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The Rain God
            By: Arturo Islas


Lead Discussion by: Victoria Breen & Romy
Garcia
Part 2: pages 53-110
Significant Events
 Miguel Grande & Juanita have their
  25th Anniversary
 Uncle Felix is killed by a soldier who
  he tried to make a move on
 Miguel Grande and Lola have a long-
  term affair
 Miguel Grande and Juanita separate
  and get back together
Latino Assimilation in America
 “The man pronounced his name in
  English and momentarily confused
  him” (79)
 “"In Spain, home of some of their
  ancestors, a civil war was going on.
  They barely noticed. They were
  Americans now, even if privately and
  among themselves they still called
  each other chicanitos" (59)
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R6
  FXZ_lpQo
Preconceptions that males are
     automatically gay when they have
            feminine qualities
   “„All good dancers are queer and you
    know it‟ Miguel shared the macho‟s
    distrust of any man who was too
    handsome or danced too well” (70)
    ◦ guys who do hair
    ◦ guys who stand up for women rights
    ◦ guys that watch romantic movies “chick
      flicks”
    ◦ guys who care about their appearance
    ◦ guys who have piercings other than on their
      ears
    ◦ guys who model- remember that clip we
      watched in class last week
Homophobia that lingered in the
      court systems
   “She sat down facing him as he explained
    how the evidence convincingly showed that
    her father was in fact „excuse me, ma‟am‟ a
    homosexual and that he had seduced other
    men, some of whom were willing to testify
    during a trial. the attorney thought it useless
    to subject the family to the shame and
    embarrassment of such an investigation.
    The young soldier had acted in „self-
    defense and understandably,‟ given the
    circumstances, and there was no reason to
    prosecute him” (87)
Relationships:
    Miguel Grande and Lola
• “She made love to him better than any
  woman he had known, so he did not mind
  her unhousewifely ways" (58)
• “He could not understand how she could
  speak to him like that. He wanted to kill
  her and felt she should be begging him for
  mercy after all he had given up for her. He
  did not know why he couldn‟t bring himself
  to tell her that the things she did hurt him
  deeply” (71)
Relationships:
    Miguel Grande and Juanita
 “When Miguel returned to her Juanita
  welcomed him back with open arms.
  She promised herself to learn what
  pleased him in bed and to devote
  more of her free time to him stead of
  to friends and social activities” (103)
 “Juanita did not understand her
  husband, but she obeyed him” (95)
Relationships:
Miguel Grande and Miguel Chico
   “It pained him to see his son walk, and
    eventually he invented ways to make
    a man of the adolescent boy. One
    device had been to ask Miguel Chico‟s
    school friends to engage him in
    fistfights to that he might learn to
    defend himself” (96)
Discussion Questions
   What other relationships did you find
    interesting in this portion of the
    reading and how can they relate to
    your personal experiences?
Discussion Questions
   If Uncle Felix had been killed for
    homosexual attempts in todays
    society, how would society react? How
    would or wouldn‟t it be different?

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Latino Masculinity in The Rain God

  • 1. The Rain God By: Arturo Islas Lead Discussion by: Victoria Breen & Romy Garcia Part 2: pages 53-110
  • 2. Significant Events  Miguel Grande & Juanita have their 25th Anniversary  Uncle Felix is killed by a soldier who he tried to make a move on  Miguel Grande and Lola have a long- term affair  Miguel Grande and Juanita separate and get back together
  • 3. Latino Assimilation in America  “The man pronounced his name in English and momentarily confused him” (79)  “"In Spain, home of some of their ancestors, a civil war was going on. They barely noticed. They were Americans now, even if privately and among themselves they still called each other chicanitos" (59)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R6 FXZ_lpQo
  • 4. Preconceptions that males are automatically gay when they have feminine qualities  “„All good dancers are queer and you know it‟ Miguel shared the macho‟s distrust of any man who was too handsome or danced too well” (70) ◦ guys who do hair ◦ guys who stand up for women rights ◦ guys that watch romantic movies “chick flicks” ◦ guys who care about their appearance ◦ guys who have piercings other than on their ears ◦ guys who model- remember that clip we watched in class last week
  • 5. Homophobia that lingered in the court systems  “She sat down facing him as he explained how the evidence convincingly showed that her father was in fact „excuse me, ma‟am‟ a homosexual and that he had seduced other men, some of whom were willing to testify during a trial. the attorney thought it useless to subject the family to the shame and embarrassment of such an investigation. The young soldier had acted in „self- defense and understandably,‟ given the circumstances, and there was no reason to prosecute him” (87)
  • 6. Relationships: Miguel Grande and Lola • “She made love to him better than any woman he had known, so he did not mind her unhousewifely ways" (58) • “He could not understand how she could speak to him like that. He wanted to kill her and felt she should be begging him for mercy after all he had given up for her. He did not know why he couldn‟t bring himself to tell her that the things she did hurt him deeply” (71)
  • 7. Relationships: Miguel Grande and Juanita  “When Miguel returned to her Juanita welcomed him back with open arms. She promised herself to learn what pleased him in bed and to devote more of her free time to him stead of to friends and social activities” (103)  “Juanita did not understand her husband, but she obeyed him” (95)
  • 8. Relationships: Miguel Grande and Miguel Chico  “It pained him to see his son walk, and eventually he invented ways to make a man of the adolescent boy. One device had been to ask Miguel Chico‟s school friends to engage him in fistfights to that he might learn to defend himself” (96)
  • 9. Discussion Questions  What other relationships did you find interesting in this portion of the reading and how can they relate to your personal experiences?
  • 10. Discussion Questions  If Uncle Felix had been killed for homosexual attempts in todays society, how would society react? How would or wouldn‟t it be different?