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  Agile and Modeling/MDE: Friends or Foes?   Jordi Cabot École des Mines de Nantes, Agile Tour 2010 http:// www.emn.fr/x-info/atlanmod  http://modeling-languages.com
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Index ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Index ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Introduction ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Relationship between MDA/MDD/MDE
MDE vs Programming Technical Spaces Modelware Grammarware MOF/KM3 (metametamodel) UML (metamodel) MyModel.uml EBNF.g Java.g MyProgram.java ,[object Object]
MMa MMb Ma Mb MMa2MMb.atl MMa is the source metamodel Ma is the  source model Mb is the  target model MMB is the target metamodel Key elements in MDE: Models and Model Transformations  ATL Transformation ,[object Object]
Why modeling? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Reality Check (but let’s be optimistic) ,[object Object],[object Object]
Let’s be optimistic: Technology hype cycle MDE? ,[object Object],[object Object]
Index ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Modeling in Agile? Are you serious? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Modeling and MDE are process-agnostic ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Agile Modeling ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Some Agile Modeling Principles (I) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Some Agile Modeling Principles (II) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Agile Modeling Practices  ,[object Object]
Agile MDA (I) ,[object Object],[object Object]
Agile MDA (II) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
MDD: Isn’t this Agile? Automatic Generation of a CRUD application
Isn‘t this agile? (II) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Index ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Can Agile help MDE engineers?  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Can Agile help MDE engineers? (II)  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Can Agile help MDE engineers? (III)  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Can Agile help MDE engineers? (III)  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Index ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adopting agile methods is not easy
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adopting agile methods is not easy ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adopting agile methods is not easy ,[object Object]
[object Object],Understanding the agile method is key Picture from Wikipedia
[object Object],Understanding the agile method is key (II) SPEM view of the process
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adopting agile methods is not easy ,[object Object]
How modeling can help? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Strategic Dependency model ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Strategic Dependency model (II) ,[object Object],Simplified SD model for Scrum
Strategic Rationale model ,[object Object],[object Object]
Strategic Rationale model (II) Decomposition of the “Team to be managed” responsibility  We are not inventing the contents, we are just representing them in a (hopefully) better way
Analysing the models ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Analysing the models (II) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
In the future… ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
In the future…
Conclusions ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Continuing the discussion http://modeling-languages.com [email_address] www.emn.fr/x-info/atlanmod  @softmodeling ,[object Object]

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