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           Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije




Smo pripravljeni na IPv6?



Matjaž Straus
Arnes
matjaz.straus@arnes.si
VITEL, 21.delavnica, 11.11.2008, Brdo pri Kranju
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           Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije




Smo pripravljeni na IPv6?



Matjaž Straus
Arnes
matjaz.straus@arnes.si
VITEL, 21.delavnica, 11.11.2008, Brdo pri Kranju
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       "Nov" IP protokol




!   IPv4 že četrt stoletja
   –  RFC 791, september 1981



!   10 letnica IPv6
   –  RFC 2460, december 1998
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     Vsebina



!   Zakaj IPv6?
!   IPv6 v Sloveniji
!   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES
!   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?
!   Gremo naprej!
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     Vsebina



!   Zakaj IPv6?
!   IPv6 v Sloveniji
!   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES
!   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?
!   Gremo naprej!
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Zakaj IPv6?
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     Zakaj IPv6?


!   Zmanjkalo bo IPv4-naslovnega prostora!




                          vir: Geoff Huston http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/
                                                            stanje 5.11.2008
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Zakaj IPv6?




              vir: Geoff Huston http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/
                                                stanje 7.11.2008
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 IPv6 naslovov je dovolj!



vsa IPv4 omrežja /24
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       IPv6 naslovov je dovolj!




!   ponovimo to še 2-krat
   –  milijon x milijon točk
12

IPv6 naslovov je dovolj!
13

IPv6 naslovov je dovolj!


 vsa IPv6 omrežja /64
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     Vsebina



!   Zakaj IPv6?
!   IPv6 v Sloveniji
!   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES
!   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?
!   Gremo naprej!
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      IPv6 v Sloveniji



!   6 dodeljenih IPv6-prefiksov /48
!   IPv6-prefiks za SIX




                                      vir: https://www.sixxs.net/ in Arnes
                                                         stanje 7.11.2008
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     IPv6 v Sloveniji (2)



!   AAAA (0.3% na kanin.arnes.si)
!   AAAA poizvedbe (10% !?)
!   malo prometa (1:100,000 v omrežju ARNES)

                             nekje na severu L




                                    vir: http://www.sixxs.net/ in Arnes
                                                      stanje 7.11.2008
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             IPv6 v Sloveniji (3) – testi NDT


                                                                         Hvala, Tadej! J




!   IPv4                                              !   IPv6
      –  2500 meritev                                    –  70 meritev


vir Arnes: statistika za obdobje od 10.9.-7.11.2008
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      IPv6 v Sloveniji (4)



!   vendar...

!   delovne skupine in forumi
   –  http://go6.si/
   –  http://www.ipv6.eu/ (National Task Forces)
!   že nekaj povezanih organizacij
   –  IJS, Univerza v LJ, OŠ F.Malgaja, ...
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     Vsebina



!   Zakaj IPv6?
!   IPv6 v Sloveniji
!   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES
!   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?
!   Gremo naprej!
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         IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2002:                                 prvi ping6


!   email sodelavcem:
  Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:57:43 +0200
  To: ...@arnes.si
  Subject: prvi IPv6 paketi v nasem omrezju
  From: Matjaz Straus <matjaz.straus@arnes.si>

  Pravkar je Bostjan poslal prvi native IPv6 PING med dvema hostoma
  na ARNES-u:

  [root@bandera root]# ping6 2001:0720:1500:0101::2
  PING 2001:0720:1500:0101::2(2001:720:1500:101::2) from 2001:720:1500:101::1 :
  56 data bytes
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.996 ms
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.489 ms
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.466 ms
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.472 ms
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.456 ms
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.461 ms
  64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.463 ms

  --- 2001:0720:1500:0101::2 ping statistics ---
  7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% loss, time 6010ms
  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.456/0.543/0.996/0.185 ms

  (naslovi so sposojeni iz omrezja RedIRIS, s katerimi sodelujemo v nekem testu)
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IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2002:   IPv6 v omrežju GÉANT




!   testiranje opreme
!   hitrostni rekord -
    LSR
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      IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2002:   IPv6 LSR


!   prvi IPv6 rekord z eno samo TCP sejo
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     IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2003:   2001:1470::/32



!   registracija IPv6-naslovnega prostora
!   vpeljava v hrbtenično omrežje
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               IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2004:              prva povezava organizacije



 !   priklop laboratorija FE Univerze v Ljubljani
         –  prvi traceroute6 iz tujine:
...
 8    so-5-0-0.dus10.ip6.tiscali.net (2001:668:0:2::70) 15.854 ms 10.43 ms 11.452 ms R(51.22,6.78)
 9    ldn-b1-vi9.uk.ipv6.telia.net (2001:6c0:800:1001::3) 29.105 ms 31.507 ms 76.117 ms W(59.33,18.08)
10    telia.uk1.uk.geant.net (2001:798:2028:10dd::5) 33.742 ms 30.008 ms 31.104 ms D(51.500000,-0.116667)
11    uk.fr1.fr.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1601:2801::1) 38.188 ms 39.967 ms 37.79 ms D(48.866667,2.333333)
12    fr.ch1.ch.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1201:1601::1) 44.042 ms 44.972 ms 46.651 ms D(46.200000,6.166667)
13    ch.at1.at.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1001:1201::1) 61.975 ms 61.285 ms 61.541 ms D(48.200000,16.366667)
14    at.si1.si.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1001:2601::2) 69.846 ms 70.062 ms 69.862 ms D(46.066667,14.500000)
15    arnes-gw.si1.si.geant.net (2001:798:2026:10aa::6) 70.039 ms 88.822 ms 76.418 ms D(46.066667,14.500000)
16    2001:1470:0:ff00::2 (2001:1470:0:ff00::2) 70.828 ms 102.558 ms 69.436 ms W(46.07,14.5)
17    2001:1470:fe::1:0:2 (2001:1470:fe::1:0:2) 75.574 ms 76.796 ms 88.197 ms W(46.07,14.5)
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           IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2005




!   2005
     –  priklop IJS, prvi strežniki, npr. mail.ijs.si
     –  IPv6 na SIX-u (Amis – Arnes)
           •  traceroute6 preko SIX
ARNES> traceroute6 -s 2001:1470:fe:10ff:0:7972:0:2 2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5
traceroute to 2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5 (2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5) from 2001:1470:fe:10ff:0:7972:0:2, 30 hops max,
16 byte packets
 1 rarnes2-v6-T6666.arnes.si (2001:1470:fe:10ff:0:7972:0:1) 2.396 ms 2.179 ms 2.218 ms
 2 larnes6-v6-V603.arnes.si (2001:1470:0:10ff:0:1:0:1) 1.56 ms 1.344 ms 1.207 ms
 3 larnes7-v6-V602.arnes.si (2001:1470:0:ff02::2) 1.798 ms 1.391 ms 1.506 ms
 4 2001:1470:80::8591 (2001:1470:80::8591) 1.981 ms 2.123 ms 1.734 ms
 5 maribor2-as0-0.ipv6.amis.net (2001:15c0:ffff:2::1) 4.479 ms 4.093 ms 4.379 ms
 6 firewall.medinet.si (2001:15c0:ffff:5::2) 4.181 ms 4.457 ms 3.994 ms
 7 titanic.medinet.si (2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5) 4.182 ms 4.184 ms 4.304 ms
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       IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2006...



2006
   –  mednarodno sodelovanje:
       •  videokonference
                             začetek meritev v letu 2005
       •  meritve IPv6 OWD




!   2007
   –  prvi "native" IPv6 priklop (Metulj Uni.Lj.)
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       IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – letos     IPv6?



!   sekundarni DNS za .EU
!   konferenca SIRIKT
!   testi za priklop strežnikov
   –  load-balancer
   –  firewall


!   prvi Arnesovi strežniki (NTP stratum 1, orodje NDT)
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     Vsebina



!   Zakaj IPv6?
!   IPv6 v Sloveniji
!   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES
!   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?
!   Gremo naprej!
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      Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?



!   IPv4-naslovov je dovolj, saj imamo 10.0.0.0/8!
!   IPv6 ni zastonj
                               IPv6?
!   malo storitev
   –  zakaj potem omrežja?
   –  če ni omrežij, kako potem storitve?

   Razklenimo ta krog!
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     Vsebina



!   Zakaj IPv6?
!   IPv6 v Sloveniji
!   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES
!   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6?
!   Gremo naprej!
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      Gremo naprej!



!   izobraževanje
   –  delavnica na SIRIKT 2009
!   Arnesovi strežniki

!   Eduroam v6

!   študentsko naselje v6   inet6num:
                            netname:
                                        2001:1470:faca::/48
                                        STUD-DOM-LJ-IPv6-NET
                            descr:      Studentski domovi v Ljubljani
                            descr:      Ljubljana
                            descr:      Slovenia
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           Sodelujmo!

Ukrepajmo zdaj!                              !   prostih IPv4-naslovov kmalu ne bo
                                                 več!
Vsak vaš prispevek je pomemben!
                                             !   od svojega ISP-ja že danes
!   izmenjujmo mnenja in znanje                  zahtevajmo IPv6-naslovni prostor
    –  forumi, task-force, praksa – dovolj   !   jasno povejmo, da potrebujemo IPv6
       je bilo teorije!                          –  izberimo tistega ISP-ja, ki ima IPv6
!   izobražujmo in ne skrivajmo              !   zahtevajmo storitve
!   podpirajmo napredne                          –  zavrnimo aplikacije, ki ne podpirajo
!   nagradimo napredne                              IPv6 – te so zastarele!
    –  omogočimo jim nakup opreme,           !   zahtevajmo opremo in omrežja
       šolanje, ...                              –  NE visokim doplačilom za IPv6
!   IPv6 je tu! Ne obnašajmo se, ko                 funkcionalnost! Cisco, Juniper, kaj je
    da ga ni!                                       zdaj to!?
!   za mlade: "IPv6 je cool!"                !   najbolj trmaste pa prisilimo:
                                                 –  EU in vladne direktive
!   za podjetne: "IPv6 je priložnost!"
                                                 –  standardi, brez katerih ni posla
    –  beri: "Denar!"
                                             !   majhne laži v dobrobit IPv6 so
                                                 dovoljene
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Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije




                              Hvala!
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Vitel, 21. delavnica: Smo pripravljeni na IPv6

  • 1. 1 Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije Smo pripravljeni na IPv6? Matjaž Straus Arnes matjaz.straus@arnes.si VITEL, 21.delavnica, 11.11.2008, Brdo pri Kranju
  • 2. 2
  • 3. 3 Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije Smo pripravljeni na IPv6? Matjaž Straus Arnes matjaz.straus@arnes.si VITEL, 21.delavnica, 11.11.2008, Brdo pri Kranju
  • 4. 4 "Nov" IP protokol !   IPv4 že četrt stoletja –  RFC 791, september 1981 !   10 letnica IPv6 –  RFC 2460, december 1998
  • 5. 5 Vsebina !   Zakaj IPv6? !   IPv6 v Sloveniji !   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES !   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   Gremo naprej!
  • 6. 6 Vsebina !   Zakaj IPv6? !   IPv6 v Sloveniji !   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES !   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   Gremo naprej!
  • 8. 8 Zakaj IPv6? !   Zmanjkalo bo IPv4-naslovnega prostora! vir: Geoff Huston http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ stanje 5.11.2008
  • 9. 9 Zakaj IPv6? vir: Geoff Huston http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ stanje 7.11.2008
  • 10. 10 IPv6 naslovov je dovolj! vsa IPv4 omrežja /24
  • 11. 11 IPv6 naslovov je dovolj! !   ponovimo to še 2-krat –  milijon x milijon točk
  • 13. 13 IPv6 naslovov je dovolj! vsa IPv6 omrežja /64
  • 14. 14 Vsebina !   Zakaj IPv6? !   IPv6 v Sloveniji !   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES !   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   Gremo naprej!
  • 15. 15 IPv6 v Sloveniji !   6 dodeljenih IPv6-prefiksov /48 !   IPv6-prefiks za SIX vir: https://www.sixxs.net/ in Arnes stanje 7.11.2008
  • 16. 16 IPv6 v Sloveniji (2) !   AAAA (0.3% na kanin.arnes.si) !   AAAA poizvedbe (10% !?) !   malo prometa (1:100,000 v omrežju ARNES) nekje na severu L vir: http://www.sixxs.net/ in Arnes stanje 7.11.2008
  • 17. 17 IPv6 v Sloveniji (3) – testi NDT Hvala, Tadej! J !   IPv4 !   IPv6 –  2500 meritev –  70 meritev vir Arnes: statistika za obdobje od 10.9.-7.11.2008
  • 18. 18 IPv6 v Sloveniji (4) !   vendar... !   delovne skupine in forumi –  http://go6.si/ –  http://www.ipv6.eu/ (National Task Forces) !   že nekaj povezanih organizacij –  IJS, Univerza v LJ, OŠ F.Malgaja, ...
  • 19. 19 Vsebina !   Zakaj IPv6? !   IPv6 v Sloveniji !   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES !   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   Gremo naprej!
  • 20. 20 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2002: prvi ping6 !   email sodelavcem: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:57:43 +0200 To: ...@arnes.si Subject: prvi IPv6 paketi v nasem omrezju From: Matjaz Straus <matjaz.straus@arnes.si> Pravkar je Bostjan poslal prvi native IPv6 PING med dvema hostoma na ARNES-u: [root@bandera root]# ping6 2001:0720:1500:0101::2 PING 2001:0720:1500:0101::2(2001:720:1500:101::2) from 2001:720:1500:101::1 : 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.996 ms 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.489 ms 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.466 ms 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.472 ms 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.456 ms 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.461 ms 64 bytes from 2001:720:1500:101::2: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.463 ms --- 2001:0720:1500:0101::2 ping statistics --- 7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% loss, time 6010ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.456/0.543/0.996/0.185 ms (naslovi so sposojeni iz omrezja RedIRIS, s katerimi sodelujemo v nekem testu)
  • 21. 21 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2002: IPv6 v omrežju GÉANT !   testiranje opreme !   hitrostni rekord - LSR
  • 22. 22 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2002: IPv6 LSR !   prvi IPv6 rekord z eno samo TCP sejo
  • 23. 23 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2003: 2001:1470::/32 !   registracija IPv6-naslovnega prostora !   vpeljava v hrbtenično omrežje
  • 24. 24 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2004: prva povezava organizacije !   priklop laboratorija FE Univerze v Ljubljani –  prvi traceroute6 iz tujine: ... 8 so-5-0-0.dus10.ip6.tiscali.net (2001:668:0:2::70) 15.854 ms 10.43 ms 11.452 ms R(51.22,6.78) 9 ldn-b1-vi9.uk.ipv6.telia.net (2001:6c0:800:1001::3) 29.105 ms 31.507 ms 76.117 ms W(59.33,18.08) 10 telia.uk1.uk.geant.net (2001:798:2028:10dd::5) 33.742 ms 30.008 ms 31.104 ms D(51.500000,-0.116667) 11 uk.fr1.fr.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1601:2801::1) 38.188 ms 39.967 ms 37.79 ms D(48.866667,2.333333) 12 fr.ch1.ch.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1201:1601::1) 44.042 ms 44.972 ms 46.651 ms D(46.200000,6.166667) 13 ch.at1.at.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1001:1201::1) 61.975 ms 61.285 ms 61.541 ms D(48.200000,16.366667) 14 at.si1.si.geant.net (2001:798:20cc:1001:2601::2) 69.846 ms 70.062 ms 69.862 ms D(46.066667,14.500000) 15 arnes-gw.si1.si.geant.net (2001:798:2026:10aa::6) 70.039 ms 88.822 ms 76.418 ms D(46.066667,14.500000) 16 2001:1470:0:ff00::2 (2001:1470:0:ff00::2) 70.828 ms 102.558 ms 69.436 ms W(46.07,14.5) 17 2001:1470:fe::1:0:2 (2001:1470:fe::1:0:2) 75.574 ms 76.796 ms 88.197 ms W(46.07,14.5)
  • 25. 25 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2005 !   2005 –  priklop IJS, prvi strežniki, npr. mail.ijs.si –  IPv6 na SIX-u (Amis – Arnes) •  traceroute6 preko SIX ARNES> traceroute6 -s 2001:1470:fe:10ff:0:7972:0:2 2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5 traceroute to 2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5 (2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5) from 2001:1470:fe:10ff:0:7972:0:2, 30 hops max, 16 byte packets 1 rarnes2-v6-T6666.arnes.si (2001:1470:fe:10ff:0:7972:0:1) 2.396 ms 2.179 ms 2.218 ms 2 larnes6-v6-V603.arnes.si (2001:1470:0:10ff:0:1:0:1) 1.56 ms 1.344 ms 1.207 ms 3 larnes7-v6-V602.arnes.si (2001:1470:0:ff02::2) 1.798 ms 1.391 ms 1.506 ms 4 2001:1470:80::8591 (2001:1470:80::8591) 1.981 ms 2.123 ms 1.734 ms 5 maribor2-as0-0.ipv6.amis.net (2001:15c0:ffff:2::1) 4.479 ms 4.093 ms 4.379 ms 6 firewall.medinet.si (2001:15c0:ffff:5::2) 4.181 ms 4.457 ms 3.994 ms 7 titanic.medinet.si (2001:15c0:ffff:4242::5) 4.182 ms 4.184 ms 4.304 ms
  • 26. 26 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – 2006... 2006 –  mednarodno sodelovanje: •  videokonference začetek meritev v letu 2005 •  meritve IPv6 OWD !   2007 –  prvi "native" IPv6 priklop (Metulj Uni.Lj.)
  • 27. 27 IPv6 v omrežju ARNES – letos IPv6? !   sekundarni DNS za .EU !   konferenca SIRIKT !   testi za priklop strežnikov –  load-balancer –  firewall !   prvi Arnesovi strežniki (NTP stratum 1, orodje NDT)
  • 28. 28 Vsebina !   Zakaj IPv6? !   IPv6 v Sloveniji !   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES !   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   Gremo naprej!
  • 29. 29 Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   IPv4-naslovov je dovolj, saj imamo 10.0.0.0/8! !   IPv6 ni zastonj IPv6? !   malo storitev –  zakaj potem omrežja? –  če ni omrežij, kako potem storitve? Razklenimo ta krog!
  • 30. 30 Vsebina !   Zakaj IPv6? !   IPv6 v Sloveniji !   IPv6 v omrežju ARNES !   Zakaj tako malo zanimanja za IPv6? !   Gremo naprej!
  • 31. 31 Gremo naprej! !   izobraževanje –  delavnica na SIRIKT 2009 !   Arnesovi strežniki !   Eduroam v6 !   študentsko naselje v6 inet6num: netname: 2001:1470:faca::/48 STUD-DOM-LJ-IPv6-NET descr: Studentski domovi v Ljubljani descr: Ljubljana descr: Slovenia
  • 32. 32 Sodelujmo! Ukrepajmo zdaj! !   prostih IPv4-naslovov kmalu ne bo več! Vsak vaš prispevek je pomemben! !   od svojega ISP-ja že danes !   izmenjujmo mnenja in znanje zahtevajmo IPv6-naslovni prostor –  forumi, task-force, praksa – dovolj !   jasno povejmo, da potrebujemo IPv6 je bilo teorije! –  izberimo tistega ISP-ja, ki ima IPv6 !   izobražujmo in ne skrivajmo !   zahtevajmo storitve !   podpirajmo napredne –  zavrnimo aplikacije, ki ne podpirajo !   nagradimo napredne IPv6 – te so zastarele! –  omogočimo jim nakup opreme, !   zahtevajmo opremo in omrežja šolanje, ... –  NE visokim doplačilom za IPv6 !   IPv6 je tu! Ne obnašajmo se, ko funkcionalnost! Cisco, Juniper, kaj je da ga ni! zdaj to!? !   za mlade: "IPv6 je cool!" !   najbolj trmaste pa prisilimo: –  EU in vladne direktive !   za podjetne: "IPv6 je priložnost!" –  standardi, brez katerih ni posla –  beri: "Denar!" !   majhne laži v dobrobit IPv6 so dovoljene
  • 33. 33 Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije Hvala!
  • 34. 34 Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije Še je nekaj časa za pogovor! Vprašanja? IPv4 countdown