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Libertarian Ethics, Lecture 5
Hoppe’s Ethics
Rothbard vs. Mises
●Danny last week raised some very
interesting questions about Rothbard’s
ethics.
●Where do consequences, and in
particular economic consequences,
come into Rothbard’s ethics?
●I think that consequences have a place
in Rothbard’s ethics in two ways.
Consequences and Rothbard
●First, when Rothbard is considering the
various alternatives to self-ownership
such as slavery and universal
ownership by everybody of parts of
everybody else, he takes the fact that
the alternatives wouldn’t work as
conclusive reasons against them.
Consequences Continued
●Second, the basis of Rothbard’s version
of natural law is what human beings
need to flourish. “Flourishing” mans
“leading a happy life.”
●Consequences are thus integral to
Rothbard’s ethics.
Metaphysical Baggage
●One objection to Rothbard is that he
makes use of a controversial
assumption---people have essences or
natures. He speaks of natural
“tendencies” even though no conscious
goals are involved.
●Mises can get along without this
assumption. Isn’t this an advantage of
Problems for Mises
●I think that this is an advantage for
Mises over Rothbard. But there are
some disadvantages as well.
●One of these comes out if we think
about Danny’s excellent “parachuting
fallacy”. The fallacy is to think that
Mises can tell us in each particular case
why it is our interest to follow the rules
Parachuting
●I think it is correct that Mises doesn’t try to do
this. He is rather talking about general rules
that would make us better off if everyone
followed them.
●But this raises a question. What then is the
basis of moral obligation in particular cases?
Not, why is it in my interest now to act
morally, but what does it mean to say that I
now ought to do something?
Mises on “Ought”
●For Mises, there are no objective
“oughts”, other than hypothetical
oughts.
●We have been trained or conditioned to
feel guilty if we act in certain ways, but
there is nothing to “ought” other than
these responses that have been
inculcated in us.
●This strikes me as a wildly
Habermas and Apel
●Hoppe was a student of Juergen Habermas
who developed discourse or argumentation
ethics.
●Another German philosopher, Karl-Otto Apel,
came up with a very similar approach.
●These writers aren’t libertarians. Habermas
began as a Marxist associated with the
Frankfurt School. Although he has become
more moderate than he was in his younger
days, he is still well to the left-of-center.
A Fundamental Mistake
●Discourse ethics, as Habermas and
Apel develop it, is an attempt to
discover the rules of conduct toward
one another that people would
reasonably accept.
●It is not an attempt to show that certain
moral judgments are requirements of
logic, i.e, that if you reject AE, you are
Types of Reason
●When we talk about reason, we can mean:
●Logical consistency: Here, someone who
violates logical laws has gone against reason,
but not otherwise. Suppose, e.g., that
someone does something very much against
his interest, e.g., walk into moving traffic.
Unless you can show that doing this violates
a logical law, it isn’t irrational in the logical
sense.
Hume on Reason
●Hume was famously skeptical about the
possibility of showing that actions were
irrational in this logical sense:
●“Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the
destruction of the whole world to the
scratching of my finger.
Quotation Continued
●‘Tis not contrary to reason for me to
chuse my total ruin, to prevent the least
uneasiness of an Indian or person
wholly unknown to me. ‘Tis as little
contrary to reason to prefer even my
own acknowledg’d lesser good to my
greater, and to have a more ardent
affection for the former than the latter.”
Instrumental Reason
●Reason can mean something other than
logical consistency. It can deal with
whether your means will achieve your
ends.
●Given that I want x, I should do do y.
Mises uses this meaning of reason. He
argues that given the ends people have,
we should establish a free market.
Reason and the Good Life
●Another sense of reason goes beyond
instrumental rationality. Here, the claim is that
reason can establish the nature of the good
life for each person.
●Aristotle and Rothbard can be viewed in this
way.
●Ayn Rand thought that values depend on
each person taking his own life as the highest
value. Other values are instrumental to this
value.
Argumentation Ethics and
Reason
●AE uses a different sense of reason
from the ones discussed so far.
●Here the issue is, what would it be
reasonable for people to agree on,
under the requirement that they agree
on rules that apply to everyone equally.
●These rules express our respect for
persons.
AE and Reason, Continued
●The basic idea here comes from the second
version of Kant’s Categorical Imperative. This
requires us to treat every person as an end-
in-himself, not as only as a means.
●AE says that they way we do this is to reason
together about the norms that should apply in
our relations with each other.
●AE applies only to this part of morality. It
doesn’t apply to ethical issues that concern
how to lead a good life.
Two Mistakes to Avoid
●AE is not trying to answer the “what’s in it for
me?” question. It isn’t an attempt to argue
that it’s in our self-interest to observe the
rules it comes up with. That is a different
approach to morality.
●AE isn’t an attempt to say that you are
violating the laws of logic if you violate its
rules. As we’ll see, this leads to trouble later.
How to Get the Rules
●Habermas and Apel have an interesting
idea on how to find out what rules
people would agree on. They say,
doesn’t the process of trying to find out
the rules itself impose certain
requirements on us?
●This is what they mean by discourse or
argumentation ethics
Another Mistake
●The claim they make is that argumentation for
this purpose, i.e., to decide on universalizable
rules, imposes certain norms.
●AE doesn’t cover every use of argument or
communication, e.g., trying to deceive
someone. It doesn’t cover Danny Sanchez’s
fable of the lion. The lion says, “I’m talking to
you because you are inedible.”
An Objection
●One objection sometimes advanced against
AE is that the norms it come up with apply
only to the process of argument itself. If, e.g.,
you have to recognize that everyone is a self-
owner when he argues, why does this apply
once you stop arguing?
●This misconceives what AE is trying to do.
The point is that the norms of argument
suggest what the general norms should be.
Hoppe’s Innovation
●Hoppe suggests that the AE norms
would be libertarian.
●Wouldn’t people accept the rule that
everyone was a self-owner? If someone
suggested that one group of people
should enslave others, this wouldn’t win
agreement. This is an important point.
Performative Contradictions
●To understand the next argument we
have to grasp the notion of a pragmatic
paradox or performative contradiction.
●This is different from a logical
contradiction, e.g., “HHH is both
German and non-German”.
●.
Quotation Continued
●A performative contradiction is a
statement that is false if you say it. E.g,
you could say “I am totally
unconscious”, only if you were
conscious, so your saying it shows the
statement is false. Note that the
statement need not be self-
contradictory. I could be unconscious:
Self-Ownership and
Performative Contradiction
●Is it a performative contradiction if you deny
that you own yourself? Suppose you say, “I
don’t own myself.” Could you say this only if
you do own yourself?
●Why is there supposed to be a performative
contradiction? The contention is that in order
to say something, you must have control over
your own body. But just what you are implying
if you deny that you own yourself is that you
don’t have such control.
A Bad Objection
●Some people have objected, “Maybe
you only need part of your body in order
to speak, so you are not guilty of a
performative contradiction unless you
deny that you own any part of yourself.”
●Both the original claim of performative
contradiction and this objection suffer
from the same mistake
What Is Self-Ownership?
●The statement “I own myself” is
deceptive in its form. It appears to be a
descriptive statement, one stating a
fact, like “I am an old man.”
●But it really isn’t descriptive. It’s a covert
ought-statement, something like, “I
ought to be the person who gets to
decide what to do with my body, not
Why Is This Relevant?
●If this is kept in mind, we’ll see what is
wrong with the claim that if you deny
you own yourself, you have fallen into a
performative contradiction.
●If someone denies that he owns
himself, he is saying, “It’s not the case
that I ought to be the person who
decides what to do with my body”.
Relevance Continued
●Then, if you say to this person, “But
you’re speaking!”, you haven’t pointed
to a contradiction.
●If you say, “It’s not the case that I ought
to be the person who decides what to
do with my body,” this is consistent with
the fact that you are deciding what to do
with your body.
William Wollaston
●Why might one think that there was a
contradiction?
●You might think that if I’m doing
something, this implies that I think I
have a right to do it , but this need not
be true. If a thief steals your wallet, he
need not in doing so implicitly claim to
own it.
Wollaston Continued
●The English philosopher William
Wollaston (1659-1754) argued that all
immorality rests on lies. A thief has
made the false claim, “This property is
mine.” This is the fallacy we have just
discussed.
Property
●This leaves intact the basic contention
that it wouldn’t be reasonable for people
seeking agreement on universal
principles to reject self-ownership.
●Also, it seems reasonable to think that
people might agree on a libertarian
homesteading principle. But why need
this be the only logically possible rule?
Property Continued
●All sorts of rules are logically possible.
What’s contradictory about saying, the
third person to own property acquires
it? This would not make property
acquisition impossible.
●Of course, the libertarian principle is
reasonable, but we shouldn’t make
stronger claims for it than are justifiable.

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Libertarian Ethics, Lecture 5 with David Gordon - Mises Academy

  • 1. Libertarian Ethics, Lecture 5 Hoppe’s Ethics
  • 2. Rothbard vs. Mises ●Danny last week raised some very interesting questions about Rothbard’s ethics. ●Where do consequences, and in particular economic consequences, come into Rothbard’s ethics? ●I think that consequences have a place in Rothbard’s ethics in two ways.
  • 3. Consequences and Rothbard ●First, when Rothbard is considering the various alternatives to self-ownership such as slavery and universal ownership by everybody of parts of everybody else, he takes the fact that the alternatives wouldn’t work as conclusive reasons against them.
  • 4. Consequences Continued ●Second, the basis of Rothbard’s version of natural law is what human beings need to flourish. “Flourishing” mans “leading a happy life.” ●Consequences are thus integral to Rothbard’s ethics.
  • 5. Metaphysical Baggage ●One objection to Rothbard is that he makes use of a controversial assumption---people have essences or natures. He speaks of natural “tendencies” even though no conscious goals are involved. ●Mises can get along without this assumption. Isn’t this an advantage of
  • 6. Problems for Mises ●I think that this is an advantage for Mises over Rothbard. But there are some disadvantages as well. ●One of these comes out if we think about Danny’s excellent “parachuting fallacy”. The fallacy is to think that Mises can tell us in each particular case why it is our interest to follow the rules
  • 7. Parachuting ●I think it is correct that Mises doesn’t try to do this. He is rather talking about general rules that would make us better off if everyone followed them. ●But this raises a question. What then is the basis of moral obligation in particular cases? Not, why is it in my interest now to act morally, but what does it mean to say that I now ought to do something?
  • 8. Mises on “Ought” ●For Mises, there are no objective “oughts”, other than hypothetical oughts. ●We have been trained or conditioned to feel guilty if we act in certain ways, but there is nothing to “ought” other than these responses that have been inculcated in us. ●This strikes me as a wildly
  • 9. Habermas and Apel ●Hoppe was a student of Juergen Habermas who developed discourse or argumentation ethics. ●Another German philosopher, Karl-Otto Apel, came up with a very similar approach. ●These writers aren’t libertarians. Habermas began as a Marxist associated with the Frankfurt School. Although he has become more moderate than he was in his younger days, he is still well to the left-of-center.
  • 10. A Fundamental Mistake ●Discourse ethics, as Habermas and Apel develop it, is an attempt to discover the rules of conduct toward one another that people would reasonably accept. ●It is not an attempt to show that certain moral judgments are requirements of logic, i.e, that if you reject AE, you are
  • 11. Types of Reason ●When we talk about reason, we can mean: ●Logical consistency: Here, someone who violates logical laws has gone against reason, but not otherwise. Suppose, e.g., that someone does something very much against his interest, e.g., walk into moving traffic. Unless you can show that doing this violates a logical law, it isn’t irrational in the logical sense.
  • 12. Hume on Reason ●Hume was famously skeptical about the possibility of showing that actions were irrational in this logical sense: ●“Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger.
  • 13. Quotation Continued ●‘Tis not contrary to reason for me to chuse my total ruin, to prevent the least uneasiness of an Indian or person wholly unknown to me. ‘Tis as little contrary to reason to prefer even my own acknowledg’d lesser good to my greater, and to have a more ardent affection for the former than the latter.”
  • 14. Instrumental Reason ●Reason can mean something other than logical consistency. It can deal with whether your means will achieve your ends. ●Given that I want x, I should do do y. Mises uses this meaning of reason. He argues that given the ends people have, we should establish a free market.
  • 15. Reason and the Good Life ●Another sense of reason goes beyond instrumental rationality. Here, the claim is that reason can establish the nature of the good life for each person. ●Aristotle and Rothbard can be viewed in this way. ●Ayn Rand thought that values depend on each person taking his own life as the highest value. Other values are instrumental to this value.
  • 16. Argumentation Ethics and Reason ●AE uses a different sense of reason from the ones discussed so far. ●Here the issue is, what would it be reasonable for people to agree on, under the requirement that they agree on rules that apply to everyone equally. ●These rules express our respect for persons.
  • 17. AE and Reason, Continued ●The basic idea here comes from the second version of Kant’s Categorical Imperative. This requires us to treat every person as an end- in-himself, not as only as a means. ●AE says that they way we do this is to reason together about the norms that should apply in our relations with each other. ●AE applies only to this part of morality. It doesn’t apply to ethical issues that concern how to lead a good life.
  • 18. Two Mistakes to Avoid ●AE is not trying to answer the “what’s in it for me?” question. It isn’t an attempt to argue that it’s in our self-interest to observe the rules it comes up with. That is a different approach to morality. ●AE isn’t an attempt to say that you are violating the laws of logic if you violate its rules. As we’ll see, this leads to trouble later.
  • 19. How to Get the Rules ●Habermas and Apel have an interesting idea on how to find out what rules people would agree on. They say, doesn’t the process of trying to find out the rules itself impose certain requirements on us? ●This is what they mean by discourse or argumentation ethics
  • 20. Another Mistake ●The claim they make is that argumentation for this purpose, i.e., to decide on universalizable rules, imposes certain norms. ●AE doesn’t cover every use of argument or communication, e.g., trying to deceive someone. It doesn’t cover Danny Sanchez’s fable of the lion. The lion says, “I’m talking to you because you are inedible.”
  • 21. An Objection ●One objection sometimes advanced against AE is that the norms it come up with apply only to the process of argument itself. If, e.g., you have to recognize that everyone is a self- owner when he argues, why does this apply once you stop arguing? ●This misconceives what AE is trying to do. The point is that the norms of argument suggest what the general norms should be.
  • 22. Hoppe’s Innovation ●Hoppe suggests that the AE norms would be libertarian. ●Wouldn’t people accept the rule that everyone was a self-owner? If someone suggested that one group of people should enslave others, this wouldn’t win agreement. This is an important point.
  • 23. Performative Contradictions ●To understand the next argument we have to grasp the notion of a pragmatic paradox or performative contradiction. ●This is different from a logical contradiction, e.g., “HHH is both German and non-German”. ●.
  • 24. Quotation Continued ●A performative contradiction is a statement that is false if you say it. E.g, you could say “I am totally unconscious”, only if you were conscious, so your saying it shows the statement is false. Note that the statement need not be self- contradictory. I could be unconscious:
  • 25. Self-Ownership and Performative Contradiction ●Is it a performative contradiction if you deny that you own yourself? Suppose you say, “I don’t own myself.” Could you say this only if you do own yourself? ●Why is there supposed to be a performative contradiction? The contention is that in order to say something, you must have control over your own body. But just what you are implying if you deny that you own yourself is that you don’t have such control.
  • 26. A Bad Objection ●Some people have objected, “Maybe you only need part of your body in order to speak, so you are not guilty of a performative contradiction unless you deny that you own any part of yourself.” ●Both the original claim of performative contradiction and this objection suffer from the same mistake
  • 27. What Is Self-Ownership? ●The statement “I own myself” is deceptive in its form. It appears to be a descriptive statement, one stating a fact, like “I am an old man.” ●But it really isn’t descriptive. It’s a covert ought-statement, something like, “I ought to be the person who gets to decide what to do with my body, not
  • 28. Why Is This Relevant? ●If this is kept in mind, we’ll see what is wrong with the claim that if you deny you own yourself, you have fallen into a performative contradiction. ●If someone denies that he owns himself, he is saying, “It’s not the case that I ought to be the person who decides what to do with my body”.
  • 29. Relevance Continued ●Then, if you say to this person, “But you’re speaking!”, you haven’t pointed to a contradiction. ●If you say, “It’s not the case that I ought to be the person who decides what to do with my body,” this is consistent with the fact that you are deciding what to do with your body.
  • 30. William Wollaston ●Why might one think that there was a contradiction? ●You might think that if I’m doing something, this implies that I think I have a right to do it , but this need not be true. If a thief steals your wallet, he need not in doing so implicitly claim to own it.
  • 31. Wollaston Continued ●The English philosopher William Wollaston (1659-1754) argued that all immorality rests on lies. A thief has made the false claim, “This property is mine.” This is the fallacy we have just discussed.
  • 32. Property ●This leaves intact the basic contention that it wouldn’t be reasonable for people seeking agreement on universal principles to reject self-ownership. ●Also, it seems reasonable to think that people might agree on a libertarian homesteading principle. But why need this be the only logically possible rule?
  • 33. Property Continued ●All sorts of rules are logically possible. What’s contradictory about saying, the third person to own property acquires it? This would not make property acquisition impossible. ●Of course, the libertarian principle is reasonable, but we shouldn’t make stronger claims for it than are justifiable.