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Talk	
  Radio	
  Success

   US	
  vs	
  Europe
“If	
  you	
  speak	
  into	
  any	
  microphone	
  
                  anywhere	
  
  and	
  you	
  want	
  to	
  draw	
  a	
  crowd

             this	
  is	
  for	
  you...”
The	
  Crowd
   Basics
Secret	
  Sauce
The	
  Crowd
   Basics
Secret	
  Sauce
Polly
Poland’s	
  Parliment
1,000,000	
  Immigrants
Drawing	
  a	
  Crowd
“Wait	
  a	
  minute...”

They	
  got	
  curious.	
  	
  And	
  their	
  willingness	
  to	
  
follow	
  that	
  curiosity	
  changed	
  the	
  world,	
  in	
  
ways	
  big	
  and	
  small.
The	
  Crowd
   Basics
Secret	
  Sauce
Example:	
  Bill	
  Handel/Los	
  Angeles
Informative
  Make	
  something	
  make	
  sense.	
  	
  Explain	
  
  things.	
  	
  Put	
  the	
  story	
  in	
  perspective.

You	
  say:
   ‘Here’s	
  the	
  thing...’
Your	
  listener	
  says:
   ‘WOW	
  I	
  had	
  no	
  idea...’
Entertaining
    You	
  say	
  out	
  loud	
  what	
  other	
  people	
  are	
  
    thinking	
  and	
  not	
  saying.

Your	
  listener	
  says:
 ‘I	
  can’t	
  believe	
  she’s	
  just	
  saying	
  that	
  on	
  the	
  
 radio!’
Example:	
  Gilles	
  Tessier/Paris
Rebecca	
  is	
  with	
  us.	
  	
  Rebecca,	
  please	
  tell	
  us	
  what	
  you	
  tried	
  to	
  do.

     I	
  tried	
  to	
  poison	
  my	
  stepfather.	
  Because	
  my	
  mother	
  leB	
  my	
  dad	
  to	
  go	
  to	
  live	
  with	
  him.	
  And	
  I	
  can't	
  
     stand	
  it.	
  I	
  can't	
  stand	
  that	
  my	
  mother	
  wants	
  to	
  make	
  her	
  life	
  with	
  him.
OK.	
  When	
  did	
  it	
  start,	
  this	
  story.
     5	
  years	
  ago.	
  I	
  was	
  16	
  when	
  it	
  happened.	
  And	
  4	
  months	
  ago,	
  I	
  tried	
  to	
  poison	
  him.
How	
  did	
  you	
  do	
  it?
     One	
  morning	
  I	
  put	
  something	
  in	
  his	
  coffee.
What	
  substance?
     Mercury
Oula!	
  	
  So	
  you	
  researched	
  this	
  first?	
  	
  Looked	
  it	
  up	
  on	
  the	
  internet?
  In	
  fact	
  I	
  was	
  at	
  my	
  real	
  father’s	
  house	
  and	
  took	
  some	
  random	
  thing	
  because	
  I	
  knew	
  it	
  was	
  
  dangerous.	
  	
  	
  That’s	
  it.

So,	
  be	
  careful	
  of	
  what	
  you	
  can	
  keep	
  in	
  your	
  wardrobe	
  when	
  you	
  have	
  teens	
  at	
  home	
  and	
  when	
  
your	
  woman	
  leB	
  you	
  for	
  someone	
  else	
  because,	
  as	
  you	
  can	
  see	
  it	
  can	
  be	
  used	
  in	
  some	
  ways	
  that	
  
you	
  could	
  not	
  imagine.
The	
  Crowd
   Basics
Secret	
  Sauce
30	
  Seconds
If	
  you	
  hook	
  them	
  in	
  less	
  than	
  30	
  seconds,	
  they	
  
stay	
  for	
  the	
  whole	
  segment.	
  	
  

Don’t	
  grab	
  them,	
  and	
  they	
  come	
  and	
  go	
  with	
  or	
  
without	
  changing	
  the	
  station.	
  
Example:	
  Alejandro	
  Villalvazo/Mexico
Bars!	
  	
  We’re	
  going	
  to	
  just	
  say	
  it	
  like	
  that!	
  	
  Could	
  you	
  ever	
  have	
  imagined??

No	
  one	
  would	
  have	
  ever	
  imagined,	
  ever	
  thought	
  that	
  they’d	
  see	
  huge	
  fall	
  of	
  a	
  monster	
  like	
  Elba	
  
Esther	
  Gordillo.
We	
  never	
  thought	
  we’d	
  be	
  saying	
  the	
  words,	
  giving	
  the	
  news:	
  	
  “In	
  jail,	
  Elba	
  Esther	
  Gordillo”.

A	
  very	
  powerful	
  woman.	
  	
  A	
  woman	
  who	
  for	
  more	
  than	
  20	
  years	
  enjoyed	
  the	
  riches	
  of	
  power,	
  
thanks	
  to	
  her	
  labor	
  union.	
  	
  A	
  labor	
  union	
  that	
  had	
  close	
  rela`ons	
  with	
  past	
  presidents.	
  	
  


A	
  woman	
  who	
  liked	
  to	
  show	
  off,	
  no?.	
  	
  A	
  woman	
  who	
  hid	
  none	
  of	
  it,	
  wasn’t	
  afraid	
  to	
  be	
  seen	
  
with	
  the	
  best	
  clothing,	
  the	
  best	
  shoes,	
  the	
  best	
  bags.	
  	
  	
  	
  And	
  her	
  surgeries,	
  and	
  her	
  homes!	
  She	
  
never	
  hid	
  any	
  of	
  it.	
  	
  Ever!


And	
  today,	
  she	
  is	
  in	
  jail.
Speak	
  Frankly
Be	
  respectful,	
  but	
  be	
  clear	
  in	
  saying	
  what	
  
you	
  believe,	
  and	
  in	
  showing	
  your	
  disbelief.
Example:	
  James	
  Whale/London
From	
  what	
  I	
  can	
  remember	
  from	
  my	
  school	
  days	
  Christ	
  wanted	
  everybody	
  to	
  sort	
  of	
  give	
  away	
  
all	
  their	
  finery	
  and	
  everything	
  else.	
  	
  	
  	
  
Why	
  has	
  the	
  Catholic	
  Church	
  held	
  on	
  to	
  all	
  this	
  finery,	
  all	
  this	
  money,	
  all	
  this	
  gold,	
  all	
  this	
  
treasure?
I	
  mean	
  why	
  do	
  they	
  surround	
  themselves	
  with	
  this?
       Well	
  James	
  the	
  Kingdom	
  of	
  God	
  has	
  to	
  be	
  financed	
  just	
  like	
  every	
  other	
  kingdom.	
  You	
  can’t	
  
       survive	
  without	
  money.	
  	
  
       And	
  as	
  for	
  the	
  sort	
  of	
  “finery”	
  as	
  you	
  call	
  it,	
  if	
  we	
  go	
  back	
  to	
  the	
  old	
  testament,	
  when	
  
       God	
  entrusted	
  the	
  building	
  of	
  the	
  temple	
  at	
  Jerusalem	
  to	
  Solomon,	
  the	
  highest	
  
       specifica`ons	
  were	
  used.

      Nothing	
  was	
  too	
  good	
  or	
  too	
  beau`ful	
  to	
  use	
  in	
  the	
  service	
  of	
  God

      And	
  the	
  vestments	
  whatever	
  we	
  use,	
  the	
  gold	
  and	
  silver	
  plate	
  that	
  we	
  use	
  at	
  the	
  mass...
      these	
  are	
  signs	
  of	
  affec`on,	
  love,	
  and	
  adora`on	
  for	
  God.	
  	
  
Aaaaah,	
  right.	
  	
  OK...
      So	
  we’re	
  not	
  sort	
  of	
  flaun`ng	
  our	
  wealth.	
  	
  
 No,	
  no	
  I	
  must	
  have	
  misunderstood	
  that	
  obviously...
Calls
        Their	
  only	
  value	
  is	
  to	
  make	
  you	
  look	
  good.
They	
  cause	
  you	
  to	
  react	
  and	
  be	
  funnier	
  or	
  be	
  more	
  
informative.
Keep	
  them	
  short,	
  have	
  a	
  call	
  screener	
  direct	
  them.
Sense	
  of	
  Humor
Be	
  prepared	
  to	
  laugh	
  at	
  yourself

Look	
  for	
  the	
  absurd

Have	
  just	
  enough	
  fearlessness	
  
Example:	
  Jon	
  Stewart/New	
  York
Interviews
   Interviews	
  are	
  like	
  calls.	
  	
  You	
  are	
  turning	
  your	
  
   show	
  over	
  to	
  amateurs.	
  	
  

Get	
  to	
  the	
  good	
  stuff	
  in	
  the	
  first	
  few	
  seconds

Interview	
  victims,	
  witnesses,	
  owners.	
  	
  	
  	
  
Example:	
  Peter	
  Tilden/Los	
  Angeles
You’re	
  one	
  of	
  thirty-­‐three	
  Golden	
  Gate	
  Bridge	
  jump	
  survivors.	
  	
  Is	
  that	
  number	
  s=ll	
  correct?
  That	
  number	
  is	
  correct
And	
  less	
  than	
  2%	
  of	
  the	
  people	
  who	
  survived	
  the	
  jump	
  have	
  even	
  regained	
  full	
  mobility.	
  	
  Are	
  you	
  100%?	
  
   I’m	
  100%	
  I	
  just	
  get	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  back	
  pain.	
  	
  
So	
  you	
  drove	
  to	
  the	
  bridge.	
  	
  By	
  yourself?
  Actually	
  I	
  took	
  a	
  bus	
  there.
Wow	
  so	
  the	
  bus	
  stops	
  and	
  you	
  get	
  off	
  at	
  the	
  Golden	
  Gate	
  Bridge....
  And	
  I	
  walk	
  toward	
  the	
  span	
  of	
  the	
  bridge.	
  	
  I	
  walked	
  on	
  the	
  bridge	
  anywhere	
  between	
  30	
  and	
  40	
  
  minutes	
  crying,	
  sobbing,	
  tears,	
  waterfalls	
  out	
  of	
  my	
  eyes.
  And	
  this	
  woman	
  approached	
  me.	
  	
  And	
  I	
  thought	
  she	
  was	
  going	
  to	
  ask	
  me	
  if	
  I	
  was	
  OK.	
  	
  I	
  thought	
  	
  she	
  
  was	
  going	
  to	
  be	
  my	
  savior.	
  And	
  instead	
  she	
  said	
  in	
  some	
  kind	
  of	
  European	
  accent,	
  “will	
  you	
  take	
  my	
  
  picture”.	
  	
  
So	
  is	
  that	
  when	
  you	
  went,	
  right	
  aSer	
  the	
  photo?
  Right	
  aSer	
  the	
  photo	
  she	
  walked	
  away,	
  I	
  thought	
  nobody	
  cares,	
  and	
  I	
  threw	
  myself	
  over	
  the	
  rail.	
  	
  
So	
  then	
  what	
  happens?
  The	
  millisecond	
  of	
  freefall.	
  	
  I	
  said	
  “what	
  have	
  I	
  just	
  done??”
Did	
  it	
  feel	
  like	
  an	
  eternity	
  un=l	
  you	
  hit	
  the	
  water?
  Oh	
  my	
  God	
  it	
  was	
  so	
  fast.	
  What	
  happens	
  is	
  you	
  are	
  shocked	
  into	
  reality.	
  You	
  realize	
  you	
  did	
  not	
  want	
  to	
  
  die	
  but	
  now	
  you’re	
  going	
  to	
  and	
  now	
  there	
  is	
  nothing	
  you	
  can	
  do	
  to	
  turn	
  it	
  back.	
  
Explain.
Have	
  humor.
 Be	
  curious.
 Be	
  fearless.
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  • 1. Talk  Radio  Success US  vs  Europe
  • 2. “If  you  speak  into  any  microphone   anywhere   and  you  want  to  draw  a  crowd this  is  for  you...”
  • 3. The  Crowd Basics Secret  Sauce
  • 4. The  Crowd Basics Secret  Sauce
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  • 13. Drawing  a  Crowd “Wait  a  minute...” They  got  curious.    And  their  willingness  to   follow  that  curiosity  changed  the  world,  in   ways  big  and  small.
  • 14. The  Crowd Basics Secret  Sauce
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  • 19. Informative Make  something  make  sense.    Explain   things.    Put  the  story  in  perspective. You  say: ‘Here’s  the  thing...’ Your  listener  says: ‘WOW  I  had  no  idea...’
  • 20. Entertaining You  say  out  loud  what  other  people  are   thinking  and  not  saying. Your  listener  says: ‘I  can’t  believe  she’s  just  saying  that  on  the   radio!’
  • 21. Example:  Gilles  Tessier/Paris Rebecca  is  with  us.    Rebecca,  please  tell  us  what  you  tried  to  do. I  tried  to  poison  my  stepfather.  Because  my  mother  leB  my  dad  to  go  to  live  with  him.  And  I  can't   stand  it.  I  can't  stand  that  my  mother  wants  to  make  her  life  with  him. OK.  When  did  it  start,  this  story. 5  years  ago.  I  was  16  when  it  happened.  And  4  months  ago,  I  tried  to  poison  him. How  did  you  do  it? One  morning  I  put  something  in  his  coffee. What  substance? Mercury Oula!    So  you  researched  this  first?    Looked  it  up  on  the  internet? In  fact  I  was  at  my  real  father’s  house  and  took  some  random  thing  because  I  knew  it  was   dangerous.      That’s  it. So,  be  careful  of  what  you  can  keep  in  your  wardrobe  when  you  have  teens  at  home  and  when   your  woman  leB  you  for  someone  else  because,  as  you  can  see  it  can  be  used  in  some  ways  that   you  could  not  imagine.
  • 22. The  Crowd Basics Secret  Sauce
  • 23. 30  Seconds If  you  hook  them  in  less  than  30  seconds,  they   stay  for  the  whole  segment.     Don’t  grab  them,  and  they  come  and  go  with  or   without  changing  the  station.  
  • 24. Example:  Alejandro  Villalvazo/Mexico Bars!    We’re  going  to  just  say  it  like  that!    Could  you  ever  have  imagined?? No  one  would  have  ever  imagined,  ever  thought  that  they’d  see  huge  fall  of  a  monster  like  Elba   Esther  Gordillo. We  never  thought  we’d  be  saying  the  words,  giving  the  news:    “In  jail,  Elba  Esther  Gordillo”. A  very  powerful  woman.    A  woman  who  for  more  than  20  years  enjoyed  the  riches  of  power,   thanks  to  her  labor  union.    A  labor  union  that  had  close  rela`ons  with  past  presidents.     A  woman  who  liked  to  show  off,  no?.    A  woman  who  hid  none  of  it,  wasn’t  afraid  to  be  seen   with  the  best  clothing,  the  best  shoes,  the  best  bags.        And  her  surgeries,  and  her  homes!  She   never  hid  any  of  it.    Ever! And  today,  she  is  in  jail.
  • 25. Speak  Frankly Be  respectful,  but  be  clear  in  saying  what   you  believe,  and  in  showing  your  disbelief.
  • 26. Example:  James  Whale/London From  what  I  can  remember  from  my  school  days  Christ  wanted  everybody  to  sort  of  give  away   all  their  finery  and  everything  else.         Why  has  the  Catholic  Church  held  on  to  all  this  finery,  all  this  money,  all  this  gold,  all  this   treasure? I  mean  why  do  they  surround  themselves  with  this? Well  James  the  Kingdom  of  God  has  to  be  financed  just  like  every  other  kingdom.  You  can’t   survive  without  money.     And  as  for  the  sort  of  “finery”  as  you  call  it,  if  we  go  back  to  the  old  testament,  when   God  entrusted  the  building  of  the  temple  at  Jerusalem  to  Solomon,  the  highest   specifica`ons  were  used. Nothing  was  too  good  or  too  beau`ful  to  use  in  the  service  of  God And  the  vestments  whatever  we  use,  the  gold  and  silver  plate  that  we  use  at  the  mass... these  are  signs  of  affec`on,  love,  and  adora`on  for  God.     Aaaaah,  right.    OK... So  we’re  not  sort  of  flaun`ng  our  wealth.     No,  no  I  must  have  misunderstood  that  obviously...
  • 27. Calls Their  only  value  is  to  make  you  look  good. They  cause  you  to  react  and  be  funnier  or  be  more   informative. Keep  them  short,  have  a  call  screener  direct  them.
  • 28. Sense  of  Humor Be  prepared  to  laugh  at  yourself Look  for  the  absurd Have  just  enough  fearlessness  
  • 30. Interviews Interviews  are  like  calls.    You  are  turning  your   show  over  to  amateurs.     Get  to  the  good  stuff  in  the  first  few  seconds Interview  victims,  witnesses,  owners.        
  • 31. Example:  Peter  Tilden/Los  Angeles You’re  one  of  thirty-­‐three  Golden  Gate  Bridge  jump  survivors.    Is  that  number  s=ll  correct? That  number  is  correct And  less  than  2%  of  the  people  who  survived  the  jump  have  even  regained  full  mobility.    Are  you  100%?   I’m  100%  I  just  get  a  lot  of  back  pain.     So  you  drove  to  the  bridge.    By  yourself? Actually  I  took  a  bus  there. Wow  so  the  bus  stops  and  you  get  off  at  the  Golden  Gate  Bridge.... And  I  walk  toward  the  span  of  the  bridge.    I  walked  on  the  bridge  anywhere  between  30  and  40   minutes  crying,  sobbing,  tears,  waterfalls  out  of  my  eyes. And  this  woman  approached  me.    And  I  thought  she  was  going  to  ask  me  if  I  was  OK.    I  thought    she   was  going  to  be  my  savior.  And  instead  she  said  in  some  kind  of  European  accent,  “will  you  take  my   picture”.     So  is  that  when  you  went,  right  aSer  the  photo? Right  aSer  the  photo  she  walked  away,  I  thought  nobody  cares,  and  I  threw  myself  over  the  rail.     So  then  what  happens? The  millisecond  of  freefall.    I  said  “what  have  I  just  done??” Did  it  feel  like  an  eternity  un=l  you  hit  the  water? Oh  my  God  it  was  so  fast.  What  happens  is  you  are  shocked  into  reality.  You  realize  you  did  not  want  to   die  but  now  you’re  going  to  and  now  there  is  nothing  you  can  do  to  turn  it  back.  
  • 32. Explain. Have  humor. Be  curious. Be  fearless.