners that submitted this ballot initiative. We have a similar lawsuit that's pending in this courtroom that involves the same overlapping issues. We believe we're a necessary party. We believe we have a significant interest in the outcome of this case. And we believe that consolidation of these two matters makes sense in the judicial sense, as they involve the same ballot, the same facts, the same issues. So we would ask that we be permitted to intervene, and that the two matters be consolidated. Thank you. THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. Mr. Rowe, any objection? MR. ROWE: We have no objection, Your Honor. THE COURT: Mr. Thomas. MR. THOMAS: Well, I don't think we have an objection. But I do want to point out, make it clear on the record that we haven't had a chance to look over the moving papers. I literally got them on the way out the door. They were dropped off this morning as I was heading out to the airport. So I'm
  • 4. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 4 at a bit of a loss. I think I understand what the issues must be. I think at this point, we'll take a no position on the motion. We'd be pointing out that there are some inconsistencies, I think, where they say they're aligned with us on some issues. Because I assume they're intervening as plaintiffs because it seems like everybody has a problem with the way that the ballot title or the way that the ballot language currently is. And there's some inconsistencies in a quick glance that I wasn't quite clear about, where they suggest that -- or they argue that they believe the ballot title couldn't be clearer, and yet they're challenging the ballot title, from what we can tell. So if we could clear that up, I would greatly appreciate that as to what their position actually is with respect to the words that are currently on the ballot, the three genetically engineered organisms, and whether they're challenging that or whether the statement that it could not be clearer is their position with respect to that. THE COURT: Mr. Carroll. MR. CARROLL: Your Honor, we are not challenging the title of the document, we are challenging provisions in the text. And we believe it could be clearer. And we filed a motion for preliminary injunction, and hopefully to obtain that relief.
  • 5. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 5 MR. THOMAS: And I think that contradicts their statements in their motions for TRO, and whatnot, that they want to reform the ballot title. So it sounds like they are actually challenging the ballot title because they want to add some words to it like we do. So maybe that's a fight we need to have in the course of this, as opposed to during the course of preliminary issues or procedure. But I just wanted to make that -- forgive me again if I'm operating at a little bit of a loss, but that's how we view it. THE COURT: Do you want me to give you a short recess so you can review the motion that they filed? MR. THOMAS: If it's your standard intervention motion -- I mean, this, to us, seems like one where we're not going to object too strongly because they are, after all, the committee that proposed the underlying ballot, let's say, or the underlying proposed initiative. So I don't think that's necessary. We won't take up any more of the Court's time than is necessary. THE COURT: And, I'm sorry, Ms. Kunimoto. Did you have a petition? MS. KUNIMOTO: We also haven't received the moving papers, but we take no position on it, Your Honor. Your Honor, but when there's, I guess, changes to the text of the ballot initiative, we get a little bit more -- THE COURT: If there are changes.
  • 6. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 6 MS. KUNIMOTO: If there are proposed, then we're a little bit more concerned because of the time it's going to take to translate the material. And I'm sure Your Honor is well aware of that. THE COURT: Okay. Anything else on this, Mr. Carroll? MR. CARROLL: No, Your Honor. THE COURT: All right. So the Court's inclined to go ahead and grant the motion to intervene. I'm a little concerned about the motion to consolidate, but I'd like to get through the motion to dissolve, and then I can answer further questions regarding whether I'm going to actually consolidate the matters for Wednesday. Okay? But for intervention is not a problem, you can argue today on the County's motion to dissolve. And I'll start, Mr. Rowe, on your motion, please. MR. ROWE: Thank you, Your Honor. We believe that our motion pretty much spoke for itself. I just wanted to make some comments in reference to the plaintiff's memorandum in opposition to our motion. First, they cited a lot of case law that's completely irrelevant to this. There's a whole section where he quotes a lot of cases from Oregon. Well, the Oregon cases were all determined under a statute which specifically provides what's supposed to be included in a ballot title. We have no such provisions in Hawaii. The only guidance that is given is in
  • 7. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 7 the Kahalekai case, which they also refer to, and that refers to ballot language as a whole. Several of their other cases that they cite, they do deal with the ballot questions, but they look at it in terms of biased. They don't look at it in terms of substance or whether or not there's sufficient information in it. The one that they cite where they were overturned, it was found there was bias. And they haven't claimed any bias in our ballot title. And further on that note, the case law that the plaintiffs have cited, they all really deal with the issue of language as a whole, all the language that's on the ballot regarding the measure. They don't specify the title versus a question. The purpose of the ballot title is so voters can go through and identify which question it is. They then can look at the summary. And that's where they get their information from. They have two separate purposes. And when the Courts, in both Kahalekai and 30 voters, which are cited by plaintiff, when they refer it, they look at the ballot language as a whole; they don't specify one or the other. And, you know, finally, we gave kind of some examples of what's being done in the State, what's being done on other ballot measures here in Maui, just kind of regarding what is done with ballot titles in this state. And I actually think that the case cited most prominently by the plaintiffs, Kahalekai is probably the most damning to their argument on
  • 8. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 8 this point. In Kahalekai, the Court reviewed several proposed amendments to the State constitution, as was Appendix B to that decision. They actually had copies of what was put before voters of what the ballot questions were. The Court reviewed them, and looking at them as a whole, found that they were adequate as far as their language. Some were invalidated for improper notice, but that's not relevant here. So the Hawaii Supreme Court has already reviewed nearly identical language and upheld it. I will just give you some examples. This is on Appendix B of that opinion. Question Number 2, independent grand jury counsel. Question Number 4, open primary election. Question 8, reapportionment procedures. Question 17, public health and welfare. Question 19, Board of Education. Question 21, university board of regents. 24, Land Management Agricultural Land. 27, Department of Hawaiian Homelands. Question 30, Code of Ethics. And Question 34, technical and style changes. So the Court -- the Supreme Court has already looked at the issue of ballot titles. And instead of focusing just on the titles, they looked at the language as a whole. If they had felt that, in fact, the language -- the title was supposed to stand on their own, they didn't mention it. And they specifically reviewed earlier constitutional amendments and said that those titles were sufficient when taken in the context. So the Court's in the State of Hawaii, nor any
  • 9. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 9 statute, ever make that differentiation that they want to make that the title standing by itself needs to be completely clear and needs to tell people exactly what it says and what they want to vote on. And further, I just wanted to say that the evidence that the plaintiffs are relying on is what they call evidence that only the ballot title is considered by the voters; a lot of times, they only consider that when they're looking at the ballot. That's completely irrelevant. The Court in Kahalekai specifically said that the voters themselves have a duty to educate them on the substance of ballot measures, and that that duty is non delegable. They also went on to say that they cannot and should not look into the motivations of why Hawaii voters vote a certain way; all that matters is that they were given sufficient information on the ballot. In Kahalekai, the Court upheld that it didn't matter if it's easier to vote yes or no on a proposed amendment, because courts should not consider voter motives in their way of voting. If voters voted one way simply because it was easier, that was not the Court's discretion. Similarly here, if the voters vote one way because they only read the ballot title, that is not for the Court to judge. The Court only needs to look at whether there was enough information on the ballot for voters to make an educated vote.
  • 10. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 10 And our argument is that here they did when that ballot title is taken in connection with everything else. And just as kind of a side note. The Court in Kahalekai mentioned there was a lot of press given to these constitutional amendments when it was discussing the responsibilities of voters to educate themselves. We're in an extremely similar situation. Both sides are putting out a lot of information. And in the information being put out there, it specifically says vote yes or vote no. If they are against the initiative, their advertisements specifically say vote no on that initiative. If they're in favor, the advertisement specifically says vote yes. So that should clear up -- their argument is they can look at it and not know which way to go. Well, there's another form of education by inundation of the airwaves with all this stuff. So really, our only issue is we were supposed to assure that voters have information that's unbiased and that does not mislead the voters, and the voters at the very least have the responsibility to read the very next sentence on the paper, which includes the ballot question which will clear up any questions that they might have. Another ground that they mention is the issue of timeliness. In their memorandum in opposition, they said that it appears that we stipulate that there's no legislative history. We, by no means, are stipulating that. Just for the
  • 11. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 11 purpose of our motion, we did not go into legislative history. So I just want to put on the record that we're not stipulating the lack of it. Plaintiffs first argument regards the use of semicolons versus periods and their use interchangeably. They say on page 14, that the phrase following the semicolon is related to the phrase preceding it. That's all that a semicolon means. Well, under plaintiff's interpretation, the two phrases would have nothing to do with one another. The first sentence of 11-6 (1) would deal with Council action. The second phrase would deal with the placement of the initiative on the ballot. These are two different topics if you go by the way that the plaintiffs would have you interpret them. If they're read the way that the County does, that the period is meant to relate back to Council action, then they are completely related to one another. Plaintiffs also argue that the County's interpretation would render the term, "The County Clerk shall submit the proposed ordinance to the voters in the County." They said that term would be superfluous under our definition because the use of "shall" requires the Clerk to do something. Well, under our definition, the Clerk does do something. It submits the ballot to the voters at the General Election. The Clerk undertakes and provides the process and framework for having an election. And under the statute, we would have that election
  • 12. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 12 with this initiative on it. Furthermore, plaintiffs never account in their responsive pleading their discounting of the term "at" preceding General Election in the County Charter, nor their apparent substitution of the term "voters" with the term "the Office of Elections." Plaintiffs interpretation basically rewrites the statutes so that the words must be read to have meaning other than their plain English use. The County's interpretation, in contrast, recognizes the term "at" has meaning in the Charter, giving it a time frame; it will be submitted to voters at the General Election. Furthermore, it recognizes the term "voters of the county" to mean just that, the voters of the county. It does not read the term voters of the county to somehow mean the Office of Elections. And in addition, under plaintiff's reading, we would have had to submit our things -- our proposed language to the Office of Elections 90 days prior to the election. The Hawaii Revised Statutes already provides a deadline, and that's 75 days. So they seem to think that our charter requires us to submit it 15 days earlier. Well, nothing in our charter, nor nothing in the Hawaii Revised Statutes says that the Office of Elections has to do anything with that if they were served it prior to that 75-day period. So we're -- basically, under their interpretation, we are being mandated to do something
  • 13. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 13 with no apparent purpose whatsoever. Finally -- well, not finally. Sorry. In addition, an absurd result would happen if the plaintiffs interpretation were taken at face value. Under the Charter, the Clerk is required to publish the full language of a proposed amendment or an initiative in the newspaper 45 days prior to submission to the voters. So submission to the voters under their definition means that that would be required 45 days before we gave it to the Office of Elections. If you do it that way, the Clerk would be required to publish it 45 days prior to August 6th, 2014, which is when they said we needed to submit it to the Office of Elections. That requires us to publish it on June 22nd, 2014. However, the County Council was not required to act on the ordinance until August 15th -- August 5th. Sorry, Your Honor. And that's mentioned specifically on their motion for TRO on page 11. So under plaintiff's definition, we would have to submit -- we would have to submit the entire initiative to be published in a newspaper 45 days before August 6th, when the Council had until August 5th to act on it. So it would have had to be published on June 22nd, and then there would be over a month where the Council could simply decide to adopt it. It would never go before the voters. It would never be on a ballot. And we would have basically undertaken the expensive
  • 14. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 14 process of printing a long and complicated initiative in the newspaper for absolutely no reason because the voters would never had a crack at it. The County's definition does not require that. The County's definition just required that 45 days before the General Election, we need to submit that; that's after the Council can already decide whether or not they've acted on it; and it does require to us to publish things needlessly that the voters may never see. Plaintiffs also point to Charter Section 11-6(2). And they say that 11-6(2) is in complete harmony because it makes sense that the deadline for the petitioner committee to withdraw the ordinance is the same deadline for the County Clerk to submit it to voters. It also makes complete sense that the deadline for the petitioner's committee to withdraw the ordinance is the same deadline for the County Council to take final action, after which the Clerk is required under the Charter to submit it the voters after the election. Plaintiffs offer no reasoning why the County's reading is not also in conformity with this later provision. And finally, as a general note on the issue of the 90 days and the interpretation of the statute. Even if plaintiff's reading were a plausible reading of the Charter, if the County's interpretation is not completely unreasonable, the County Clerk is an executive agency who is tasked with
  • 15. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 15 administering the specific provision at issue here. As such, the Clerk's interpretation falls well under the established rule of statutory interpretation that where an administrative agency is charged with the responsibility of carrying out the mandate of a statute which contains words of broad and indefinite meaning, Court's accord persuasive weight to administrative construction and follow the same unless the construction is palpably erroneous. We do not only think that our definition it not palpably erroneous, we think that it's an obvious outcome of the reading of the Charter provision in its entirety. Finally, their arguments regarding the balance of harm. When they talk about the balance of harm, plaintiffs ignore the harm that would be caused to the voters should the TRO be kept in place, and further should an injunction be issued. Under our Charter, the voters of Maui have the ability to enact laws where the County Council has failed to do so. Twenty percent of the voters who cast ballots in the 2012 election, one of the opportunities is to vote on this initiative during the 2014 election cycle. Plaintiffs seeks to take away the right of these 20 percent of voters who want to exercise their democratic rights and actively engage in the democratic process due to some nonexistent harm. Furthermore, continuing this TRO and allowing for a preliminary injunction creates an extremely dangerous
  • 16. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 16 precedence. Allowing plaintiffs to maintain this injunction sends a message that if a party has any problem with ballot language, regardless how trivial it is, they can completely halt an electoral process by filing a motion such as this. It also tells people if they oppose a measure in general, not just the language, they can keep it off the ballot simply by raising an issue, any issue, regardless of its merit. Here, the plaintiff's issues with our language is incredibly minimal. They want the language included in the title of the ballot, which is already in the very first sentence of the question. The language that they want is in there, it's just not where they want it. Giving minor grievances like this the opportunity to disrupt the electoral process is dangerous, and it gives opponents of any law the opportunity to thwart the will of the people over basically nothing. We can't accommodate everybody who has an opinion on the language. We are forced to do our job. The plaintiffs mention that both sides were unhappy with our language. Our position is that if two sides who have a definite interest in it, if they're both unhappy with it, that probably means they did something right. Finally, in their memorandum in opposition, plaintiffs don't even mention our proposed modification. We propose that instead of an all-out ban offer processing, it just be a ban on giving the information -- the ballot, as is, with this
  • 17. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 17 information to the voters. The plaintiff's harm only comes to fruition if voters are voting -- actually go ahead and vote on it. If the Office of Elections were allowed to proceed with the printing, they would -- the plaintiffs would in no way being prejudiced by that. What that would do is that would allow us to continue processing and meet internal deadlines should we prevail on later motions. As I said, the only harm that comes is if these ballots are actually submitted to the voters. Instead, our alternative, which would be if we're not going to dissolve it, is to modify it. That minimizes the burden placed on the defendants and still completely protects the plaintiffs from the irreparable harm that they're claiming. Thank you. THE COURT: Thank you. Mr. Carroll. MR. CARROLL: Your Honor, real briefly. We would join with the County's position that they haven't established sufficient grounds for a temporary restraining order. We would note that we've also submitted a request for preliminary injunctive relief that's set -- that's not set for hearing. This matter is set for hearing on Wednesday. We believe that the appropriate thing for the Court to do is to dissolve the TRO, and to allow the matter to be heard on Wednesday, so a final adjudication can be heard at that point in time. Thank
  • 18. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 18 you. THE COURT: Thank you. Ms. Kunimoto. MS. KUNIMOTO: We take no position on the County's motion, Your Honor. THE COURT: Thank you. Mr. Thomas. MR. THOMAS: Yeah. Just briefly, Your Honor. I will hope that the Court has had a chance to look through the papers that have been flying back and forth, and we're all reading on the fly as we go. And for purposes of my argument here, I will just try to fill in some of the high points, rather than walk the Court through our entire briefing. But the burden here at this point, I want to emphasize, is somewhat of a high one because the way that the County Clerk has pitched the relief he seeks in this motion is that he has to be right on the merits; whereas, in order for the TRO to continue, we only have to show that there's a substantial likelihood that we would win on the merits. So -- and we think that we would, for all the reasons set forth in our brief. The fact that nobody is happy with the language is certainly not a sign that it's good. This is not the goldilocks school or the school of ballot drafting. The goal here is to get it right, and make it non-deceptive or non-misleading to the voters. It's simply because you have
  • 19. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 19 both parties or both sides claiming that it doesn't qualify for that doesn't mean somehow that you did something right. And, again, the three-part test that we're looking at is the irreparable injury. And I did want to focus on the fact that the Charter makes any injury by either the proponents of the amend -- of the initiative ordinance, or by the Clerk not irreparable. Because if this thing does not go on the 2014 ballot because it's now too late to get something right, the Charter automatically sets it on the 2016 ballot. So the Maui Charter, as far as we can tell, is pretty unique in that regard. Most charters that we looked at that have simpler type of language simply wipe it out, saying if you didn't get the timing right, you blew dates -- whether it's by the County Clerk or by the petitioner's committee not starting early enough -- too bad; you missed your deadline. But the County Charter here that's that unique provision, saying, well, it automatically goes on the succeeding 2016 General Election ballot. So the people are going to have their say on this thing no matter what the Court does. I mean, in the sense of if takes it off the ballot at this point for 2014. So there's really not an irreparable injury here. The people are going to have their say. It's just a question of do we try to get the language of the ballot title correct. And I think the Supreme Court has made it clear that we try to do so.
  • 20. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 20 And the Kahalekai case, at best, it doesn't deal with the issue expressly. So it doesn't come down on the side, as the County Clerk has argued, that that means clearly that's the way the Supreme Court would rule in this case. Because the Court didn't address it because it was not raised whether the titles in those questions should be considered separately or were deceptive on their own. So we all know, as a way of reading cases, the Court deals with the issues that are raised before it, and everything else is dicta. And so with respect to that issue as dictum, we think the Court can look to those Oregon cases that we cited. Because even those were based in statute, and as a statutory requirement, essentially the same requirement of non-misleading comes through from our case law. So we don't have a statute or an ordinance that requires it like Oregon does, but we have the common-law requirement that we try to get it right. And the Supreme Court, I think the posture of that case, the Kahalekai case, the procedural posture is really distinct in that case because that was an original jurisdiction action before the Supreme Court. It was an election contest. So the election it taken place, then the challengers came in on the special jurisdictional grounds that the Supreme Court has to review election results, change the result of the election. And so in that case, it's much different than we are here. We're in a preelection stance, where the Court says if
  • 21. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 21 you got the time to get it right, get it right. In that case they were looking backwards and not forward. In this case, we have a two-year window plus to get this right. Get it before the voters; get them to vote on it. But the only remedy that the Supreme Court could do in that case was to invalidate the election or not. And literally, that's the only jurisdiction has in post-election contests is to invalidate the results. Huge difference in the type of relief that we're seeking here; make sure we get it right, then we have the election versus throw the election out. And I think that's important for the Court to look at. I guess we're not dealing, for purposes of this, with the restraining order -- or the motion for TRO that the committee has brought, are we? Okay. I'll save that for when that hearing is. But the final thing I'd like to point out is -- that's not in our brief or that perhaps we didn't make terribly clear in our briefs was that this impacts both sides equally. So rather than the fact that both sides object to it means this language is good, we think that really reveals that there's a problem, so that we do have a substantial likelihood of prevailing on that issue. We think that the language of the Charter supports our read of it with respect to the timing. I mean, words have meaning. I don't want to get into the meaning of semicolons, and whatnot. And we'll stand on our briefs for
  • 22. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 22 that. But is there legislative history? We need time to figure this out. And the nature of these types of contests that we are, because the Supreme Court requires us to do it, because we certainly don't want to make Mr. Nago violate federal law, we have very narrow windows. So we're all moving rather quickly. The TRO's purpose was to buy us as much as time as we can just so we get the law right, we get the facts right, we get the issues right. And apparently now, we have everyone on board. So I think -- we suggest that the Court keep the TRO in place. We have a hearing -- I don't know if the defendants and the intervenors are aware of this. But we do have the hearing on the motion for preliminary injunction for Wednesday. THE COURT: Wednesday. MR. THOMAS: At 11:00, I believe. There's no harm in keeping the TRO open until the time it's supposed to expire. That will give us the time, at least another day and a half, another 48 hours to flush out our arguments a little better, now that we have everybody on board. So we think there's no harm in keeping the TRO as it stands in place. The last thing I would like to do as an administrative matter. I made the mistake when I was drafting the complaint of including -- I want to get the name right, because I -- Mr. Falconer, who's a plaintiff. I listed him as Kimo
  • 23. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 23 Falconer, and I should have listed him as James Falconer. So I ask the Court's indulgence to make an oral motion to amend the caption so from now on it will read James Falconer. THE COURT: Not a problem. MR. THOMAS: Okay. Thank you very much, Your Honor. And that's all I have. THE COURT: Thank you. Mr. Rowe, you wand to respond? MR. ROWE: Yes, Your Honor. I'll just do so really briefly. He refers to the Oregon statute, saying that it's just -- it's a codification of our common-law requirements here. That's not what the Oregon statute is. The Oregon statute dictates directly what has to be in the ballot title itself. Our common-law does not go into differentiation between the two. I just wanted to make that clear. Secondly, I still have not heard any objection or any harm that would be caused by plaintiffs with our proposed modification. And so with that, I'll rest. THE COURT: Mr. Carroll. MR. CARROLL: Your Honor, real briefly. Counsel did make one comment that I wanted to respond to. The comment that this matter can simply wait until the 2016 election. The voters, 20 percent of the Maui voting electorate signed this petition because they wanted to put it on the ballot for 2014.
  • 24. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 24 And it would be a huge prejudice or huge harm to these -- to our voting electorate if this is not on the 2014 ballot. We believe the Court has sufficient time and the County has sufficient time to get it right this time around. And we believe it should be on the 2014 ballot. And we believe that if this matter can be heard on Wednesday, that there's sufficient time for this matter to be addressed. And it should be addressed within time for the 2014 election. Thank you. THE COURT: Thank you. Ms. Kunimoto. MS. KUNIMOTO: Nothing. Thank you. THE COURT: Mr. Thomas, did you want to respond to any comments? MR. THOMAS: No, Your Honor. Unless you have any questions, I'd be happy to just stop at this point. THE COURT: Okay, I appreciate it. MR. THOMAS: Okay. Thank you. We know the Court's busy, and we appreciate you carving out this space in your calendar for us. THE COURT: I appreciate everyone trying to get the their briefs to the Court as quickly as possible. I appreciate that very much. All right. The Court, having had an opportunity to review defendant's motion to dissolve the opposition, as well as having heard the oral arguments in court this morning, the
  • 25. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 25 Court's going to go ahead and grant defendant's motion to dissolve the order granting plaintiff's motion for temporary restraining order. The Court finds that the plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to justify injunctive relief because it is unlikely plaintiffs could succeed on the merits. Second, the balance of irreparable harm is in favor of the defendant. And third, the public interest will better be served by allowing the Maui voters to decide this important issue on November 4th, 2014. First of all, the Court finds that the Clerk's submission to the Chief Election Officer was not untimely, in that the 90-day provision in the Maui County Code Section 11-6(1) refers to the minimum number of days that must pass between the date that Council fails to enact a proposed initiative and the date of the General Election. Also, the Court finds that the proposed ballot title by itself is not misleading, let alone when read in conjunction with a valid question. Also, the Court finds that the balance of irreparable harm favors the defendant in that an injunction will potentially hinder the entire November 2014 election process. And lastly, the Court finds that the public has a strong interest in having elections that are run efficiently and competently and without unnecessary delay. Dealing first off with the 90-day provision in the
  • 26. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 26 County Code of Section 11-6(1), refers to the minimum number of days that must pass between the date the Council fails to enact a proposed initiative and the date of the General Election. Essential to this interpretation of Section 11-6 is the article "at" in the phrase, "The County Clerk shall submit the proposed or referred ordinance to the voters of the County 'at' the next General Election." Additionally, HRS Section 11-119(b) already requires the County Clerk to submit the exact wording of ballot language to the Office of Elections 75 days prior to the election. And furthermore, the Court agrees with defendant that another requirement within Maui County Section 11-6, that an initiative be printed in the newspaper 45 days before submission to the voters, if interpreted consistently with plaintiff's construction, would lead to an absurd result. Also, the Court finds that plaintiff is not likely to succeed in the merits, the ballot title is not misleading; plaintiff's assertion based upon a questionable poll that many voters only read a ballot title before casting their vote is immaterial. The Supreme Court has held that it's incumbent upon members of the public to educate and familiarize themselves with the consents and effect of laws placed on the ballot before expressing themselves at the polls. Case law cited by plaintiff refers to misleading ballot language, not misleading ballots titles, although neither
  • 27. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 27 appears to be present. Here the title, "genetically engineered organisms" is not deceptive as to what the subject of the proposed initiative encompasses. Additionally, after reading just the title, all voters can easily decipher how to express their views by referencing other materials before casting their vote. Therefore, the language of the ballot title and the ballot question, taken together, is sufficiently clear to identify the matter to show its character and purpose, and thus avoid any risk of patent and fundamental unfairness. As far as irreparable harm, the Court finds that plaintiffs have not met their burden of establishing the balance of irreparable -- excuse me. Have not met their burden of establishing the balance of irreparable harm favors the plaintiff. All harms complained of by plaintiff are speculative: "Might" cause a voter, "could" read the title, "may" erroneously cast a 'no' vote. And so on and so forth. Defendant's harms are more concrete. For example, an injunction would directly interfere with the County's duty to conduct an efficient and fair election without unnecessary delay. And lastly, far as public interest is concerned. Although plaintiffs contend that they are obligated to file this action in the interest of all Maui voters, the Court believes it is in the public interest to allow Maui voters to
  • 28. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 28 express their views at the polls this November rather than wait an additional two years, despite plaintiff's assertion that it is a fundamental right to cast an informed, accurate, and valid vote, and interfering with the right to cast a vote is an irreparable injury. Plaintiffs seem to indicate a willingness to halt the entire Maui County election process. Although it is surely within the public interest to ensure a fair voting process, the factual circumstances presented do not implicate an unfair voting process under the Maui County Carter, the Hawaii State Constitution, or the Constitution of the United States. That being so, the Court's granting defendant's motion to dissolve. I'm going to ask Mr. Rowe to prepare the order on the matter. Mr. Carroll, I granted your motion to intervene. Based on the Court's ruling, I suppose you want to me to deny the motion to consolidate. Correct? MR. CARROLL: I'm sorry, Your Honor? THE COURT: I granted your motion to intervene. Because of the Court's ruling on this motion to dissolve, I suppose you no longer want me to consolidate. Correct? Because this basically makes Wednesday's hearing moot. And you have your own restraining order sitting on my desk right now for your own preliminary injunctions, which I will get to right after this hearing.
  • 29. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 29 MR. CARROLL: Okay. That's fine, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. So can you prepare the order on your motion to intervene. So granted in part, and denied in part. MR. CARROLL: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much, counsels. MR. ROWE: Thank you, Your Honor. THE CLERK: Court is adjourned. (Proceedings concluded.)
  • 30. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Pursuant to HRS 606.13, Permission to Copy Denied 30 C E R T I F I C A T I O N I, CAMMIE GILLETT, a Registered Professional Reporter, Certified Shorthand Reporter for the State of Hawaii #438, do hereby certify that the foregoing pages comprise a full, true and correct transcript of the proceedings had in connection with the above-entitled cause. Dated this 16th day of September 2014. Sgd:/ Cammie Gillett________ Cammie Gillett, RPR, CSR #438