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Notes	From	Session	3:		Information	Exchange	with	CROs	–	Biology/NCD		
	
Gordon	Baxter	(Facilitator)	
Kees	Van	Bochove	
Chris	Watkins	
Rob	Gill	
Peter	Boogaard	
Allan	Price	
	
There	were	three	in	the	group	with	a	big	Pharma	background	but	all	were	
currently	employed	in	academia	or	by	vendors	to	the	pharmaceutical	industry.		
All	in	the	group	could	be	categorized	as	having	more	of	a	‘Discovery’	than	
‘Development’	mindset.	
	
We	agreed	that	the	ecosystem	was	rich	with	lots	of	players	and	that	efficient	data	
interchange	and	exchange	was	important	and	required.		The	current	situation	
was	not	as	good	as	it	could	be.	
	
What	was	meant	by	reference	to	Non‐clinical	data	was	explained	to	the	group	on	
request.			There	was	a	low	level	of	familiarity	with	NCD	exchange	as	an	activity.		
Only	two	of	the	group	regularly	exchanged	data	with	traditional	CRO’s	(Charles	
River,	TNO	etc)	so	we	agreed	that	we	could	consider	the	issue	from	the	
perspective	or	any	organization	that	needs	to	exchange	data	with	another	as	part	
of	their	ongoing	business.		Examples	from	the	group	included	delivery	of	data	to	
sponsors	in	BEL	format.		Delivery	of	data	in	‘Array	Express	format’	and	receipt	of	
data	in	GEO	format.	
	
Drive	toward	data	interchange	mostly	driven	by	need	to	do	something	with	it.		
There	are	few	standards	and	very	few	groups	(authorities	/	regulators)	are	
imposing	them	in	the	‘discovery’	community.	
	
All	felt	that	better	access	to	and	use	of	data	was	of	value.		Early	ADME	endpoints	
helping	to	kill	bad	projects	early.		Molecular	footprints	–	chemical	validation	etc.	
	
In	many	cases	there	were	significant	barriers	to	data	exchange	including	a	
paranoia	that	results	may	be	re‐interpreted	and	different	conclusions	made.		
There	was	a	feeling	amongst	the	group	that	although	the	idea	of	data	interchange	
sounded	compelling	and	most	people	would	want	to	see	other	data	from	other	
groups	–	they	were	typically	reluctant	to	share	their	own.	
	
There	was	some	feeling	that	the	data	being	shared	was	generally	not	particularly	
useful	and	perhaps	data	sharing	initiatives	were	rather	less	important	than	
imagined.		In	some	systems	the	data	is	exchanged,	does	into	a	system	and	then	is	
rendered	immediately	invisible.		Someone	made	reference	to	COPD	Eclipse	and	
GWAS	in	this	regard?	
	
Most	felt	the	quality	of	annotation	was	a	serious	problem	in	data	exchange.		This	
was	generally	addressed	by	additional	manual	annotation	or	by	writing	bespoke	
code.
The	BEL	data	format	was	introduced	as	having	potential	in	data	exchange.		There	
was	some	discussion	about	whether	BEL	was	better	for	knowledge	exchange	
rather	than	raw	data	exchange.	
	
It	was	suggested	that	in	the	future	all	content	would	be	free	and	the	real	value	
would	be	in	mapping	and	analysis.		This	means	you	have	to	get	the	format	right	
so	there	is	less	time	spent	in	data	parsing	and	more	time	spent	gaining	insights.	
	
There	was	some	discussion	about	the	benefits	of	triples	versus	relational	
databases	–	particularly	with	regard	to	how	efficiently	the	resulting	structures	
could	be	searched.		We	came	to	the	conclusion	that	they	generally	facilitated	
different	things	with	triples	providing	better	‘brows‐ability’	and	the	‘distillation’	
of	knowledge.	
	
DB	Pedia,	a	semantic	rendering	of	Wikipedia	was	mentioned	as	being	more	
difficult	to	search	than	the	original.		
	
OpenPhacts	was	mentioned	as	a	format	that	might	compete	with	BEL.		AT	least	
one	member	of	the	group	has	seen	an	early	prototype	of	a	system	and	was	
impressed.	
	
This	led	to	a	discussion	on	standards.		Some	felt	that	there	were	potentially	too	
many	standards	and	most	were	not	adequate	in	allowing	representation	of	the	
complexity	or	‘richness’	of	the	data.		It	was	suggested	that	standards	need	to	be	
clearly	focused	on	an	outcome	and	that	they	should	be	smaller?	
	
Something	was	needed	to	‘drive’	uptake	of	standards.		Needed	to	be	based	on	
both	carrot	(pleasure	of	gain)	and	stick	(fear	of	loss).		Most	people	in	the	group	
thought	that	the	only	way	a	standard	would	be	adopted	was	if	it	was	imposed	by	
an	authority.	
	
Standards	needed	to	be	open	and	not	closed.		No	standard	–	either	structural	
(format,	protocol,	metadata	convention)	or	semantic	(vocabulary,	ontology,	
terminology)	could	fit	all	requirements.			
	
It	was	obvious	that	the	interchange	of	data	for	research	was	very	different	from	
that	for	submission	purposes.		It	was	also	generally	acknowledged	that	we	could	
learn	something	from	the	NCD	community.		We	talked	about	the	potential	for	an	
interface	between	Discovery	and	Development	data	and	agreed	that	on	the	face	
of	it	this	was	an	important	part	of	any	translational	science	strategy.	
	
The	concept	of	collaborative	spaces	that	were	scientifically	aware	was	discussed	
as	an	interesting	driver	for	nurturing	an	information	ecosystem.	
	
What	was	meant	by	scientifically	aware?		The	IT	container	was	aware	of	what	
the	content	represented?		E.g.	intelligence	represented	in	the	space	as	text	could	
be	searched	by	chemical	structure	or	substructure.
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