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EllenRichter:   Some interesting reading related to #RNchat tonight "Hospital Delirium | Delirium in
                Elderly Patients | Caring.com" http://j.mp/9UuIIa
                6/23/2010 19:58


EllenRichter:   Another good article for #RNchat topic tonight "Hallucinations in Hospital Pose Risk to
                Elderly - NYTimes.com" http://j.mp/akcXBe
                6/23/2010 20:01


EllenRichter:   Excellent tips for patient safety!"Triage: Delirium in elderly patients: an often overlooked
                problem" http://j.mp/agTSnQ #RNchat
                6/23/2010 20:04


EllenRichter:   Article identifies key points for care "Elderly hospital patients facing risk of delirium |
                Deseret News" http://j.mp/cqTwNs #RNchat
                6/23/2010 20:06


EllenRichter:   "Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - Registered Nurse Safe Staffing Act of 2010"
                http://j.mp/d74Hzi #RNchat Topic for tonight's chat
                6/23/2010 20:19


EllenRichter:   A wonderful blog for #RNchat topic tonite "Aging: When the Elderly Have a Sudden Onset
                of Confusion...?" http://j.mp/d4YRFA
                6/23/2010 20:28


nursingpins:    Geriatric Medicine in the Hospital Setting…Very Common Mistakes!
                http://tinyurl.com/23wzaxj #RNchat
                6/23/2010 20:32


EllenRichter:   Do improved nurse:pt ratios really help with pt outcomes? "States Consider Merits of
                Mandated Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cgH49g #RNchat
                6/23/2010 20:39


nursingpins:    What is "active ageing"? (W.H.O) http://www.who.int/ageing/active_ageing/en/index.html
                #RNchat
                6/23/2010 20:39


EllenRichter:   "Mandatory Hospital Nurse to Patient Staffing Ratios: The Argument For & Against
                Mandatory Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cl97RB #RNchat
                6/23/2010 20:46


EllenRichter:   Great #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High Turnover
                Rates of New Nurses - RWJF" http://j.mp/d1ERXT
                6/23/2010 20:53


EllenRichter:   #RNchat nurse:pt ratios "Implications of the California Nurse Staffing Mandate for Other
                States (PubMed Abstract only) http://j.mp/c7KQIS
                6/23/2010 20:55


rnchat:         Just to clear up any possible confusion, tonite @EllenRichter (thats me) will be typing
                under the guise of this account name for #RNchat :)
                6/23/2010 20:58


rnchat:         Signing into TweetGrid for #RNchat (wish the site would remember the password for me)
                :)
                6/23/2010 20:59


chemosabe:      hello all working on the floor, will try to keep up. #rnchat
6/23/2010 21:00


rnchat:            RT @nursingpins: My favorite study re:Ratios - http://scrubsmag.com/nurse-staffing-
                   ratios-save-lives/ #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:01


MatthewBrowning: Go Ellen!! :-) RT @PhilBaumann: Dropping in to say Hi at #RNchat while manic-tasking -
                 @EllenRichter does an amazing job, doesn't she!
                   6/23/2010 21:02


rnchat:            Hello everyone who is joining in tonite! This is #RNchat & I am moderating tonite for
                   @philbaumann ~Welcome nurses & health care professnals
                   6/23/2010 21:03


rnchat:            @chemosabe Appreciate how difficult it is to chat while at work!! #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:03


nursingpins:       Vernon -critical care in new orleans - hi all -thanks for hosting tonight Ellen. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:04


rnchat:            Lets begin with our usual introductions. Please say hello & tell us a tiny bit about
                   yourselves! #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:04


rnchat:            @nursingpins LOL you beat me to it! :) #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:05


seejanenurse:      Telemetry Janey here, hello #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:05


chemosabe:         I'm searching for #rnchat live on TweetGrid Search - http://tweetgrid.com/search?
                   q=%23rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:05


chemosabe:         #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:05


rnchat:            I'm @EllenRichter a critical care nurse & legal nurse consultant. I currently live in south
                   Florida & its hurricane season! :) #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:06


nursingpins:       @chemosabe TweetChat works well most of the time. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:07


chemosabe:         I'm @chemosabe, Oncology NUM, Brisbane, Australia. 11am Thursday down here, and
                   we now have new PM #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:07


rnchat:            Just want to say that #RNchat is a way for nurses (& all others in health care!) to meet,
                   tweet & share feelings, thoughts & ideas~
                   6/23/2010 21:07


chemosabe:         have issues using work computer with both tweetchat and tweetgrid #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:08


MatthewBrowning: RT @RNchat: Just want to say that #RNchat is a way for nurses (& others in health
                 care!) to meet, tweet & share feelings, thoughts & ideas~
                   6/23/2010 21:08
rnchat:           The topics will be labeled T1, T2, etc. Please remember to type topic label & hashtag
                  #RNchat to ea tweet so we can track your responses!
                  6/23/2010 21:08


rnchat:           T1 Looking to Cali RNs for help to discuss our 1st topic. It has to do with mandated
                  staffing ratios #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:11


hiremysisterrn:   #RNchat - I'm' @hiremysisterRN. Sis is a GN/RN looking for work in critical care field,
                  near Philadelphia, PA. Nice to meet you all!
                  6/23/2010 21:12


rnchat:           T1 How can RNs work with hospital admin to ensure compliance with mandated ratios
                  when there are staffing problems, sick calls, etc? #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:14


seejanenurse:     T1 I wonder if it is only CA that has mandated ratios, or do unionized nurses also have
                  ratios enforcement? #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:14


nursingpins:      T1 I think ratios will event. have to be mandated. Hospitals will never allow safe staffing
                  due to cost perceptions. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:14


rnchat:           T1 If RN:pt staffing ratios are mandated by law, how responsible are individual nurses to
                  help maintain compliance? #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:15


seejanenurse:     T1 I think that RNs could sign up for on call, overtime for staffing problems, sick calls etc,
                  if ratios were enforced. #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:15


chemosabe:        T1 Qld uses Business Planning Framework to budget and run units, supposedly including
                  staffing ratios..lol #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:16


rnchat:           @seejanenurse T1 Good question. Does anyone work in a state where RN:pt ratios are
                  mandated by law? #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:16


seejanenurse:     T1 I am personally doing the overtime now, due to understaffing and this just enables
                  admin to "not hire" more. #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:17


nursingpins:      T1 nurses maintain what they can of safe staffing now, ANY improv would help. Would
                  not worry so much about call-ins etc #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:17


rnchat:           @seejanenurse T1 But doesnt mandated overtime cause RN burnout & that ripple effect
                  goes to the patient? #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:18


chemosabe:        T1 our hospital uses casual pool, then agency, then parttimers, then OT. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:19


rnchat:           T1 Are you content with the staffing numbers on the unit you work in? #RNchat
6/23/2010 21:19


seejanenurse:   T1 Yes, I get cranky sometimes from working overtime, I can't do it every week. #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:20


nursingpins:    T1- I tweeted an informal study 2 weeks ago. Over 80% of nurses at 5 hospitals here
                had OT - 40% had more than 16hrs. #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:21


dlwdillon:      RT @nursingpins: Vernon -critical care in new orleans - hi all -thanks for hosting tonight
                Ellen. #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:21


chemosabe:      T1 personally looking at an acuity based staffing model for ambulatory oncology unit
                #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:21


rnchat:         @nursingpins T1 And were those nurses who did more than 16 hrs OT still happy &
                enjoying their work? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:22


seejanenurse:   @nursingpins T1 16 hours in 1 shift, is sick. I once worked from 0700-2300 I almost died.
                I would never, ever say yes to that again. #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:22


nursingpins:    T1 most hospitals have quit using agency here - 2 of the large agencys closed - they let
                you sink or swim! #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:22


rnchat:         @chemosabe T1 We have used acuity-based staffing models but they are only good on
                paper. Not easily fulfilled with hi acuity #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:23


KentBottles:    RT @EllenRichter #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High
                Turnover Rates of New Nurses" http://j.mp/d1ERXT
                6/23/2010 21:24


chemosabe:      @rnchat Thanks Ellen, doing the research currently, always happy to take advice or
                experience #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:24


nursingpins:    T1 most appreciate the OT - but do not enjoy the work - the nursing profession (what is
                left of it) is changing fast. #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:24


rnchat:         T1 Do mandated minimum nurse:patient ratios really impact on patient safety and improve
                patient outcomes upon hospital discharge? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:24


cyclingwidow:   T1 what are your feelings on MANDATORY overtime and how much is too much (from a
                safety perspective)? #RNChat
                6/23/2010 21:24


rnchat:         @KentBottles Thanks for that link RT :) #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:25


nursingpins:    T1 there will be no meaningful improvement in hc until we have safe staffing. #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:25
rnchat:         @cyclingwidow T1 Great question. I hope folks answer it! :) #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:25


chemosabe:      T1 all mandatory staffing issues are only as good as the staff working, skill mix etc...
                #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:25


seejanenurse:   @cyclingwidow I don't think any overtime should be mandatory, I just don't understand
                that concept at all. #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:26


rnchat:         T1 If nurses are mandated by law to work with minimum safe staffing ratios, then we are
                all obligated to help maintain those ratios #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:27


nursingpins:    T1 we have used acuity-based staffing for years - bottom line - you get the same # of
                nurses regardless - just change the#'s #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:27


chemosabe:      T1 no such thing as Mandatory OT in Qld public hospitals #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:27


cyclingwidow:   T1 Hate working overtime only to find my check LESS than normal because of taxes. That
                REALLY discourages #RNCHAT
                6/23/2010 21:28


seejanenurse:   @rnchat I agree, if ratios were mandated, I would understand the responsibility, even if it
                meant working overtime (I do it anyway!) #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:28


rnchat:         T1 There needs to be a part-time pool of nurses to fill in holes in staffing---we shouldn't
                use staff for mandatory OT #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:29


nursingpins:    T1 As long as hospitals do the #'s - there will be no improvement - Nursing needs to be
                outside hospital control. #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:30


cyclingwidow:   @seejanenurse I don't either. Unscheduled MO especially. Yes we are nurses, yes we are
                dedicated to patients but we have lives too #RNCHAT
                6/23/2010 21:30


rnchat:         T1 So does anyone feel mandatory minimum safe staffing numbers shows improvement in
                patient outcomes? Or RN satisfaction? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:30


seejanenurse:   T1 bottom line, I am working overtime anyway, where are the mandated ratios to go along
                with it? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:30


rnchat:         T1 Are patients and nursing staff happier in hospitals where staffing is better? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:31


nursingpins:    T1 most hospitals have prn/pt pools - used for reg staffing - never call unless call-ins
                #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:31
cyclingwidow:     @rnchat Honestly, I think it depends on how the minimum numbers are met, skill levels,
                  overtime, etc #RNCHAT
                  6/23/2010 21:31


seejanenurse:     T1 I have not read the research, but I bet the nurses are more effective, and patient
                  outcomes should follow that, naturally. #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:32


nursingpins:      T1 - hard to say if they are happy are not - have not worked in a well staffed hospital in
                  years. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:32


nursingpins:      T1 I must say - staffing in critical areas has gotten better in the past 5 years. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:33


seejanenurse:     @nursingpins gangbang staffing for years! Oh help us. #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:33


cyclingwidow:     @rnchat Staffing at my current facility is great. When we opened 9 yrs ago everyone was
                  happy. Oh how we forget how good we have it #RNCHAT
                  6/23/2010 21:33


rnchat:           T1 My ICU is supposed to be 2 patients to 1 RN, but with staffing shortages, they easily
                  add a 3rd patient to our load #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:33


nursingpins:      T1 Hospitals must hire people to run the hospitals and let nurses nurse - we can no
                  longer do it all. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:34


rnchat:           So so true! > RT @nursingpins: T1 Hospitals must hire people to run the hospitals and let
                  nurses nurse - we can no longer do it all. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:34


medicalconnect:   RT @nursingpins: T1 Hospitals must hire people to run the hospitals and let nurses nurse
                  - we can no longer do it all. #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:35


rnchat:           T1 I will bring an end to this topic with a link to the bill: Registered Nurse Safe Staffing
                  Act of 2010" http://j.mp/d74Hzi #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:36


chemosabe:        @rnchat is that ventilated patients? #rnchat
                  6/23/2010 21:36


rnchat:           @chemosabe T1 At some hospitals, chronic ventilators are 4:1 or even on step-down
                  units #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:37


seejanenurse:     @rnchat T1 Thanks for the link. #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:37


philbaumann:      @rnchat That used to happen to me. I'd get 3 or 4 criticals, or like 2 criticals plus 2 or 3
                  tele's with dementia. #RNchat
                  6/23/2010 21:38


rnchat:           @philbaumann Dementia....our next topic! :) #RNchat
6/23/2010 21:38


nursechenene:   T1 mandated nurse/pt ratios can improve safety w/ fewer pts to care for-but higher nurse
                demand may trend toward needing a warm body #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:38


rnchat:         OK folks, moving right along to our next topic. We can surely talk about staffing for days
                on end! :) #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:39


nursingpins:    T1 - where ratios will be important is the fast growing postacute/acute units where hosps
                say a nurse cant take 5-often with 3 vents #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:40


rnchat:         T2 Anyone who's cared for elderly pts understands how quickly delirium sets in when
                they're hospitalized! #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:40


seejanenurse:   T2 Yes, put the elderly in an unfamiliar environment, where the <bleep> never ends, they
                will get delirious (so would I) #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:41


cyclingwidow:   @rnchat Add anesthesia to that hospitalization and you've practically got a sure thing
                #RNCHAT
                6/23/2010 21:41


rnchat:         T2 We are aware of safety risks when elderly get confused. What measures can we act
                on to prevent injury while hospitalizd? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:42


rnchat:         I keep getting my T1 & T2 discombobulated :) #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:42


NursePru:       T2 We have alarms built into the bed. Any patient that isn't oriented x 3 has the alarm
                activated to prevent falls. #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:43


seejanenurse:   T2 even young patients, transfer from ICU to telemetry with delirium, they call it ICU
                psychosis. I never believed it, but it true. #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:43


chemosabe:      T2 @rnchat is that your delirium setting in #rnchat
                6/23/2010 21:43


seejanenurse:   T2 I love our bed alarms, they have a voice option. I record, "Stay in bed, wait for your
                nurse." #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:44


rnchat:         @chemosabe LOLLLLLLLLLL #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:44


cyclingwidow:   @rnchat T2 Keep the family involved and make room for a loved one to be with them at
                any time (or all times if they wish) #RNCHAT
                6/23/2010 21:44


rnchat:         T2 Touchy subject: should staffing be increased on units when patients become acutely
                delirious & confused? 1:1 aides? #RNchat
                6/23/2010 21:45
seejanenurse:      @cyclingwidow T1 I am not sure if the night nurse will be happy with that option. I love
                   the helpful family. #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:45


abegler:           RT @EllenRichter: "Mandatory Hospital Nurse Patient Staff Ratios:Argument For &
                   Against Mandatory Staff Ratios" http://j.mp/cl97RB #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:46


nursingpins:       T2 older pts will always be a fall risk-again it gets down to staff-"People"must watch
                   them-some will cont to fall unless watched. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:46


rnchat:            @cyclingwidow T2 Yes, involving the family from the onset is very important when acute
                   confusion is identified in the hospital #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:47


NursePru:          T2 @nursingpins so true. Sometimes alarms aren't enough if staff doesn't get there in
                   time. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:47


seejanenurse:      T1 The 1:1 option with aides, short staffs the floor, unfortunately. It is as if we are being
                   punished even more. #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:47


seejanenurse:      Ooops I meant T2 I am delirious now too. #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:48


rnchat:            T2 Involving the family also prevents them from pointing a finger at the staff for not
                   keeping a close eye. They understand better #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:48


dlwdillon:         RT @nursingpins: T1 most hospitals have quit using agency here - 2 of the large
                   agencys closed - they let you sink or swim! #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:48


NursePru:          T2 For the confused and really impulsive patient's that can't sit still...a sitter is the only
                   true way to keep a patient safe. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:48


dlwdillon:         RT @nursingpins: T1 there will be no meaningful improvement in hc until we have safe
                   staffing. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:48


cyclingwidow:      @seejanenurse We try to practice Family Centered care (helps that we are a Women's
                   hospital--OB/GYN--but the GYN do suffer dementia) #RNCHAT
                   6/23/2010 21:49


nursingpins:       T2 always better when family stays -but we need more NA's too-often 1 NA for each 12 -
                   15pts+plus all they do AND help watch pts. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:49


dlwdillon:         RT @nursingpins: T1 at most hospitals "acuity-based staffing" is a joke. It is meaningless
                   as presently used. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:49


MatthewBrowning: RT @dlwdillon: RT @nursingpins: T1 there will be no meaningful improvement in hc until
we have safe staffing. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:50


wantnews:          RT @rnchat: T1 I will bring an end to this topic with a link to the bill: Registered Nurse
                   Safe Staffing Act of 2010" http://j.mp/d74Hzi #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:50


cyclingwidow:      T2 Hate bring a patient to the desk but have resorted to that, in a recliner chair so that
                   someone would be with the pt at all times #RNCHAT
                   6/23/2010 21:50


nursingpins:       T2 -so many problems would go away if hospitals just hired enough people to take care
                   of the patients. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:51


MatthewBrowning: T2 sorry for late join- Agree Family involvement is huge- IF they have some involved-
                 largest need is more CNA/HHA to meet demand #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 21:51


AbbieCitron:       Lurking all chat RT @NursePru: T2 For the confused-really impulsive patients a sitter is
                   the only true way to keep a patient safe. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:51


rnchat:            @nursingpins T2 I imagine there are also challenges on the side of administration to
                   budget more nursing staff for safe staffing #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:52


nursingpins:       @cyclingwidow pts to the desk at small units works well - but in busy units - not possible.
                   #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:52


MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins even a large contingency pool with a great communications system would
                 improve care- Right now #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 21:52


rnchat:            T2 In ICUs we cant take them to a desk. They are wired in their rooms. Its a challenge to
                   provide safe envirnmt for confused in ICU #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:53


cyclingwidow:      @nursingpins T2 we shouldn't have to resort to that on any unit. #RNCHAT
                   6/23/2010 21:55


nursechenene:      #RNChat T2 nurse:pt ratio and budget justification is not a job I would want.
                   6/23/2010 21:55


MatthewBrowning: @rnchat T2 challenges for certain but patient safety can no longer be a cost-benefit
                 equation- When MY patient is injured bc no help #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 21:55


AbbieCitron:       T2 involving family is important, but can't hold them accountable to keep pt. safe. Often
                   they fall asleep too. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:55


nursingpins:       @MatthewBrowning A large pool would be wonderful! #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 21:55


MatthewBrowning: amen! RT @nursechenene: #RNChat T2 nurse:pt ratio and budget justification is not a
job I would want.
                   6/23/2010 21:55


cyclingwidow:      T2 have also taken turns with other staff, saved our charting to do while sitting with
                   pleasantly confused patients. Not ideal #RNCHAT
                   6/23/2010 21:56


rnchat:            A large pool of the right gene pool too! >> RT @nursingpins: @MatthewBrowning A large
                   pool would be wonderful! #rnchat #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:56


rnchat:            @cyclingwidow T2 Charting in a confused patient's room is an excellent idea. Any staff
                   coverage counts in #ptsafety issues #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:57


cyclingwidow:      @cyclingwidow T2 and definately not possible most of the time. AND not fair to the other
                   patients that are receiving less attention #RNCHAT
                   6/23/2010 21:58


MatthewBrowning: minimum safe staffing ratios with no efficient coverage for absences = Short Staffing, avg
                 nurse vacancy 7-9% #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 21:58


DebErupts:         Adequate nursing staff in the long run SAVES the hospital money. Nurses are worth every
                   penny. #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 21:58


rnchat:            I tweeted a few links to some good reading on points that can send a person, espec
                   elderly, into a confused state when hospitalized #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 21:59


chemosabe:         hey y'all have to go access TIVAD, may miss rest of chat. take care, chat soon. Thanks
                   Ellen and all #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:00


cyclingwidow:      Thanks to all. Must sign out and get 2 little ladies off to bed. #RNCHAT
                   6/23/2010 22:00


DebErupts:         Understaffed hospitals have more errors, bad outcomes, longer stays, lawsuits. Proper
                   staffing is key to good quality care. #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:01


MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins turnover, pt and staff safety, pt outcomes, med errors, surgical errors and
                 fatalities ALL tied to poor staffing #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:01


nursingpins:       @DebErupts studies have shown safe staffing saves noney - infections, turnover, errors,
                   lawsuits - on and on. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:01


nursechenene:      #rnchat And I feel the EMR's are including alot of charting that protects the facility and not
                   the nurse.
                   6/23/2010 22:01


rnchat:            Well, unfortunately our hour has come to an end! Please continue any topic of
                   conversations without me! This was great! #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:02
MatthewBrowning: RT @DebErupts: Adequate nursing staff in the long run SAVES the hospital money.
                 Nurses are worth every penny. #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:02


nursechenene:      #rnchat pt # plus ever changing EMR does frustrate a person. Feel att'n to detail has to
                   be rushed
                   6/23/2010 22:03


MatthewBrowning: My company, YourNurseIsOn.com was created solely to put the right nurse in the right
                 place at the right time-no nurses=no healthcare #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:04


rnchat:            @nursechenene Yes, a good EMR program will work to the benefit of both the hospital &
                   RNs if it is utilized correctly & completely #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:04


DebErupts:         New study examines impact of nurse-patient ratios law, California: http://bit.ly/b63C5u
                   #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:04


MatthewBrowning: RT @nursingpins: @DebErupts studies have shown safe staffing saves noney -
                 infections, turnover, errors, lawsuits - on and on. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:04


rnchat:            I want to thank all of our participants tonight for great tweeting on our topics of discussion.
                   This is truly a wonderful group!! #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:05


MatthewBrowning: I got so tired of ALWAYS having to call nurses 1 at a time- 30/hr HOPING 1 would say
                 "yes" -We are ALL short staffed- all the time #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:06


nursingpins:       Hospitals must start explaining EMR to nurses - many have no clue - and it will be a big
                   problem at the last min. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:06


rnchat:            Do improved nurse:pt ratios really help with pt outcomes? "States Consider Merits of
                   Mandated Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cgH49g #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:07


MatthewBrowning: short staffing also increases "mental health" days, burnout, and causes nurses to LEAVE
                 the profession voluntarily or injured #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:07


DebErupts:         And, Mathew, as a nurse I hated getting those calls every day I had off. Felt guilty if I
                   said, "no." #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:07


rnchat:            Mandatory Hospital Nurse to Patient Staffing Ratios: The Argument For & Against
                   Mandatory Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cl97RB #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:08


rnchat:            Great #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High Turnover
                   Rates of New Nurses - RWJF" http://j.mp/d1ERXT
                   6/23/2010 22:08


MatthewBrowning: @rnchat Thanks for hosting Ellen! @nursingpins Nurse Informatics is becoming HUGE
opportunity for nurses to teach nurses #RNChat
                    6/23/2010 22:08


DebErupts:          RT @rnchat: Great #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to
                    High Turnover Rates of New Nurses - RWJF" http://j.mp/d1ERXT
                    6/23/2010 22:09


MatthewBrowning: Too True! RT @DebErupts: And, Mathew, as a nurse I hated getting those calls every
                 day I had off. Felt guilty if I said, "no." #RNChat
                    6/23/2010 22:09


MatthewBrowning: @DebErupts That is why we made our system collaborative- if we are not available -we
                 should NOT be bothered-If we R, PLEASE call ;-) #RNChat
                    6/23/2010 22:10


rnchat:             @PhilBaumann @seejanenurse @AbbieCitron @cyclingwidow @nursingpins
                    @MatthewBrowning @DebErupts @chemosabe You all make #RNchat great!
                    6/23/2010 22:11


MatthewBrowning: RT @rnchat: T1 There needs to be a part-time pool of nurses to fill in holes in staffing---
                 we shouldn't use staff for mandatory OT #RNchat
                    6/23/2010 22:12


nursingpins:        Pub awareness/education will help ratios before the hospitals will,hospitals have seen
                    nurses as servants since the TS/Diploma days #rnchat
                    6/23/2010 22:13


nursingpins:        RT @MatthewBrowning:RT @rnchat: T1There needs to be a pt pool of nur to fill in holes
                    in staffing-we shouldnt use staff for mand OT #rnchat
                    6/23/2010 22:14


rnchat:             For those who missed tonight's chat, watch for the transcript link to be posted by
                    @PhilBaumann #RNchat
                    6/23/2010 22:14


chemosabe:          back in time for the end, cheers all. #rnchat
                    6/23/2010 22:16


rnchat:             @nursingpins There are more & more authors writing articles & blogs that address the
                    RN:pt ratio issues which raise public awareness #RNchat
                    6/23/2010 22:16


nursingpins:        T1 many nurses can't find jobs- now would be the time for hospitals to hire and train them
                    -before nurses refuse to go back to them. #rnchat
                    6/23/2010 22:17


MatthewBrowning: @rnchat If we cannot contact the right nurse in time- the ratios become hard to meet-
                 add in flex-time and call volume is impossible #RNChat
                    6/23/2010 22:18


nursingpins:        @rnchat Have seen them too - as more people realize the risk they put themselves in by
                    going into the hospital - will help ratios. #rnchat
                    6/23/2010 22:19


MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins LOTS of schools are beginning Nurse Informatics degrees this fall because
                 of HUGE Gov't funding for #HIT Great Opp!! #RNChat
                    6/23/2010 22:20
nursingpins:       T1 mant hospitals do not even try to replace call-ins - pts are redivided and nurses do the
                   best they can. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:20


MatthewBrowning: I do not believe the Boomers will accept same care we give their parents- and aging in
                 place will increase need for homecare nurses #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:21


nursingpins:       @MatthewBrowning I noticed - I think informatics is a wonderful opportunity. The best
                   future for nurses will be Nurse Practioners. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:23


EllenRichter:      @nursingpins "the best they can do" is not always the answer that will fly when something
                   bad occurs as a result of poor staffing #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:24


MatthewBrowning: RT @rnchat: For those who missed tonight's chat, watch for the transcript link to be
                 posted by @PhilBaumann #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:24


MatthewBrowning: RT @rnchat @PhilBaumann @seejanenurse @AbbieCitron @cyclingwidow @nursingpins
                 @MatthewBrowning @DebErupts @chemosabe You make #RNchat great!
                   6/23/2010 22:25


EllenRichter:      @MatthewBrowning Yes geriatric medicine is a growing field--much has to do with
                   refusing to be treated like our grandparents were #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:26


nursingpins:       Many jobs will open up outside hosps - in the near future hosps will not be able to hire
                   enough nurses, they will not work for them #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:26


ColoradoHealth:    RT @EllenRichter: @MatthewBrowning Yes geriatric medicine is a growing field--much
                   has to do with refusing to be treated like our grandparents were #RNchat
                   6/23/2010 22:26


MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins hmmm. maybe- I am FNP and went entrepreneur - the system needs major
                 repair- I hope to fix one little area- staff comm #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:27


MatthewBrowning: @EllenRichter Anything to do with Geri will be hot for next 25 yrs!! #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:29


nursingpins:       @MatthewBrowning There is so much that needs fixing - I agree, staffing is #1 - poor
                   staffing is a major problem of our hc. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:31


MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins my vision with #YNIO is to scan 3000 staff for 300 qualified and available
                 staff and confirm 1 in under 5 minutes ;-) #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:31


MatthewBrowning: Whoops- gotta run- night all! #RNChat
                   6/23/2010 22:32


nursingpins:       @MatthewBrowning Your system will do well -when people get access to hc they have
                   been needing for years hosps will be overflowing. #rnchat
                   6/23/2010 22:34
nursingpins:   @nursingpins But hospitals have done so much to ruin the profession -(Treated so badly)
               many will not go back when needed. #rnchat
               6/23/2010 22:36


TeriRN:        @RNchat oh my I was off today and never saw that there was an #RNChat tonight. Darn
               looked like a great chat. ={
               6/23/2010 22:51


stshno:        We are aware that safe nurse/patient ratios saves lives.Our ratios are among the best in
               the city.The ANA: http://tinyurl.com/nycdyc #rnchat
               6/23/2010 23:00


Wanderer_RN:   @seejanenurse I love it when family stays with the delirious - when they're helpful. Often
               all they do is call us and don't help. #rnchat
               6/24/2010 03:43

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Insights on Mandated Nurse Staffing Ratios and Ensuring Compliance

  • 1. EllenRichter: Some interesting reading related to #RNchat tonight "Hospital Delirium | Delirium in Elderly Patients | Caring.com" http://j.mp/9UuIIa 6/23/2010 19:58 EllenRichter: Another good article for #RNchat topic tonight "Hallucinations in Hospital Pose Risk to Elderly - NYTimes.com" http://j.mp/akcXBe 6/23/2010 20:01 EllenRichter: Excellent tips for patient safety!"Triage: Delirium in elderly patients: an often overlooked problem" http://j.mp/agTSnQ #RNchat 6/23/2010 20:04 EllenRichter: Article identifies key points for care "Elderly hospital patients facing risk of delirium | Deseret News" http://j.mp/cqTwNs #RNchat 6/23/2010 20:06 EllenRichter: "Bill Text - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - Registered Nurse Safe Staffing Act of 2010" http://j.mp/d74Hzi #RNchat Topic for tonight's chat 6/23/2010 20:19 EllenRichter: A wonderful blog for #RNchat topic tonite "Aging: When the Elderly Have a Sudden Onset of Confusion...?" http://j.mp/d4YRFA 6/23/2010 20:28 nursingpins: Geriatric Medicine in the Hospital Setting…Very Common Mistakes! http://tinyurl.com/23wzaxj #RNchat 6/23/2010 20:32 EllenRichter: Do improved nurse:pt ratios really help with pt outcomes? "States Consider Merits of Mandated Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cgH49g #RNchat 6/23/2010 20:39 nursingpins: What is "active ageing"? (W.H.O) http://www.who.int/ageing/active_ageing/en/index.html #RNchat 6/23/2010 20:39 EllenRichter: "Mandatory Hospital Nurse to Patient Staffing Ratios: The Argument For & Against Mandatory Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cl97RB #RNchat 6/23/2010 20:46 EllenRichter: Great #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High Turnover Rates of New Nurses - RWJF" http://j.mp/d1ERXT 6/23/2010 20:53 EllenRichter: #RNchat nurse:pt ratios "Implications of the California Nurse Staffing Mandate for Other States (PubMed Abstract only) http://j.mp/c7KQIS 6/23/2010 20:55 rnchat: Just to clear up any possible confusion, tonite @EllenRichter (thats me) will be typing under the guise of this account name for #RNchat :) 6/23/2010 20:58 rnchat: Signing into TweetGrid for #RNchat (wish the site would remember the password for me) :) 6/23/2010 20:59 chemosabe: hello all working on the floor, will try to keep up. #rnchat
  • 2. 6/23/2010 21:00 rnchat: RT @nursingpins: My favorite study re:Ratios - http://scrubsmag.com/nurse-staffing- ratios-save-lives/ #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:01 MatthewBrowning: Go Ellen!! :-) RT @PhilBaumann: Dropping in to say Hi at #RNchat while manic-tasking - @EllenRichter does an amazing job, doesn't she! 6/23/2010 21:02 rnchat: Hello everyone who is joining in tonite! This is #RNchat & I am moderating tonite for @philbaumann ~Welcome nurses & health care professnals 6/23/2010 21:03 rnchat: @chemosabe Appreciate how difficult it is to chat while at work!! #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:03 nursingpins: Vernon -critical care in new orleans - hi all -thanks for hosting tonight Ellen. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:04 rnchat: Lets begin with our usual introductions. Please say hello & tell us a tiny bit about yourselves! #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:04 rnchat: @nursingpins LOL you beat me to it! :) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:05 seejanenurse: Telemetry Janey here, hello #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:05 chemosabe: I'm searching for #rnchat live on TweetGrid Search - http://tweetgrid.com/search? q=%23rnchat 6/23/2010 21:05 chemosabe: #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:05 rnchat: I'm @EllenRichter a critical care nurse & legal nurse consultant. I currently live in south Florida & its hurricane season! :) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:06 nursingpins: @chemosabe TweetChat works well most of the time. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:07 chemosabe: I'm @chemosabe, Oncology NUM, Brisbane, Australia. 11am Thursday down here, and we now have new PM #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:07 rnchat: Just want to say that #RNchat is a way for nurses (& all others in health care!) to meet, tweet & share feelings, thoughts & ideas~ 6/23/2010 21:07 chemosabe: have issues using work computer with both tweetchat and tweetgrid #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:08 MatthewBrowning: RT @RNchat: Just want to say that #RNchat is a way for nurses (& others in health care!) to meet, tweet & share feelings, thoughts & ideas~ 6/23/2010 21:08
  • 3. rnchat: The topics will be labeled T1, T2, etc. Please remember to type topic label & hashtag #RNchat to ea tweet so we can track your responses! 6/23/2010 21:08 rnchat: T1 Looking to Cali RNs for help to discuss our 1st topic. It has to do with mandated staffing ratios #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:11 hiremysisterrn: #RNchat - I'm' @hiremysisterRN. Sis is a GN/RN looking for work in critical care field, near Philadelphia, PA. Nice to meet you all! 6/23/2010 21:12 rnchat: T1 How can RNs work with hospital admin to ensure compliance with mandated ratios when there are staffing problems, sick calls, etc? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:14 seejanenurse: T1 I wonder if it is only CA that has mandated ratios, or do unionized nurses also have ratios enforcement? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:14 nursingpins: T1 I think ratios will event. have to be mandated. Hospitals will never allow safe staffing due to cost perceptions. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:14 rnchat: T1 If RN:pt staffing ratios are mandated by law, how responsible are individual nurses to help maintain compliance? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:15 seejanenurse: T1 I think that RNs could sign up for on call, overtime for staffing problems, sick calls etc, if ratios were enforced. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:15 chemosabe: T1 Qld uses Business Planning Framework to budget and run units, supposedly including staffing ratios..lol #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:16 rnchat: @seejanenurse T1 Good question. Does anyone work in a state where RN:pt ratios are mandated by law? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:16 seejanenurse: T1 I am personally doing the overtime now, due to understaffing and this just enables admin to "not hire" more. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:17 nursingpins: T1 nurses maintain what they can of safe staffing now, ANY improv would help. Would not worry so much about call-ins etc #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:17 rnchat: @seejanenurse T1 But doesnt mandated overtime cause RN burnout & that ripple effect goes to the patient? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:18 chemosabe: T1 our hospital uses casual pool, then agency, then parttimers, then OT. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:19 rnchat: T1 Are you content with the staffing numbers on the unit you work in? #RNchat
  • 4. 6/23/2010 21:19 seejanenurse: T1 Yes, I get cranky sometimes from working overtime, I can't do it every week. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:20 nursingpins: T1- I tweeted an informal study 2 weeks ago. Over 80% of nurses at 5 hospitals here had OT - 40% had more than 16hrs. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:21 dlwdillon: RT @nursingpins: Vernon -critical care in new orleans - hi all -thanks for hosting tonight Ellen. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:21 chemosabe: T1 personally looking at an acuity based staffing model for ambulatory oncology unit #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:21 rnchat: @nursingpins T1 And were those nurses who did more than 16 hrs OT still happy & enjoying their work? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:22 seejanenurse: @nursingpins T1 16 hours in 1 shift, is sick. I once worked from 0700-2300 I almost died. I would never, ever say yes to that again. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:22 nursingpins: T1 most hospitals have quit using agency here - 2 of the large agencys closed - they let you sink or swim! #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:22 rnchat: @chemosabe T1 We have used acuity-based staffing models but they are only good on paper. Not easily fulfilled with hi acuity #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:23 KentBottles: RT @EllenRichter #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High Turnover Rates of New Nurses" http://j.mp/d1ERXT 6/23/2010 21:24 chemosabe: @rnchat Thanks Ellen, doing the research currently, always happy to take advice or experience #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:24 nursingpins: T1 most appreciate the OT - but do not enjoy the work - the nursing profession (what is left of it) is changing fast. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:24 rnchat: T1 Do mandated minimum nurse:patient ratios really impact on patient safety and improve patient outcomes upon hospital discharge? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:24 cyclingwidow: T1 what are your feelings on MANDATORY overtime and how much is too much (from a safety perspective)? #RNChat 6/23/2010 21:24 rnchat: @KentBottles Thanks for that link RT :) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:25 nursingpins: T1 there will be no meaningful improvement in hc until we have safe staffing. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:25
  • 5. rnchat: @cyclingwidow T1 Great question. I hope folks answer it! :) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:25 chemosabe: T1 all mandatory staffing issues are only as good as the staff working, skill mix etc... #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:25 seejanenurse: @cyclingwidow I don't think any overtime should be mandatory, I just don't understand that concept at all. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:26 rnchat: T1 If nurses are mandated by law to work with minimum safe staffing ratios, then we are all obligated to help maintain those ratios #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:27 nursingpins: T1 we have used acuity-based staffing for years - bottom line - you get the same # of nurses regardless - just change the#'s #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:27 chemosabe: T1 no such thing as Mandatory OT in Qld public hospitals #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:27 cyclingwidow: T1 Hate working overtime only to find my check LESS than normal because of taxes. That REALLY discourages #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:28 seejanenurse: @rnchat I agree, if ratios were mandated, I would understand the responsibility, even if it meant working overtime (I do it anyway!) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:28 rnchat: T1 There needs to be a part-time pool of nurses to fill in holes in staffing---we shouldn't use staff for mandatory OT #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:29 nursingpins: T1 As long as hospitals do the #'s - there will be no improvement - Nursing needs to be outside hospital control. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:30 cyclingwidow: @seejanenurse I don't either. Unscheduled MO especially. Yes we are nurses, yes we are dedicated to patients but we have lives too #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:30 rnchat: T1 So does anyone feel mandatory minimum safe staffing numbers shows improvement in patient outcomes? Or RN satisfaction? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:30 seejanenurse: T1 bottom line, I am working overtime anyway, where are the mandated ratios to go along with it? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:30 rnchat: T1 Are patients and nursing staff happier in hospitals where staffing is better? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:31 nursingpins: T1 most hospitals have prn/pt pools - used for reg staffing - never call unless call-ins #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:31
  • 6. cyclingwidow: @rnchat Honestly, I think it depends on how the minimum numbers are met, skill levels, overtime, etc #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:31 seejanenurse: T1 I have not read the research, but I bet the nurses are more effective, and patient outcomes should follow that, naturally. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:32 nursingpins: T1 - hard to say if they are happy are not - have not worked in a well staffed hospital in years. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:32 nursingpins: T1 I must say - staffing in critical areas has gotten better in the past 5 years. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:33 seejanenurse: @nursingpins gangbang staffing for years! Oh help us. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:33 cyclingwidow: @rnchat Staffing at my current facility is great. When we opened 9 yrs ago everyone was happy. Oh how we forget how good we have it #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:33 rnchat: T1 My ICU is supposed to be 2 patients to 1 RN, but with staffing shortages, they easily add a 3rd patient to our load #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:33 nursingpins: T1 Hospitals must hire people to run the hospitals and let nurses nurse - we can no longer do it all. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:34 rnchat: So so true! > RT @nursingpins: T1 Hospitals must hire people to run the hospitals and let nurses nurse - we can no longer do it all. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:34 medicalconnect: RT @nursingpins: T1 Hospitals must hire people to run the hospitals and let nurses nurse - we can no longer do it all. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:35 rnchat: T1 I will bring an end to this topic with a link to the bill: Registered Nurse Safe Staffing Act of 2010" http://j.mp/d74Hzi #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:36 chemosabe: @rnchat is that ventilated patients? #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:36 rnchat: @chemosabe T1 At some hospitals, chronic ventilators are 4:1 or even on step-down units #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:37 seejanenurse: @rnchat T1 Thanks for the link. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:37 philbaumann: @rnchat That used to happen to me. I'd get 3 or 4 criticals, or like 2 criticals plus 2 or 3 tele's with dementia. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:38 rnchat: @philbaumann Dementia....our next topic! :) #RNchat
  • 7. 6/23/2010 21:38 nursechenene: T1 mandated nurse/pt ratios can improve safety w/ fewer pts to care for-but higher nurse demand may trend toward needing a warm body #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:38 rnchat: OK folks, moving right along to our next topic. We can surely talk about staffing for days on end! :) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:39 nursingpins: T1 - where ratios will be important is the fast growing postacute/acute units where hosps say a nurse cant take 5-often with 3 vents #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:40 rnchat: T2 Anyone who's cared for elderly pts understands how quickly delirium sets in when they're hospitalized! #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:40 seejanenurse: T2 Yes, put the elderly in an unfamiliar environment, where the <bleep> never ends, they will get delirious (so would I) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:41 cyclingwidow: @rnchat Add anesthesia to that hospitalization and you've practically got a sure thing #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:41 rnchat: T2 We are aware of safety risks when elderly get confused. What measures can we act on to prevent injury while hospitalizd? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:42 rnchat: I keep getting my T1 & T2 discombobulated :) #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:42 NursePru: T2 We have alarms built into the bed. Any patient that isn't oriented x 3 has the alarm activated to prevent falls. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:43 seejanenurse: T2 even young patients, transfer from ICU to telemetry with delirium, they call it ICU psychosis. I never believed it, but it true. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:43 chemosabe: T2 @rnchat is that your delirium setting in #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:43 seejanenurse: T2 I love our bed alarms, they have a voice option. I record, "Stay in bed, wait for your nurse." #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:44 rnchat: @chemosabe LOLLLLLLLLLL #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:44 cyclingwidow: @rnchat T2 Keep the family involved and make room for a loved one to be with them at any time (or all times if they wish) #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:44 rnchat: T2 Touchy subject: should staffing be increased on units when patients become acutely delirious & confused? 1:1 aides? #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:45
  • 8. seejanenurse: @cyclingwidow T1 I am not sure if the night nurse will be happy with that option. I love the helpful family. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:45 abegler: RT @EllenRichter: "Mandatory Hospital Nurse Patient Staff Ratios:Argument For & Against Mandatory Staff Ratios" http://j.mp/cl97RB #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:46 nursingpins: T2 older pts will always be a fall risk-again it gets down to staff-"People"must watch them-some will cont to fall unless watched. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:46 rnchat: @cyclingwidow T2 Yes, involving the family from the onset is very important when acute confusion is identified in the hospital #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:47 NursePru: T2 @nursingpins so true. Sometimes alarms aren't enough if staff doesn't get there in time. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:47 seejanenurse: T1 The 1:1 option with aides, short staffs the floor, unfortunately. It is as if we are being punished even more. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:47 seejanenurse: Ooops I meant T2 I am delirious now too. #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:48 rnchat: T2 Involving the family also prevents them from pointing a finger at the staff for not keeping a close eye. They understand better #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:48 dlwdillon: RT @nursingpins: T1 most hospitals have quit using agency here - 2 of the large agencys closed - they let you sink or swim! #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:48 NursePru: T2 For the confused and really impulsive patient's that can't sit still...a sitter is the only true way to keep a patient safe. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:48 dlwdillon: RT @nursingpins: T1 there will be no meaningful improvement in hc until we have safe staffing. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:48 cyclingwidow: @seejanenurse We try to practice Family Centered care (helps that we are a Women's hospital--OB/GYN--but the GYN do suffer dementia) #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:49 nursingpins: T2 always better when family stays -but we need more NA's too-often 1 NA for each 12 - 15pts+plus all they do AND help watch pts. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:49 dlwdillon: RT @nursingpins: T1 at most hospitals "acuity-based staffing" is a joke. It is meaningless as presently used. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:49 MatthewBrowning: RT @dlwdillon: RT @nursingpins: T1 there will be no meaningful improvement in hc until
  • 9. we have safe staffing. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:50 wantnews: RT @rnchat: T1 I will bring an end to this topic with a link to the bill: Registered Nurse Safe Staffing Act of 2010" http://j.mp/d74Hzi #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:50 cyclingwidow: T2 Hate bring a patient to the desk but have resorted to that, in a recliner chair so that someone would be with the pt at all times #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:50 nursingpins: T2 -so many problems would go away if hospitals just hired enough people to take care of the patients. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:51 MatthewBrowning: T2 sorry for late join- Agree Family involvement is huge- IF they have some involved- largest need is more CNA/HHA to meet demand #RNChat 6/23/2010 21:51 AbbieCitron: Lurking all chat RT @NursePru: T2 For the confused-really impulsive patients a sitter is the only true way to keep a patient safe. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:51 rnchat: @nursingpins T2 I imagine there are also challenges on the side of administration to budget more nursing staff for safe staffing #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:52 nursingpins: @cyclingwidow pts to the desk at small units works well - but in busy units - not possible. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:52 MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins even a large contingency pool with a great communications system would improve care- Right now #RNChat 6/23/2010 21:52 rnchat: T2 In ICUs we cant take them to a desk. They are wired in their rooms. Its a challenge to provide safe envirnmt for confused in ICU #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:53 cyclingwidow: @nursingpins T2 we shouldn't have to resort to that on any unit. #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:55 nursechenene: #RNChat T2 nurse:pt ratio and budget justification is not a job I would want. 6/23/2010 21:55 MatthewBrowning: @rnchat T2 challenges for certain but patient safety can no longer be a cost-benefit equation- When MY patient is injured bc no help #RNChat 6/23/2010 21:55 AbbieCitron: T2 involving family is important, but can't hold them accountable to keep pt. safe. Often they fall asleep too. #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:55 nursingpins: @MatthewBrowning A large pool would be wonderful! #rnchat 6/23/2010 21:55 MatthewBrowning: amen! RT @nursechenene: #RNChat T2 nurse:pt ratio and budget justification is not a
  • 10. job I would want. 6/23/2010 21:55 cyclingwidow: T2 have also taken turns with other staff, saved our charting to do while sitting with pleasantly confused patients. Not ideal #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:56 rnchat: A large pool of the right gene pool too! >> RT @nursingpins: @MatthewBrowning A large pool would be wonderful! #rnchat #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:56 rnchat: @cyclingwidow T2 Charting in a confused patient's room is an excellent idea. Any staff coverage counts in #ptsafety issues #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:57 cyclingwidow: @cyclingwidow T2 and definately not possible most of the time. AND not fair to the other patients that are receiving less attention #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 21:58 MatthewBrowning: minimum safe staffing ratios with no efficient coverage for absences = Short Staffing, avg nurse vacancy 7-9% #RNChat 6/23/2010 21:58 DebErupts: Adequate nursing staff in the long run SAVES the hospital money. Nurses are worth every penny. #RNChat 6/23/2010 21:58 rnchat: I tweeted a few links to some good reading on points that can send a person, espec elderly, into a confused state when hospitalized #RNchat 6/23/2010 21:59 chemosabe: hey y'all have to go access TIVAD, may miss rest of chat. take care, chat soon. Thanks Ellen and all #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:00 cyclingwidow: Thanks to all. Must sign out and get 2 little ladies off to bed. #RNCHAT 6/23/2010 22:00 DebErupts: Understaffed hospitals have more errors, bad outcomes, longer stays, lawsuits. Proper staffing is key to good quality care. #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:01 MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins turnover, pt and staff safety, pt outcomes, med errors, surgical errors and fatalities ALL tied to poor staffing #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:01 nursingpins: @DebErupts studies have shown safe staffing saves noney - infections, turnover, errors, lawsuits - on and on. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:01 nursechenene: #rnchat And I feel the EMR's are including alot of charting that protects the facility and not the nurse. 6/23/2010 22:01 rnchat: Well, unfortunately our hour has come to an end! Please continue any topic of conversations without me! This was great! #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:02
  • 11. MatthewBrowning: RT @DebErupts: Adequate nursing staff in the long run SAVES the hospital money. Nurses are worth every penny. #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:02 nursechenene: #rnchat pt # plus ever changing EMR does frustrate a person. Feel att'n to detail has to be rushed 6/23/2010 22:03 MatthewBrowning: My company, YourNurseIsOn.com was created solely to put the right nurse in the right place at the right time-no nurses=no healthcare #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:04 rnchat: @nursechenene Yes, a good EMR program will work to the benefit of both the hospital & RNs if it is utilized correctly & completely #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:04 DebErupts: New study examines impact of nurse-patient ratios law, California: http://bit.ly/b63C5u #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:04 MatthewBrowning: RT @nursingpins: @DebErupts studies have shown safe staffing saves noney - infections, turnover, errors, lawsuits - on and on. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:04 rnchat: I want to thank all of our participants tonight for great tweeting on our topics of discussion. This is truly a wonderful group!! #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:05 MatthewBrowning: I got so tired of ALWAYS having to call nurses 1 at a time- 30/hr HOPING 1 would say "yes" -We are ALL short staffed- all the time #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:06 nursingpins: Hospitals must start explaining EMR to nurses - many have no clue - and it will be a big problem at the last min. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:06 rnchat: Do improved nurse:pt ratios really help with pt outcomes? "States Consider Merits of Mandated Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cgH49g #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:07 MatthewBrowning: short staffing also increases "mental health" days, burnout, and causes nurses to LEAVE the profession voluntarily or injured #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:07 DebErupts: And, Mathew, as a nurse I hated getting those calls every day I had off. Felt guilty if I said, "no." #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:07 rnchat: Mandatory Hospital Nurse to Patient Staffing Ratios: The Argument For & Against Mandatory Staffing Ratios" http://j.mp/cl97RB #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:08 rnchat: Great #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High Turnover Rates of New Nurses - RWJF" http://j.mp/d1ERXT 6/23/2010 22:08 MatthewBrowning: @rnchat Thanks for hosting Ellen! @nursingpins Nurse Informatics is becoming HUGE
  • 12. opportunity for nurses to teach nurses #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:08 DebErupts: RT @rnchat: Great #RNchat topic read! "Surprises in Work Environment Contribute to High Turnover Rates of New Nurses - RWJF" http://j.mp/d1ERXT 6/23/2010 22:09 MatthewBrowning: Too True! RT @DebErupts: And, Mathew, as a nurse I hated getting those calls every day I had off. Felt guilty if I said, "no." #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:09 MatthewBrowning: @DebErupts That is why we made our system collaborative- if we are not available -we should NOT be bothered-If we R, PLEASE call ;-) #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:10 rnchat: @PhilBaumann @seejanenurse @AbbieCitron @cyclingwidow @nursingpins @MatthewBrowning @DebErupts @chemosabe You all make #RNchat great! 6/23/2010 22:11 MatthewBrowning: RT @rnchat: T1 There needs to be a part-time pool of nurses to fill in holes in staffing--- we shouldn't use staff for mandatory OT #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:12 nursingpins: Pub awareness/education will help ratios before the hospitals will,hospitals have seen nurses as servants since the TS/Diploma days #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:13 nursingpins: RT @MatthewBrowning:RT @rnchat: T1There needs to be a pt pool of nur to fill in holes in staffing-we shouldnt use staff for mand OT #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:14 rnchat: For those who missed tonight's chat, watch for the transcript link to be posted by @PhilBaumann #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:14 chemosabe: back in time for the end, cheers all. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:16 rnchat: @nursingpins There are more & more authors writing articles & blogs that address the RN:pt ratio issues which raise public awareness #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:16 nursingpins: T1 many nurses can't find jobs- now would be the time for hospitals to hire and train them -before nurses refuse to go back to them. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:17 MatthewBrowning: @rnchat If we cannot contact the right nurse in time- the ratios become hard to meet- add in flex-time and call volume is impossible #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:18 nursingpins: @rnchat Have seen them too - as more people realize the risk they put themselves in by going into the hospital - will help ratios. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:19 MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins LOTS of schools are beginning Nurse Informatics degrees this fall because of HUGE Gov't funding for #HIT Great Opp!! #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:20
  • 13. nursingpins: T1 mant hospitals do not even try to replace call-ins - pts are redivided and nurses do the best they can. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:20 MatthewBrowning: I do not believe the Boomers will accept same care we give their parents- and aging in place will increase need for homecare nurses #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:21 nursingpins: @MatthewBrowning I noticed - I think informatics is a wonderful opportunity. The best future for nurses will be Nurse Practioners. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:23 EllenRichter: @nursingpins "the best they can do" is not always the answer that will fly when something bad occurs as a result of poor staffing #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:24 MatthewBrowning: RT @rnchat: For those who missed tonight's chat, watch for the transcript link to be posted by @PhilBaumann #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:24 MatthewBrowning: RT @rnchat @PhilBaumann @seejanenurse @AbbieCitron @cyclingwidow @nursingpins @MatthewBrowning @DebErupts @chemosabe You make #RNchat great! 6/23/2010 22:25 EllenRichter: @MatthewBrowning Yes geriatric medicine is a growing field--much has to do with refusing to be treated like our grandparents were #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:26 nursingpins: Many jobs will open up outside hosps - in the near future hosps will not be able to hire enough nurses, they will not work for them #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:26 ColoradoHealth: RT @EllenRichter: @MatthewBrowning Yes geriatric medicine is a growing field--much has to do with refusing to be treated like our grandparents were #RNchat 6/23/2010 22:26 MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins hmmm. maybe- I am FNP and went entrepreneur - the system needs major repair- I hope to fix one little area- staff comm #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:27 MatthewBrowning: @EllenRichter Anything to do with Geri will be hot for next 25 yrs!! #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:29 nursingpins: @MatthewBrowning There is so much that needs fixing - I agree, staffing is #1 - poor staffing is a major problem of our hc. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:31 MatthewBrowning: @nursingpins my vision with #YNIO is to scan 3000 staff for 300 qualified and available staff and confirm 1 in under 5 minutes ;-) #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:31 MatthewBrowning: Whoops- gotta run- night all! #RNChat 6/23/2010 22:32 nursingpins: @MatthewBrowning Your system will do well -when people get access to hc they have been needing for years hosps will be overflowing. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:34
  • 14. nursingpins: @nursingpins But hospitals have done so much to ruin the profession -(Treated so badly) many will not go back when needed. #rnchat 6/23/2010 22:36 TeriRN: @RNchat oh my I was off today and never saw that there was an #RNChat tonight. Darn looked like a great chat. ={ 6/23/2010 22:51 stshno: We are aware that safe nurse/patient ratios saves lives.Our ratios are among the best in the city.The ANA: http://tinyurl.com/nycdyc #rnchat 6/23/2010 23:00 Wanderer_RN: @seejanenurse I love it when family stays with the delirious - when they're helpful. Often all they do is call us and don't help. #rnchat 6/24/2010 03:43