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58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 17 139  115 3.1  17 16 1.0
Determine the primary acid-base disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary acid-base disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary acid-base disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Metabolic Acidosis 7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula Appropriately compensated metabolic acidosis 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object]
[object Object],It is either chloride Non-Anion Gap Metabolic Acidosis
[object Object],It is either chloride Non-Anion Gap Metabolic Acidosis Or it is not chloride Anion Gap Metabolic Acidosis
[object Object],[object Object],It is either chloride Non-Anion Gap Metabolic Acidosis Or it is not chloride Anion Gap Metabolic Acidosis
Anion gap =
Anion gap =
Anion gap =
Anion gap =
Calculating the anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],139  115 3.1  17 16 1.0
Calculating the anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],139  115 3.1  17 16 1.0
Calculating the anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Appropriately compensated  non-anion gap metabolic acidosis 139  115 3.1  17 16 1.0
NAGMA: Loss of bicarbonate GI loss of HCO 3 Diarrhea Surgical drains Fistulas Ureterosigmoidostomy Obstructed ureteroileostomy Cholestyramine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
NAGMA: Loss of bicarbonate GI loss of HCO 3 Diarrhea Surgical drains Fistulas Ureterosigmoidostomy Obstructed ureteroileostomy Cholestyramine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
NAGMA: Loss of bicarbonate GI loss of HCO 3 Diarrhea Surgical drains Fistulas Ureterosigmoidostomy Obstructed ureteroileostomy Cholestyramine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
Plasma Bile Pancreas Small intestines Large intestines 140  102 4.4  24 135  100 5.0  35 135  50 5.0  90 135  50 5.0  90 110  90 35  40
 
Urine pH=5.5 Serum pH=7.4 100 fold difference
Ureterosigmoidostomy Urine pH=5.5 Serum pH=7.4 100 fold difference
Ureterosigmoidostomy Ureteroileostomy Urine pH=5.5 Serum pH=7.4 100 fold difference
Renal causes of non-anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Bicarbonate handling ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],3456 mmol/day 50-100 mmol/day
Bicarbonate handling ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],3456 mmol/day 50-100 mmol/day
Proximal tubule: reabsorption of filtered bicarbonate
Proximal tubule: reabsorption of filtered bicarbonate
Proximal tubule: reabsorption of filtered bicarbonate
Distal tubule, completion of reabsorption and replacing bicarbonate lost to the daily acid load.
Distal tubule, completion of reabsorption and replacing bicarbonate lost to the daily acid load.
Distal tubule, completion of reabsorption and replacing bicarbonate lost to the daily acid load.
Fate of excreted hydrogen ion The minimal urine pH is 4.5. This is a H +  concentration a 1000 times that of plasma.
Fate of excreted hydrogen ion The minimal urine pH is 4.5. This is a H +  concentration a 1000 times that of plasma. But It still is only 0.04 mmol/L
Fate of excreted hydrogen ion The minimal urine pH is 4.5. This is a H +  concentration a 1000 times that of plasma. But It still is only 0.04 mmol/L In order to excrete 50 mmol (to produce enough bicarb-onate to account for the daily acid load) one would need to produce 1250 liters of urine.
Fate of excreted hydrogen ion Ammonium Titratable acid
Proximal RTA (Type 2) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Na + H 2 O HCO 3 Glucose Amino Acids
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Proximal RTA (Type 2) 24 mmol/L 15 mmol/L pH 8
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Proximal RTA (Type 2) 15 mmol/L 15 mmol/L pH 5
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Proximal RTA (Type 2) 12 mmol/L 12 mmol/L pH 5
Proximal RTA: etiologies ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Proximal RTA: consequences ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA (Type 1) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA:  Voltage dependent ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA:  Voltage dependent ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA:  Voltage dependent ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA:  Voltage dependent ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA:  H +  Secretion ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Distal RTA:  Gradient defect ,[object Object]
Distal RTA: consequences ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Well Mr. Osborne, it may not be kidney stones after all.
Hypoaldosteronism ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Diagnosing the cause of: non-anion gap metabolic acidosis
To look for renal H +  clearance look for urinary ammonium Ammonium Titratable acid
To look for renal H +  clearance look for urinary ammonium Ammonium Titratable acid NH 4 +
Urinary anion gap:  Urinary ammonium detector ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],(Na +  + K + ) – Cl –
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object]
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object]
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],15 mmol/L 15 mmol/L pH 5
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],15 mmol/L 15 mmol/L pH 5
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],24 mmol/L 15 mmol/L pH 8
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],24 mmol/L 15 mmol/L pH 8
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],12 mmol/L 12 mmol/L pH 5
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],12 mmol/L 12 mmol/L pH 5
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
NAGMA and urinary anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 16 U/A pH 6.5 Urine electrolytes 139  115 3.1  17 16 1.0 80  115 45
58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 16 U/A pH 6.5 Urine electrolytes Appropriately compensated non-anion gap metabolic acidosis due to distal RTA  139  115 3.1  17 16 1.0 80  115 45
74 y.o. female with 34 year history of DM c/o weakness 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 16 Albumin 1.8 139  123 6.6  17 21 1.2
Determine the primary disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Determine the primary disorder ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Metabolic Acidosis 7.34  / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3 7.34   / 87  /  33  /  16 pH  /  pO2    /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Predicting pCO 2  in metabolic acidosis: Winter’s Formula Appropriately compensated metabolic acidosis 7.33 / 87 / 33 / 17 pH  /  pO2  /  pCO 2  /  HCO 3
Calculating the anion gap ,[object Object],139  123 6.6  17 16 1.0
Calculating the anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],139  123 6.6  17 16 1.0
Calculating the anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],A negative anion gap! That’s got to mean something! 139  123 6.6  17 16 1.0
Hypoalbuminuria, hypophosphatemia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Hypoalbuminuria, hypophosphatemia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Hypoalbuminuria, hypophosphatemia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adjusted Normal Anion Gap
Hypoalbuminuria, hypophosphatemia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adjusted Normal Anion Gap
Hypoalbuminuria, hypophosphatemia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Adjusted Normal Anion Gap
Other causes of a low anion gap ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Albumin Phos IgA Chloride Bicarb Sodium Potassium Calcium Magnesium IgG Normal anion gap
Recent lab history
Diagnose the cause of: non-anion gap metabolic  acidosis with hyperkalemia
Diagnose the cause of: non-anion gap metabolic  acidosis with hyperkalemia ,[object Object]
Diagnose the cause of: non-anion gap metabolic  acidosis with hyperkalemia ,[object Object],[object Object]
A dipstick for aldosterone activity: The trans-tubular potassium gradient The TTKG
Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG)
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG)
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG)
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG)
[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object]
[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],Fluid leaving the LoH has an osmolality  of 100 mOsm/Kg
[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],Fluid leaving the LoH has an osmolality  of 100 mOsm/Kg In the presence of ADH water leaves the DCT so that the tubular fluid becomes isosmotic
[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],Fluid leaving the LoH has an osmolality  of 100 mOsm/Kg In the presence of ADH water leaves the DCT so that the tubular fluid becomes isosmotic
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) Lets play low normal or high!  TTKG and Aldo level
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Lets play low normal or high!  TTKG and Aldo level
[object Object],[object Object],Trans-tubular Potassium Gradient (TTKG) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Lets play low normal or high!  TTKG and Aldo level
58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches
58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches Both the bicarbonate and potassium were normal at admission. This is hospital acquired RTA (type 1 or 4)
[object Object],[object Object],Hospital acquired RTA really means drug induced RTA
[object Object],[object Object],Hospital acquired RTA really means drug induced RTA Lets play: Name that drug!
[object Object],[object Object],Hospital acquired RTA really means drug induced RTA ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Lets play: Name that drug!
[object Object],[object Object],Hospital acquired RTA really means drug induced RTA ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Lets play: Name that drug!
[object Object],[object Object],58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches
[object Object],[object Object],58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches Patient’s TTKG was 2.7 with a K of 5.7 Aldosterone was 22 The patient had been started on a high dose of TMP/SMX for a partially resistant urinary tract infection
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
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Non-anion gap Metabolic Acidosis (NAGMA)

  • 1. Interesting Electrolyte Cases Joel M. Topf, M.D. Nephrology 248.470.8163 http://PBFluids.blogspot.com
  • 2. 58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 17 139 115 3.1 17 16 1.0
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  • 29. Urine pH=5.5 Serum pH=7.4 100 fold difference
  • 30. Ureterosigmoidostomy Urine pH=5.5 Serum pH=7.4 100 fold difference
  • 31. Ureterosigmoidostomy Ureteroileostomy Urine pH=5.5 Serum pH=7.4 100 fold difference
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  • 35. Proximal tubule: reabsorption of filtered bicarbonate
  • 36. Proximal tubule: reabsorption of filtered bicarbonate
  • 37. Proximal tubule: reabsorption of filtered bicarbonate
  • 38. Distal tubule, completion of reabsorption and replacing bicarbonate lost to the daily acid load.
  • 39. Distal tubule, completion of reabsorption and replacing bicarbonate lost to the daily acid load.
  • 40. Distal tubule, completion of reabsorption and replacing bicarbonate lost to the daily acid load.
  • 41. Fate of excreted hydrogen ion The minimal urine pH is 4.5. This is a H + concentration a 1000 times that of plasma.
  • 42. Fate of excreted hydrogen ion The minimal urine pH is 4.5. This is a H + concentration a 1000 times that of plasma. But It still is only 0.04 mmol/L
  • 43. Fate of excreted hydrogen ion The minimal urine pH is 4.5. This is a H + concentration a 1000 times that of plasma. But It still is only 0.04 mmol/L In order to excrete 50 mmol (to produce enough bicarb-onate to account for the daily acid load) one would need to produce 1250 liters of urine.
  • 44. Fate of excreted hydrogen ion Ammonium Titratable acid
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  • 60. Diagnosing the cause of: non-anion gap metabolic acidosis
  • 61. To look for renal H + clearance look for urinary ammonium Ammonium Titratable acid
  • 62. To look for renal H + clearance look for urinary ammonium Ammonium Titratable acid NH 4 +
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  • 76. 58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 16 U/A pH 6.5 Urine electrolytes 139 115 3.1 17 16 1.0 80 115 45
  • 77. 58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 16 U/A pH 6.5 Urine electrolytes Appropriately compensated non-anion gap metabolic acidosis due to distal RTA 139 115 3.1 17 16 1.0 80 115 45
  • 78. 74 y.o. female with 34 year history of DM c/o weakness 7.34 / 87 / 33 / 16 Albumin 1.8 139 123 6.6 17 21 1.2
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  • 98. Diagnose the cause of: non-anion gap metabolic acidosis with hyperkalemia
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  • 117. 58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches
  • 118. 58 y.o. female with weakness and muscle aches Both the bicarbonate and potassium were normal at admission. This is hospital acquired RTA (type 1 or 4)
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