Homer and early greek poets

Homer and the Early 
Greek Poets
• Poets could lie. For, whatever poets might claim 
about the truth status of their own poems, the 
existence of variant legends made it clear that truth 
could vary from poet to poet. So that one poet's 
truth could easily become another poet's lie. 
• There are indications that already in the early period 
poets were aware of their ability to craft and 
fashion their narratives. They might claim inspiration 
from the Muses, but they did not present 
themselves simply as unconscious instruments of 
the divine. 
• By the end of the fifth century B C the poet is 
regularly described as a Poietes, a "maker", and his 
product is a Poiema, a "made-up thing". So they 
have inventive powers.
• The Odyssey is thus a highly self-conscious 
poem, which celebrates the delight of poetry 
and song: as Odysseus himself says, there is 
no greater pleasure in life than to listen to the 
bard at a feast, when the tables are laden with 
meat and the wine flows 
• Poetry enthralls, but the nature of its power is 
ambiguous: it can tell the truth, but it can also 
persuade us that false things are true; it offers 
us pleasure, but at the time it destroys our 
judgment. 
• Poetry also has the power to arouse intense 
emotions, and we find both Penelope and 
Odysseus weeping as they listen to the voice of 
the bard.
• Poetry has the power to make a man cry like a 
woman. Perhaps a prefiguration of the 
paradoxical pleasure of tragedy, that the 
depiction of suffering can give pleasure. There 
is certainly an awareness in Homer of the 
pleasure of remembered suffering. 
• This emphasis on the affective power of poetry 
played a major role in Plato's attack on poetry, 
and in Aristotle's defence of it; it also formed 
the basis of Longinus' theory of the sublime.
•Greek attitudes to poetry were shaped long 
before the advent of literary criticism or literary 
theory. For Greek poetry contained within it a 
self-reflective and critical spirit which was there 
from the beginning: the earliest critics were the 
poets themselves. 
• The competitive nature of Greek poetic 
performance continued to be a feature of 
Greek culture, and, with the emergence of 
drama in Athens in the sixth century BC, poetry 
and the judging of poetry become a matter of 
major civic concern
Plato and his 
Republic
• Plato wrote no treatise devoted specifically to 
poetry, yet his engagement with poetry was 
intense and life-long, as we can see not only 
from the dialogues in which poetry is explicitly 
discussed, but also from the frequent 
references and allusions to poetry throughout 
his work. Many of the dialogues themselves 
have affinities with poetry in their use of 
imagery, myth and dramatic technique, and the 
poetic nature of Plato's style has been 
recognized since antiquity. There was even a 
tradition that Plato had written poetry himself in 
his youth, but abandoned his early passion 
when he met Socrates and turned to 
philosophy. Certainly Plato writes about poetry 
like no other philosopher, yet determined to 
resist its spell.
• Plato's notorious hostility to poetry strikes the 
modern reader as very odd: in the Republic, he 
is concerned not merely with censoring poetry, 
but with removing it altogether, and his target is 
the entire heritage of Greek literature. Though 
hymns to the gods and encomia to good men 
will be permitted in the ideal state, there will be 
no place for the epics of Homer.
• Plato's critique of poetry is not merely of 
historical interest -- for Plato was the first 
thinker to formulate major questions about the 
function and role of art in society, and his 
writings on poetry, music and the visual arts are 
fundamental texts in the of Western aesthetics. 
( what is poetry, and indeed art in general, and 
how does it operate? What is and should be 
the function of imaginative literature in society? 
Is it dangerous in that it encourages emotions 
and feelings which ought to be kept in check, 
or is it therapeutic in that it allows us to give 
vent to our emotions in a harmless way? 
Should there be censorship? Is literature a form 
of escapism or does it deepen our insight into 
the nature of people and the world around us? 
How can literature justify itself? )
• Like all the poets before him, Plato is acutely 
aware of the pleasure that poetry affords its 
listeners; but for him that is the source of 
poetry's greatest danger. In the Republic, 
pleasure is the key factor in determining what 
makes poetry 'poetic', but pleasure has nothing 
to do with value. Poetry aims solely at the 
gratification of its audience and not at moral 
improvement. And since the ignorant masses 
invariably enjoy what is bad for them, poetry is 
dangerous precisely in proportion to the 
pleasure it gives, and must therefore be 
censored accordingly.
• In the Republic, one of the central arguments 
against poetry is that it is psychologically 
damaging, for it appeals to an inferior elements in 
the soul, and encourages us to indulge in emotions 
which ought to be kept firmly in check by the 
control of reason. 
•Moreover, Plato has three reasons for regarding 
the poets as unwholesome and dangerous. First, 
they pretend to know all sorts of things, but they 
really know nothing at all. It is widely considered 
that they have knowledge of all that they write 
about, but, in fact, they do not. The things they 
deal with cannot be known: they are images, far 
removed from what is most real. By presenting 
scenes so far removed from the truth poets, 
pervert souls, turning them away from the most
•One of Plato's most important and influential 
theories about poetry is that it is a form of 
MIMESIS or 'imitation'. The word mimesis has a 
wide semantic range, covering impersonation, 
copying, imitation and representation, and 
Greek draws no clear distinction between 
these meanings. 
• The Platonic theory of Forms, according to 
which a metaphysical hierarchy is established, 
consisting of the ideal world of Forms, the 
sensible world of particulars, and imitations of 
the sensible world.
Homer and early greek poets
From the Republic, book x 
Well then, shall we begin the enquiry in our usual manner: Whenever a 
number of individuals have a common name, we assume them to have 
also a corresponding idea or form. Do you understand me? 
I do. 
Let us take any common instance; there are beds and tables in the world 
--plenty of them, are there not? 
Yes. 
But there are only two ideas or forms of them --one the idea of a bed, the 
other of a table. 
True.
And the maker of either of them makes a bed or he makes a table for our use, 
in accordance with the idea --that is our way of speaking in this and similar 
instances --but no artificer makes the ideas themselves: how could he? 
Impossible. 
And there is another artist, --I should like to know what you would say of him. 
Who is he? One who is the maker of all the works of all other workmen. 
What an extraordinary man! 
Wait a little, and there will be more reason for your saying so. For this is he 
who is able to make not only vessels of every kind, but plants and animals, 
himself and all other things --the earth and heaven, and the things which are 
in heaven or under the earth; he makes the gods also.
• Taking painting as the paradigm of mimesis, 
Plato argues that the painter is like someone 
who picks up a mirror and carries it around with 
him, instantly creating images of everything that 
he sees. But what he produces are 
insubstantial reflections of objects in the 
sensible world, which are themselves less real 
than the Forms, which alone have true 
existence. Since poets are also imitators, they, 
like painters, are condemned to operate at the 
third level of reality, their products being nothing 
but worthless imitations which reflect nothing 
true.
Aristotle and his 
Poetics
• The Poetics is the first work of theoretical criticism 
devoted specifically to poetry in the Western 
tradition 
• Poetry for Aristotle is an independent art with its 
own internal logic, and his emphasis is primarily on 
its formal aspects without reference to the social, 
political or religious dimensions which had so 
preoccupied Plato. 
• The Poetics is intended as an investigation into 
the nature of poetry through the classification of 
its different kinds and the analysis of their function 
and purpose. Though it contains elements of 
prescriptive criticism and description, it is primarily 
a work of aesthetic theory, whose object is to 
understand how poetry operates and the way in
The Poetics is in part a response to Plato's 
strictures against poetry 
•Whereas Plato views poetry as an inspired, and 
therefore irrational activity, Aristotle treats it as the 
product of skill or art, which is based on rational 
and intelligible principles. 
• For Plato the poet has no knowledge, and the 
imitations which he produces are mere reflections 
of the external world, at third remove from the 
ultimate reality of the Forms.
• For Aristotle there is a close relationship 
between imitation and learning. ( since poetry 
presents us with 'the kinds of things that might 
happen' in human life, it gives us a generalized 
view of human nature from which we can learn 
more than we can from particular facts. 
• Plato regards poetry, and especially tragedy, as 
morally harmful in that it stimulates emotions 
which ought to be suppressed 
• According to Aristotle, the ability to engage our 
emotions is an essential feature of tragedy, and 
one that is positively beneficial in its effects.
• Pleasure, which for Plato is the source of 
poetry's greatest danger, is for Aristotle an 
intrinsic part of our response to poetry, since all 
human beings instinctively take delight in 
'imitations'. 
• Aristotle takes over from Plato the idea that 
poetry, together with other arts such as 
painting, sculpture, music and dance, is a form 
of Mimesis, but, unlike Plato, he nowhere 
explains what he means by this term.
• The artistic 'imitation' Aristotle discusses 
appears to have the following characteristics: # 
it represents or stands for the object imitated, # 
it is produced by the act of imitating, # it is 
similar to the object imitated. 
• The artist can present things as they are, as 
they seem to be, or as they ought to be, hence 
what he offers is a re-fashioning of nature or 
experience rather than a straightforward copy. 
• Aristotle explicitly rejects the idea that tragedy 
mimics reality, when he says that the poet's 
function is not to describe what has happened, 
but rather the kinds of thing that might happen.
• For Aristotle, tragedy represents the probable 
rather than the actual, but in doing so it 
deepens our understanding of the world in 
which we live. 
• For Aristotle the poet is a 'maker' but 
specifically a maker of imitations.
Tragedy 
• Aristotle emphasizes that tragedy must be 
complete and a whole, with 'a beginning, a middle, 
and an end' by which he means that the action 
must have an ordered structure so that events 
follow on one from another in a logical sequence, 
and not simply at random. 
Music: 
Music, says Aristotle, has a variety of beneficial 
functions: it can be used, for example, for 
education of the young, for relaxation and leisure, 
and for Catharsis.
CATHARSIS 
• Page 44
• A large part of Aristotle's discussion is 
concerned with plot, 'the ordered arrangement 
of the incidents', since he regards plot as the 
single most important element in tragedy. It 
takes precedence over character because 
"tragedy is a representation, not of people, but 
of action and life, of happiness and 
unhappiness -- the happiness and unhappiness 
are bound up with action. 
• Poetics is notoriously reticent about the 
religious explanations of human suffering which 
are integral to the genre. His neglect of the 
gods, together with his apparent lack of interest 
in the social and political implications of tragedy, 
have been criticized by modern scholars.
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Homer and early greek poets

  • 1. Homer and the Early Greek Poets
  • 2. • Poets could lie. For, whatever poets might claim about the truth status of their own poems, the existence of variant legends made it clear that truth could vary from poet to poet. So that one poet's truth could easily become another poet's lie. • There are indications that already in the early period poets were aware of their ability to craft and fashion their narratives. They might claim inspiration from the Muses, but they did not present themselves simply as unconscious instruments of the divine. • By the end of the fifth century B C the poet is regularly described as a Poietes, a "maker", and his product is a Poiema, a "made-up thing". So they have inventive powers.
  • 3. • The Odyssey is thus a highly self-conscious poem, which celebrates the delight of poetry and song: as Odysseus himself says, there is no greater pleasure in life than to listen to the bard at a feast, when the tables are laden with meat and the wine flows • Poetry enthralls, but the nature of its power is ambiguous: it can tell the truth, but it can also persuade us that false things are true; it offers us pleasure, but at the time it destroys our judgment. • Poetry also has the power to arouse intense emotions, and we find both Penelope and Odysseus weeping as they listen to the voice of the bard.
  • 4. • Poetry has the power to make a man cry like a woman. Perhaps a prefiguration of the paradoxical pleasure of tragedy, that the depiction of suffering can give pleasure. There is certainly an awareness in Homer of the pleasure of remembered suffering. • This emphasis on the affective power of poetry played a major role in Plato's attack on poetry, and in Aristotle's defence of it; it also formed the basis of Longinus' theory of the sublime.
  • 5. •Greek attitudes to poetry were shaped long before the advent of literary criticism or literary theory. For Greek poetry contained within it a self-reflective and critical spirit which was there from the beginning: the earliest critics were the poets themselves. • The competitive nature of Greek poetic performance continued to be a feature of Greek culture, and, with the emergence of drama in Athens in the sixth century BC, poetry and the judging of poetry become a matter of major civic concern
  • 6. Plato and his Republic
  • 7. • Plato wrote no treatise devoted specifically to poetry, yet his engagement with poetry was intense and life-long, as we can see not only from the dialogues in which poetry is explicitly discussed, but also from the frequent references and allusions to poetry throughout his work. Many of the dialogues themselves have affinities with poetry in their use of imagery, myth and dramatic technique, and the poetic nature of Plato's style has been recognized since antiquity. There was even a tradition that Plato had written poetry himself in his youth, but abandoned his early passion when he met Socrates and turned to philosophy. Certainly Plato writes about poetry like no other philosopher, yet determined to resist its spell.
  • 8. • Plato's notorious hostility to poetry strikes the modern reader as very odd: in the Republic, he is concerned not merely with censoring poetry, but with removing it altogether, and his target is the entire heritage of Greek literature. Though hymns to the gods and encomia to good men will be permitted in the ideal state, there will be no place for the epics of Homer.
  • 9. • Plato's critique of poetry is not merely of historical interest -- for Plato was the first thinker to formulate major questions about the function and role of art in society, and his writings on poetry, music and the visual arts are fundamental texts in the of Western aesthetics. ( what is poetry, and indeed art in general, and how does it operate? What is and should be the function of imaginative literature in society? Is it dangerous in that it encourages emotions and feelings which ought to be kept in check, or is it therapeutic in that it allows us to give vent to our emotions in a harmless way? Should there be censorship? Is literature a form of escapism or does it deepen our insight into the nature of people and the world around us? How can literature justify itself? )
  • 10. • Like all the poets before him, Plato is acutely aware of the pleasure that poetry affords its listeners; but for him that is the source of poetry's greatest danger. In the Republic, pleasure is the key factor in determining what makes poetry 'poetic', but pleasure has nothing to do with value. Poetry aims solely at the gratification of its audience and not at moral improvement. And since the ignorant masses invariably enjoy what is bad for them, poetry is dangerous precisely in proportion to the pleasure it gives, and must therefore be censored accordingly.
  • 11. • In the Republic, one of the central arguments against poetry is that it is psychologically damaging, for it appeals to an inferior elements in the soul, and encourages us to indulge in emotions which ought to be kept firmly in check by the control of reason. •Moreover, Plato has three reasons for regarding the poets as unwholesome and dangerous. First, they pretend to know all sorts of things, but they really know nothing at all. It is widely considered that they have knowledge of all that they write about, but, in fact, they do not. The things they deal with cannot be known: they are images, far removed from what is most real. By presenting scenes so far removed from the truth poets, pervert souls, turning them away from the most
  • 12. •One of Plato's most important and influential theories about poetry is that it is a form of MIMESIS or 'imitation'. The word mimesis has a wide semantic range, covering impersonation, copying, imitation and representation, and Greek draws no clear distinction between these meanings. • The Platonic theory of Forms, according to which a metaphysical hierarchy is established, consisting of the ideal world of Forms, the sensible world of particulars, and imitations of the sensible world.
  • 14. From the Republic, book x Well then, shall we begin the enquiry in our usual manner: Whenever a number of individuals have a common name, we assume them to have also a corresponding idea or form. Do you understand me? I do. Let us take any common instance; there are beds and tables in the world --plenty of them, are there not? Yes. But there are only two ideas or forms of them --one the idea of a bed, the other of a table. True.
  • 15. And the maker of either of them makes a bed or he makes a table for our use, in accordance with the idea --that is our way of speaking in this and similar instances --but no artificer makes the ideas themselves: how could he? Impossible. And there is another artist, --I should like to know what you would say of him. Who is he? One who is the maker of all the works of all other workmen. What an extraordinary man! Wait a little, and there will be more reason for your saying so. For this is he who is able to make not only vessels of every kind, but plants and animals, himself and all other things --the earth and heaven, and the things which are in heaven or under the earth; he makes the gods also.
  • 16. • Taking painting as the paradigm of mimesis, Plato argues that the painter is like someone who picks up a mirror and carries it around with him, instantly creating images of everything that he sees. But what he produces are insubstantial reflections of objects in the sensible world, which are themselves less real than the Forms, which alone have true existence. Since poets are also imitators, they, like painters, are condemned to operate at the third level of reality, their products being nothing but worthless imitations which reflect nothing true.
  • 17. Aristotle and his Poetics
  • 18. • The Poetics is the first work of theoretical criticism devoted specifically to poetry in the Western tradition • Poetry for Aristotle is an independent art with its own internal logic, and his emphasis is primarily on its formal aspects without reference to the social, political or religious dimensions which had so preoccupied Plato. • The Poetics is intended as an investigation into the nature of poetry through the classification of its different kinds and the analysis of their function and purpose. Though it contains elements of prescriptive criticism and description, it is primarily a work of aesthetic theory, whose object is to understand how poetry operates and the way in
  • 19. The Poetics is in part a response to Plato's strictures against poetry •Whereas Plato views poetry as an inspired, and therefore irrational activity, Aristotle treats it as the product of skill or art, which is based on rational and intelligible principles. • For Plato the poet has no knowledge, and the imitations which he produces are mere reflections of the external world, at third remove from the ultimate reality of the Forms.
  • 20. • For Aristotle there is a close relationship between imitation and learning. ( since poetry presents us with 'the kinds of things that might happen' in human life, it gives us a generalized view of human nature from which we can learn more than we can from particular facts. • Plato regards poetry, and especially tragedy, as morally harmful in that it stimulates emotions which ought to be suppressed • According to Aristotle, the ability to engage our emotions is an essential feature of tragedy, and one that is positively beneficial in its effects.
  • 21. • Pleasure, which for Plato is the source of poetry's greatest danger, is for Aristotle an intrinsic part of our response to poetry, since all human beings instinctively take delight in 'imitations'. • Aristotle takes over from Plato the idea that poetry, together with other arts such as painting, sculpture, music and dance, is a form of Mimesis, but, unlike Plato, he nowhere explains what he means by this term.
  • 22. • The artistic 'imitation' Aristotle discusses appears to have the following characteristics: # it represents or stands for the object imitated, # it is produced by the act of imitating, # it is similar to the object imitated. • The artist can present things as they are, as they seem to be, or as they ought to be, hence what he offers is a re-fashioning of nature or experience rather than a straightforward copy. • Aristotle explicitly rejects the idea that tragedy mimics reality, when he says that the poet's function is not to describe what has happened, but rather the kinds of thing that might happen.
  • 23. • For Aristotle, tragedy represents the probable rather than the actual, but in doing so it deepens our understanding of the world in which we live. • For Aristotle the poet is a 'maker' but specifically a maker of imitations.
  • 24. Tragedy • Aristotle emphasizes that tragedy must be complete and a whole, with 'a beginning, a middle, and an end' by which he means that the action must have an ordered structure so that events follow on one from another in a logical sequence, and not simply at random. Music: Music, says Aristotle, has a variety of beneficial functions: it can be used, for example, for education of the young, for relaxation and leisure, and for Catharsis.
  • 26. • A large part of Aristotle's discussion is concerned with plot, 'the ordered arrangement of the incidents', since he regards plot as the single most important element in tragedy. It takes precedence over character because "tragedy is a representation, not of people, but of action and life, of happiness and unhappiness -- the happiness and unhappiness are bound up with action. • Poetics is notoriously reticent about the religious explanations of human suffering which are integral to the genre. His neglect of the gods, together with his apparent lack of interest in the social and political implications of tragedy, have been criticized by modern scholars.