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Why don’t ecologists get 
more respect? 
Dawn R. Bazely 
Biology Department, York University, 
Toronto 
Wed 29 Oct 2014, Carolinian Canada Ecoystem Recovery 
Forum, Royal Botanic Gardens, Hamilton, ON, Canada 
http://bit.ly/13muPEZ
“If you want advice on how to save the 
planet don’t walk into an ecology 
department.” 
Hugh Possingham (Ecologist & co-developer of MARXAN software) 
March 2009, Fenner Conference on the Environment, Australia
The ecologists’ framework...
“Today the world’s major unsolved 
challenges all revolve around 
science. By the 2012 election 
cycle, at a time when science is 
influencing every aspect of modern 
life, anti-science views from 
climate-change denial to 
creationism to vaccine refusal have 
become mainstream.” 
Shawn Otto in Fool Me Twice
Why don’t people listen to 
ecologists? 
• The science is too difficult? 
• Ecologists are terrible communicators? 
• We talk about depressing doom & gloom 
scenarios?
Only 18% of Americans have 
actually met a scientist
Council of Canadian Academies 
report: Science Culture: Where 
Canada Stands 2014 
http://www.scienceadvice.ca/en/asse 
ssments/completed/science-culture. 
aspx
Ecologists need help with 
• Understanding: 
• How science feeds into policy… 
• How policy is different from politics 
• We need social scientists!
The policy ecosystem 
Hoogensen et al. 2009 Journal of Human Security.
Policy Defined 
“A policy is typically described as a 
principle or rule to guide decisions and 
achieve rational outcome(s). The term is 
not normally used to denote what is 
actually done, this is normally referred to 
as either procedure or protocol” 
Wikipedia
Human Security 
“freedom from fear, freedom from 
want” 
United Nations 1994 
CAUX Forum
International Polar Year GAPS project 
Gas, Arctic Peoples & Security 
Students: Nora, Paul & Milissa
Conceptualizing Human 
Security
Movement corridors for species
Non-Indigenous Plants in the 
Northwest Territories, Canada 
• Non-indigenous species are already here 
19
Non-Indigenous Plants in the 
Northwest Territories, Canada 
Their numbers decline as we go further 
north 20
Making the case for the 
concept
Interdisciplinary collaborations 
• Are not all equal 
• science academics + NGOs + 
government bureaucrats (multiple 
stakeholder groups) 
• ≠ 
• collaborations between science 
academics and different kinds of 
academics from the social sciences and 
humanities
Uncomfortable & not for 
everyone! 
• Not all academics share the same goals 
• e.g. Political Ecologists offer a critique that 
includes the “science agenda” and ecologists
Benefits of interdisciplinary 
collaborations are still unclear 
• Science of Team Science research asks IF 
& HOW collaboration generates novel, 
innovative, transdisciplinary solutions 
• Previously, there’s been little rigorous 
assessment
My world for 7 years! 
Drolet, D. 2014. Meet 5 academics who have switched disciplines 
mid-career. University Affairs, February 12. (that’s me…)
Bringing it back to Southern 
Ontario Forests
Forests in Southern Ontario
Trillium 
Tanentzap et al. 2010 Forest Ecology & Management
How deer alter forests
RONDEAU 2009 
31 
Rondeau Provincial Park post-years of deer 
herd reductions: politically unpopular but 
evidence-based management
Don’t hide from media
Ecology’s contribution… 
• … to the broader collaborative, 
interdisciplinary table? 
• IMO, kick-ass flow charts
Knowledge as a nutrient
For increasing resilience 
35
Dr. Carlos Nobre, Brazil IPCC
“get a meeting with the minister” 
I explained to Donna 
Cansfield (Minister of 
Natural Resources) in 
2009 that science was 
being swept aside and 
that forest health, as 
assumed under various 
acts (eg ORM) was 
declining via lack of action
Participate beyond science eg. 
Ontario’s Human-Wildlife Conflict 
Advisory Group 
• Provides advice and support to the 
implementation of the “Strategy for 
Preventing and Managing Human- 
Wildlife Conflicts in Ontario” and 
“Strategy for Preventing and Managing 
Human-Deer Conflicts in Southern 
Ontario””. 
• notes from first meeting June 2009
Engage in the Science-Policy 
Interface
Write text books!
Why get out of our comfort zone?
Acknowledgements 
• Norwegian Research Council, for Leiv 
Eiriksson Mobility Fund support. 
• International Polar Year, Government of 
Canada 2006-11. 
• Harvard Forest, Harvard University, for a 
Charles Bullard Fellowship 2011-12 
• For opportunities to get outside of the 
science box into the science-policy-politics 
space

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Carolinian canada rbg oct 2014

  • 1. Why don’t ecologists get more respect? Dawn R. Bazely Biology Department, York University, Toronto Wed 29 Oct 2014, Carolinian Canada Ecoystem Recovery Forum, Royal Botanic Gardens, Hamilton, ON, Canada http://bit.ly/13muPEZ
  • 2. “If you want advice on how to save the planet don’t walk into an ecology department.” Hugh Possingham (Ecologist & co-developer of MARXAN software) March 2009, Fenner Conference on the Environment, Australia
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  • 5. “Today the world’s major unsolved challenges all revolve around science. By the 2012 election cycle, at a time when science is influencing every aspect of modern life, anti-science views from climate-change denial to creationism to vaccine refusal have become mainstream.” Shawn Otto in Fool Me Twice
  • 6. Why don’t people listen to ecologists? • The science is too difficult? • Ecologists are terrible communicators? • We talk about depressing doom & gloom scenarios?
  • 7. Only 18% of Americans have actually met a scientist
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  • 9. Council of Canadian Academies report: Science Culture: Where Canada Stands 2014 http://www.scienceadvice.ca/en/asse ssments/completed/science-culture. aspx
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  • 11. Ecologists need help with • Understanding: • How science feeds into policy… • How policy is different from politics • We need social scientists!
  • 12. The policy ecosystem Hoogensen et al. 2009 Journal of Human Security.
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  • 14. Policy Defined “A policy is typically described as a principle or rule to guide decisions and achieve rational outcome(s). The term is not normally used to denote what is actually done, this is normally referred to as either procedure or protocol” Wikipedia
  • 15. Human Security “freedom from fear, freedom from want” United Nations 1994 CAUX Forum
  • 16. International Polar Year GAPS project Gas, Arctic Peoples & Security Students: Nora, Paul & Milissa
  • 19. Non-Indigenous Plants in the Northwest Territories, Canada • Non-indigenous species are already here 19
  • 20. Non-Indigenous Plants in the Northwest Territories, Canada Their numbers decline as we go further north 20
  • 21. Making the case for the concept
  • 22. Interdisciplinary collaborations • Are not all equal • science academics + NGOs + government bureaucrats (multiple stakeholder groups) • ≠ • collaborations between science academics and different kinds of academics from the social sciences and humanities
  • 23. Uncomfortable & not for everyone! • Not all academics share the same goals • e.g. Political Ecologists offer a critique that includes the “science agenda” and ecologists
  • 24. Benefits of interdisciplinary collaborations are still unclear • Science of Team Science research asks IF & HOW collaboration generates novel, innovative, transdisciplinary solutions • Previously, there’s been little rigorous assessment
  • 25. My world for 7 years! Drolet, D. 2014. Meet 5 academics who have switched disciplines mid-career. University Affairs, February 12. (that’s me…)
  • 26. Bringing it back to Southern Ontario Forests
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  • 29. Trillium Tanentzap et al. 2010 Forest Ecology & Management
  • 30. How deer alter forests
  • 31. RONDEAU 2009 31 Rondeau Provincial Park post-years of deer herd reductions: politically unpopular but evidence-based management
  • 33. Ecology’s contribution… • … to the broader collaborative, interdisciplinary table? • IMO, kick-ass flow charts
  • 34. Knowledge as a nutrient
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  • 37. Dr. Carlos Nobre, Brazil IPCC
  • 38. “get a meeting with the minister” I explained to Donna Cansfield (Minister of Natural Resources) in 2009 that science was being swept aside and that forest health, as assumed under various acts (eg ORM) was declining via lack of action
  • 39. Participate beyond science eg. Ontario’s Human-Wildlife Conflict Advisory Group • Provides advice and support to the implementation of the “Strategy for Preventing and Managing Human- Wildlife Conflicts in Ontario” and “Strategy for Preventing and Managing Human-Deer Conflicts in Southern Ontario””. • notes from first meeting June 2009
  • 40. Engage in the Science-Policy Interface
  • 42. Why get out of our comfort zone?
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  • 45. Acknowledgements • Norwegian Research Council, for Leiv Eiriksson Mobility Fund support. • International Polar Year, Government of Canada 2006-11. • Harvard Forest, Harvard University, for a Charles Bullard Fellowship 2011-12 • For opportunities to get outside of the science box into the science-policy-politics space