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Nagel’s Direct Challenge
 Death is a loss for the person who suffers it.
Since losses are bad for the person who
suffers them, death is bad for the person who
dies.
 Rosenbaum: If death is a loss, it’s unlike any
other loss we know of.
Why think death is a loss?
Explains the asymmetry between how we think
about death and how we think about pre-
conception.
Pre-Conception Death
Non-Existence Existence Non-Existence
Not Seen as Bad for Us Seen as Bad for Us
Summing Up
 Rosenbaum: Death, when understood as a
kind of non-existence, can’t be bad for the
person who dies, because we can’t
experience it. We can’t experience it, because
the state doesn’t begin to occur until after we
cease to exist, and therefore cannot cause
any effect in us.
“Where death is, you are not.”
-Epicurus

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  • 1. Nagel’s Direct Challenge  Death is a loss for the person who suffers it. Since losses are bad for the person who suffers them, death is bad for the person who dies.  Rosenbaum: If death is a loss, it’s unlike any other loss we know of.
  • 2. Why think death is a loss? Explains the asymmetry between how we think about death and how we think about pre- conception. Pre-Conception Death Non-Existence Existence Non-Existence Not Seen as Bad for Us Seen as Bad for Us
  • 3. Summing Up  Rosenbaum: Death, when understood as a kind of non-existence, can’t be bad for the person who dies, because we can’t experience it. We can’t experience it, because the state doesn’t begin to occur until after we cease to exist, and therefore cannot cause any effect in us. “Where death is, you are not.” -Epicurus