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Osmosis: The Bane of Liquid Applied
Waterproofing Membranes
WESTFORD SYMPOSIUM SUMMER CAMP 2014:
GRAHAM FINCH, MASC, P.ENG
PRINCIPAL, BUILDING SCIENCE RESEARCH SPECIALIST, RDH BUILDING ENGINEERING
Outline
 The Waterproofing Conundrum
 Proving It
 Testing It
 Measuring It
 Findings to Date
 What to Look for?
 What Next?
Inquisitive:
definition: eager to learn or learn more, to be curious, desire to
solve problems.. …engineers!
The Waterproofing
Conundrum
Vancouver c. 2004 – 5 year roof review
Really Heavy
Pink Stuff
Liquid Waterproofing
over Concrete Deck
Water Filled Blisters
Under Pressure
30-60 mil Liquid Applied Waterproofing
Membrane Cut & Water
Released from Blister
Liquid Water Below Membrane &
Reported Intermittent Leaks
Lots of water below
the membrane
Problematic Roof Assemblies Affected
 Concrete Pavers, Ballast, or
Dirt/Green Roof
 Pedestals (optional)
 Filter Fabric
 XPS Insulation (over heated
space)
 Drainage Mat (optional)
 Liquid membrane
 Concrete roof slab
Blistering observed over both conditioned (interior) and
unconditioned space (parking garages), within planters, green
roofs, and water features
2004 - Evaluating the Problem
 Systemic failure of 5 year old
waterproofing membrane throughout
massive 4 tower residential complex
 Just one of many buildings affected
that we were aware of
 Cause of the blistering unknown at
the time
 Apparent correlation with membrane
thickness
 Initial monitoring & research started
2004 – Membrane “Blistering Index”
>90 mils okay?
Vancouver c.2008 The Problem Grows…
Blisters Everywhere you Dig!
Gallons of Water Beneath Membranes
Leaks, Lawsuits &
Membrane Renewals
Membrane Blisters Lifting Pavers & Leaks
Membrane Blisters Lifting Pavers & Leaks
Paver Water Beds!
Polyurethane Membrane
Blisters in Water Features
2008 – Updated Blister Index
10
12
12
10
11
2004 2008
Nothing below 50%
2008 – State of Affairs
 Systemic issue affecting mostly asphalt modified
polyurethane membranes in protected membrane roofs
over concrete decks
 2 similar membranes from 2 major manufacturers
 Findings – Water Filled Blisters
 Membranes 3 to 15 years old with blisters
 Membranes 30-60 mils, some up to 120 mils
 Blisters filled with water under pressure
 Blisters range from penny size to entire roof deck areas
 No obvious detail or discontinuity
 Top of membrane almost always wet
 Ability to lift pavers, expand/grow over time
Theories & Urban Legends
Industry Perception Pre 2008
 Many hypotheses and strong
opinions as to the blistering
mechanisms
 Little building science
understanding or research –
lots of speculation
 Blame fell to many roofers
and the liquid membrane
manufacturers
 Reports of problems
worldwide
Theory #1: Pinholes in Thin Membrane
? In but not out
Theory #2: Hydrostatic Head from Details
? Self contained fully
adhered blisters far
away from any details
Theory #3: Vapor Diffusion from Inside
INDOORS
OUTDOORS
OUT
IN
Theory #4: Diffusion & Capillary from Outside
INDOORS
OUTDOORS
OUTSIDE &
BLISTER
WATER
EQUAL
Hypothesis: Osmosis
 Osmosis developed as a possible hypothesis after
debunking all other options
 Osmosis is the flow of water across a semi-permeable
membrane from the side of low to high salt (solute)
concentration
 Requires 2 things:
 Difference in salt (solute, metal ion) concentration
 A membrane permeable to water molecules, but with pore
structure too small for dissolved ions to pass
What is Osmosis?
Osmosis:
Water flows through
membrane from lower to
higher dissolved salt Ion
concentration
Salty
Water
Fresh
Water
Fresh
Water
Salty
Water
Membrane
Osmotic
Pressure
Fresh
Water
Salty
Water
Applied Pressure
Equilibrium:
Osmotic pressure is the pressure
required to stop water flow and
reach equilibrium across
membrane
Reverse Osmosis:
Mechanical pressure greater
than the natural osmotic
pressure is applied to filter
dissolved salt ions out and
create fresh water
Osmosis in Other Applications
 Not well documented by
building/roofing industry
 Either rare or unreported
 Other industries:
 Fiberglass boat hulls
• Uncured resins create
chemical osmotic cell
 Epoxy Floor Coatings
• Moisture from slabs on grade
create blisters beneath
certain membranes
 Bridge decks
• De-icing salts cause blistering
of coatings
Could it Be Osmosis?
 Questions to answer:
 Is the blister water salty?
 What is the osmotic pressure difference between rainwater and
blister water?
 Is the waterproofing membrane semi-permeable?
 Industry resources available
 Reverse Osmosis filter industry – formulas/calculators for
reverse osmosis system pressures based on dissolved salt
concentrations
 Visual/ microscope & vapor permeance testing (ASTM E96) for
relative permeability of membrane
Water Extraction For Testing
Is the Blister Water Salty?
 Blister water extracted from several
roofs & sent to 3rd party water lab
 Blister water found to contains high
concentrations of dissolved metals:
 Sodium: naturally occurring within
cement and aggregates
 Potassium: potash used within concrete
additive
 Silicon: naturally occurring within cement
and aggregates
 Rainwater from ponding water - no
relevant concentration of minerals
What is the Osmotic Pressure Potential?
 Blister water contains: Sodium, Potassium, Silicon
and traces of other dissolved minerals including
Boron, Magnesium, Tin and other stuff!
 Calculated osmotic suction pressures for different
blister water samples found to range from 300 to
400 kPa (43 to 58 psi)!
 Reinforces finding that water extracted from
membrane blister tended to be under some
positive pressure
 As blisters form and grow, the membrane
delaminates – so full pressures are never
realized
 For reference – brackish water = 25 kPa (3.6
psi), seawater 2500 kPa (363 psi)
Membrane Removal
Is the Membrane Permeable?
Membrane #1 – Aged 30 mil moisture cure chemistry, removed from roof
Is the Membrane Permeable?
Membrane #2 – Aged 60 mil moisture cure chemistry, removed from roof
Is the Membrane Permeable?
 Many manufacturers were in 2008 and still are today reporting
ASTM E96 vapor permeance ‘dry-cup’ values
 Tested both aged (removed from site) and new (laboratory made)
membrane samples for each
 Tested: dry, wet, and inverted wet cup
Lab, 50% RH
0% RH, Desiccant
DRY CUP –
Average RH = 25%
Lab, 50% RH
100% RH, water
WET CUP –
Average RH = 75%
Lab, 50% RH
100% RH, water
Inverted WET CUP –
Average RH = 75% + H20
Are These Membranes Permeable?
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
D RY CUP WET CUP I N VERT ED WET
CUP
VAPORPERMEANCE-USPERMS
VAPOR PERM EANCE OF LIQUID M EM BRANES
Aged Membrane 1
- 30 mils
Aged Membrane 2
- 60 mils
New Membrane 3 -
120 mils
SBS/ Hot Rubber
Impact of High Vapor Permeance
 How does the concrete get wet or water initially get below
the membrane to create the osmotic cell?
1. Fresh cast concrete is initially saturated or rained on
2. Condensation & liquid water within bug holes and unfilled
surface voids below membrane
3. Vapor diffusion from topside of membrane – until water &
equilibrium on both sides
1 2 3
60
80
100
120
140
2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
MOISTUREINTOPSURFACEOFCONCRETE(KG/M3)
WUFI SIMULATED MOISTURE CONTENT OF TOP 1/ 2" OF CONCRETE SLAB -
COMPARISON BY MEMBRANE TYPE
Impermeable hot rubber
waterproofing
Semi-permeable asphalt
modified polyurethane
waterproofing
Impact of High Vapour Permeance
drying trend
wetting trend
How to Measure Osmotic Flow Rate?
 Dissolved salt/metal ion
concentration difference
across membrane?
 Membrane permeable to
water?
 Mechanism of initial
wetting?
 Measure osmotic flow rate
directly
Osmosis:
Water flows through
membrane from lower to
higher dissolved salt Ion
concentration
Salty
Water
Fresh
Water
Membrane
√
√
√
? Measure movement of water
across waterproofing
membrane with salt water
from site
Chamber Concepts: Version 1.0
Chamber Concepts: Version 1.1
Chamber Concepts: Version 1.2
Chamber Concepts: Version 1.3
Chamber Concepts: Versions 2.0 & 2.1
Chamber Concepts: Version 3.0
Sometimes simpler is better…
Osmotic Flow Laboratory Apparatus
Salty
Water
Fresh
Water
Membrane
Increase in Volume = Flow
through Membrane
Salty
Water
Fresh
Water
Membrane
Initial Setup, Pressure within Container is
equal to atmospheric.
Patm
Patm
Pc = Patm
Pc>P atm
Osmosis occurs until Pressure within container
reaches the Osmotic Pressure
Osmotic Flow
250 mL Glass container
with open screw-top lid
Brass coated or plastic
screw-top lid
Waterproofing Membrane
Membrane bedded in
waterproof epoxy, epoxy
fills voids in screw top lid
and prevents unscrewing
Salty
Water
Proof of Concept Testing
Measured
volume/mass
rates up to
15 L/m2/day
per
manufacturers
specs
Commercial reverse osmosis filter
At Last… Some Results
Measured Osmotic Flow – Control Samples
0
500
1000
1500
2000
2500
3000
0
50
100
150
200
250
300
OSMOTICFLOWTHROUGHMEMBRANE-g/m2
DAYS FROM START OF TEST
OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANE - INFLUENCE OF OSMOTIC
PRESSURE POTENTIAL
Membrane #1 - 0 M NaCl, water control sample
Membrane #1 - 0.1 M NaCl - 460 kPa
Membrane #1 - 1.0 M NaCl - 55,000 kPa
Control sample with no osmotic difference - moisture
uptake due to absorption into membrane only
9.7 g/ m2/ day
5.9 g/ m2/ day
~0 g/ m2/ day
Measured Osmotic Flow – Blister Water
0
200
400
600
800
1000
1200
1400
1600
1800
2000
0
25
50
75
100
125
150
OSMOTICFLOWTHROUGHMEMBRANE-g/m2
DAYS FROM START OF TEST
OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANE - INFLUENCE OF OSMOTIC
PRESSURE POTENTIAL
Membrane #1 - 0 M NaCl, water control sample
Membrane #1 - 0.1 M NaCl - 460 kPa
Membrane #1 - 1.0 M NaCl - 55,000 kPa
Membrane #1 - Blister Water - 326 kPa
Aged Membrane Testing
0
500
1000
1500
2000
0
25
50
75
100
125
150
OSMOTICFLOWRATE-g/m2
DAYS FROM START OF TEST
AVERAGE OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANES #1 & #2
Membrane #1 - 30 mil Aged
Membrane #2 - 60 mil Aged
0
200
400
600
800
1000
1200
1400
1600
0 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 200
OsmoticFlowRate-g/m2
# days from start of test
OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH VARIOUS ASPHALT MODIFIED POLYURETHANE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANES
Membrane #1 - 30 mil - blistered
Membrane #1 - 30 mil - blistered
Membrane #2 - 60 mil - blistered
Membrane #3 - 70 mil - blistered
Membrane #5 - 120 mil - unknown
performance
Membrane #7 - 60 mil - unknown
performance
Membrane #9 - 100 mil - unknown
performance
Membrane #10 - 100 mil - unknown
performance
New vs Aged Membrane Testing
Aged -
Blistered
New – Unknown
Performance
Same membrane
manuf. & chemistry
Impacts of Primers?
0
50
100
150
200
250
300
350
400
0 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 200 220 240 260
OsmoticFlowthroughmembrane-g/m2
Days from Start of Test
EFFECT OF MEMBRANE PRIMER TYPE - POLYURETHANE VS EPOXY
Epoxy Primer on membrane - 0.5 Perms
Polyurethane Primer on membrane - 0.9 Perms
Findings – Original Membranes
 Asphalt modified polyurethane membranes have serious
shortcomings as waterproofing
 Vapor permeance typically >5 US Perms after aging, even if initially
<1 US perms
 Osmotic Flow Rates of 5-12 g/m2/day,
(up to 20+ g/m2/day with some 10-15 year old membranes)
 Aged values much worse than initial
• Impacts of alkaline environment and constant wetting?
 Some primers effective at reducing flow rate, but difficult to apply to
sufficient thickness in field
 Conclusion – if we could reduce osmotic flow rate to less than the
vapor diffusion rate through concrete slab then could we be okay?
Summary: Osmotic Blistering Process
 Top surface of the membrane wet all year
(insulation/dirt/water feature)
 Moisture moves though the membrane via
vapor diffusion
 Concrete less permeable than the
membrane = moisture accumulation
 Moisture dissolves minerals from concrete
 Osmosis forms small blisters at localized
voids or de-bonded areas of membrane
 Osmotic pressure grows and continues
expanding blisters over time
Water on top of membrane almost year round in inverted ro
assembly (poor slope = more water)
Concrete is initially at or close to saturation. Vapour diffus
moves additional moisture though membrane to concrete
interface.
Concrete is less permeable than membrane and water begin
saturate the concrete and accumulate at the membrane
interface.
Mineral ions dissolve out of concrete increasing the salt
concentration of the water beneath the membrane. Osmosi
begins and small blisters are formed.
Vapour diffusion to interior through concrete is relatively
slow compared to the rate transported by Osmosis.
Blisters grow and expand due to osmotic flow.
Worldwide Findings
 RDH observations
 Pacific Northwest to California
 Reported Osmotic Blistering issues by others through
discussions and by our project involvement
 Florida & Southern US
 Hawaii
 New Zealand
 Europe & Asia
 Appears more prevalent in temperate, humid climates –
where water is able to sit on membrane year-round
 Or in ponds, planters and other wet places
Added to Hartwig Kuenzel’s Roofing Book
Lots of Repairs Made… With Other MaterialsMany Blistered Membrane Renewals Projects
A Little Caution About Roofers & Tie-ins…
New and Ongoing Research
 Between 2008 and 2014 we have worked with numerous liquid
applied membrane manufacturers to address osmosis
 Measure osmotic flow rate, vapor permeance, absorption
 Assess impacts of thickness, reinforcing, primers, fillers, cure
method, different chemistries, etc.
 Looked at alternate membrane chemistries & membrane types
• 2 component & single component chemistries
• Polyurethanes (asphalt and non-asphalt modified)
• Polyureas
• Polyesters
• PMMAs
• Asphalt Emulsions
 Continued testing of original two membrane offenders & other
membranes applied in past decade (litigation and R&D)
Laboratory Apparatus Revisions
Improved lid with
powder-coated
corrosion proof
finish & improved
epoxy seal to keep
water out of gap &
consistent
measurement
What About Polyureas
What About Polyureas?
0
250
500
750
1000
1250
1500
0 20 40 60 80 100 120
OSMOTICFLOWTHROUGHMEMBRANE,g/m²
Days from Start of Test
VARIOUS POLYUREA MEMBRANES (7 TYPES) AVERAGED OSMOTIC FLOW RATES
What About Polyureas?
Aged asphalt modified
urethane control sample
7 new different polyurea
chemistries
What About Polyureas
Membrane
Sample Name
Membrane
Thickness:
Average, mils
Range, mils
Osmotic Flow
Rate
Average, g/m2/day
Range, g/m2/day
Water Absorption
- % & Time to
Reach Equilibrium
Inverted Vapour
Permeance as
Measured:
US Perms
Grey 83 2.9 1.5%, <7 days 1.4 US Perms
Brown 78 2.0 2.0%, <7 days 2.2 US Perms
Beige 83 2.3 1.6%, <7 days 1.2 US Perms
Grey 2 135 2.9 0.6%, <7 days 1.9 US Perms
Grey 3 34 5.3 1.3%, <7 days 3.5 US Perms
Orange 106 2.3 1.2%, <7 days 1.2 US Perms
Green 74 2.9 1.6%, <7 days 2.1 US Perms
RED = BAD TRAIT, GREEN = DESIRABLE TRAIT
What About Other Chemistries?
What About Other Membrane Chemistries?
What About Other Membrane Chemistries?
Membrane
Sample Name
Vapour Permeance of
100 mil Standard
Thickness:
(US Perms)
Water Absorption:
% by Mass Osmotic Flow Rate,
Thickness
Average, g/m2/day
Wet Cup Inverted
Wet Cup
At 20 days At 250 days
AFU-Asphalt
Free Urethane
Resin
0.08
US Perms
0.08 US
Perms 1.6% >4.5% (has not
stopped) ~0.7 (87 mils)
PE – Polyester
Based System
0.26 US
Perms
0.27 US
Perms
1.3% 0.2% 0.4 (55 mils)
PE2
Two component
polyester system
0.31 US
Perms
0.33 US
Perms
1.7% 0.8% 0.5 (54 mils)
PMMA –
Poly Methyl
MethAcrlyate
0.27 US
Perms
0.28 US
Perms
1.7% >4.4% (has not
stopped) ~0.8 (65 mils)
RED = BAD TRAIT, GREEN = DESIRABLE TRAIT, ORANGE - BORDERLINE
What About Asphalt Emulsions?
• 20% absorption by
weight after 210 days and
still rising, 20%
measured swelling
• Osmostic flow rate:
~5.4 g/m2/day
• Inverted wet cup
permeance 0.14 US
perms for 121 mils
Asphalt Emulsion Waterproofing?
Comparison of Results to Date
0
2
4
6
8
10
12
14
16
18
20
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
OSMOTICFLOWRATE-g/m2(ALLSALTSOLUTIONS)
Inverted Wet Cup Vapor Permeance - US Perms
INVERTED WET CUP VAPOR PERMEANCE VS OSMOTIC FLOW RATE - COMPARISON
Aged Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Where Blistering Observed
New Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Unknown Performance
New Polyurea Membranes - Unknown Performance
New Membrane Chemistries - 1 and 2 component - Unknown performance
0.0
0.5
1.0
1.5
2.0
2.5
3.0
3.5
4.0
0 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8 2
OSMOTICFLOWRATE-g/m2(ALLSALTSOLUTIONS)
Inverted Wet Cup Vapor Permeance - US Perms
INVERTED WET CUP VAPOR PERMEANCE VS OSMOTIC FLOW RATE - COMPARISON
Aged Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Where Blistering Observed
New Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Unknown Performance
New Polyurea Membranes - Unknown Performance
New Membrane Chemistries - 1 and 2 component - Unknown performance
Comparison of Results to Date
Targets:
<0.1 US perms,
<0.1 g/m2 Osmotic Rate
Plus minimal absorption
Revised Test Procedure & Targets
 Key Measurements:
 Vapor Permeance – Inverted wet cup testing (<0.1 perms, want this to
be less than the concrete slab)
 Osmotic Flow Rate – measure by apparatus with control salt solution for
3-6 months (<0.1 g/m2/day)
 Water Absorption – soak it until it stops (<1%)
Osmotic Flow
Rate
Concrete
Vapour
Diffusion Rate
√ ? X
< = >
VS.
Recommendations
 Avoid use of cold applied membrane chemistries over concrete in a
protected roof or environment where top of membrane will be wet
(roof, pond, split-slab, planter etc.)
 Be very careful of membranes made for “green concrete” as tend to
be worse (higher vapor permeance)
 Not just a black asphalt modified membrane problem – affects all
types – polyureas, polyurethanes, PMMAs etc.
 In meantime use a good tried and true fully adhered system – use
hot rubber, 2 Ply SBS, built-up asphalt etc.
 Where “hands-tied”, keep water from getting down to liquid
waterproofing (supplemental drainage above insulation)
Some Conversions
 Desired Inverted Wet Cup Vapor permeance to be less than 0.1 US
Perms (<6 ng/Pa s m2)
 Few manufacturers report inverted wet cup, usually just wet cup
(Procedure B) (or worse still dry cup, Procedure A)
 Inverted wet cup values typically 10 to 50% higher than wet cup and can
be many times higher than dry cup values
 Watch reporting units
 1 mil = 1/1000”
 1 mm = 25.4 mils
 Permeability in perm-in : divide by thickness (inches)
 WVT (grains/hr/ft2) not same units or value as vapor permeance
(grains/hr/ft2 inHg)
 Convert to US perms for quick check
Red Flags to Look Out For
2.3 US Perms!
Red Flags to Look Out For
Withdrawn standard
Needs Updating!
Red Flags to Look out For
1.7 US Perms
(DRY CUP)
Red Flags to Look out for
No Permeance
measurements
anywhere
Red Flags to Look out for
Two measurements?
0.72 WVT works out to ~ 1.8 US Perms (Wet cup)
1.56 WVT ~ 4.0 US Perms (Wet cup)
Next Steps
 Determine maximum safe vapor permeance threshold for waterproofing
membranes over concrete
 Refine and develop ASTM osmotic flow test method and determine
acceptable maximum flow rates for different applications.
 Revise Applicable Standards (ASTM C836 and/or withdrawn CAN/CGSB–
37.58-M86) to specify:
 Maximum allowable inverted wet cup permeance (<0.1 perms?)
 Maximum absorption for constant & prolonged immersion (this is not
the typical 24 hr/7day ASTM test)
 Maximum allowable osmotic flow rate (<0.1 g/m2, so less than
concrete can dry through)
 Consideration for aging and submersion within wet concrete
environment (accelerated wet alkaline test?)
Next Steps
 Need a waterproofing industry champion to raise awareness
and push revisions to ASTM standards and bring forth the
osmosis test method
 We gave been looking for a manufacturer with a cold applied
liquid membrane that works! (market advantage)
 Testing and evaluation of all products currently on market
 Hopefully No More Problems!?
A Final Word of Warning
 rdh.com
Discussion + Questions
gfinch@rdh.com – 604-873-1181

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  • 1. Osmosis: The Bane of Liquid Applied Waterproofing Membranes WESTFORD SYMPOSIUM SUMMER CAMP 2014: GRAHAM FINCH, MASC, P.ENG PRINCIPAL, BUILDING SCIENCE RESEARCH SPECIALIST, RDH BUILDING ENGINEERING
  • 2. Outline  The Waterproofing Conundrum  Proving It  Testing It  Measuring It  Findings to Date  What to Look for?  What Next?
  • 3. Inquisitive: definition: eager to learn or learn more, to be curious, desire to solve problems.. …engineers!
  • 5. Vancouver c. 2004 – 5 year roof review Really Heavy Pink Stuff Liquid Waterproofing over Concrete Deck
  • 6. Water Filled Blisters Under Pressure 30-60 mil Liquid Applied Waterproofing Membrane Cut & Water Released from Blister
  • 7. Liquid Water Below Membrane & Reported Intermittent Leaks Lots of water below the membrane
  • 8. Problematic Roof Assemblies Affected  Concrete Pavers, Ballast, or Dirt/Green Roof  Pedestals (optional)  Filter Fabric  XPS Insulation (over heated space)  Drainage Mat (optional)  Liquid membrane  Concrete roof slab Blistering observed over both conditioned (interior) and unconditioned space (parking garages), within planters, green roofs, and water features
  • 9. 2004 - Evaluating the Problem  Systemic failure of 5 year old waterproofing membrane throughout massive 4 tower residential complex  Just one of many buildings affected that we were aware of  Cause of the blistering unknown at the time  Apparent correlation with membrane thickness  Initial monitoring & research started
  • 10. 2004 – Membrane “Blistering Index” >90 mils okay?
  • 11. Vancouver c.2008 The Problem Grows…
  • 13. Gallons of Water Beneath Membranes
  • 15. Membrane Blisters Lifting Pavers & Leaks
  • 16. Membrane Blisters Lifting Pavers & Leaks
  • 19. 2008 – Updated Blister Index 10 12 12 10 11 2004 2008 Nothing below 50%
  • 20. 2008 – State of Affairs  Systemic issue affecting mostly asphalt modified polyurethane membranes in protected membrane roofs over concrete decks  2 similar membranes from 2 major manufacturers  Findings – Water Filled Blisters  Membranes 3 to 15 years old with blisters  Membranes 30-60 mils, some up to 120 mils  Blisters filled with water under pressure  Blisters range from penny size to entire roof deck areas  No obvious detail or discontinuity  Top of membrane almost always wet  Ability to lift pavers, expand/grow over time
  • 21. Theories & Urban Legends
  • 22. Industry Perception Pre 2008  Many hypotheses and strong opinions as to the blistering mechanisms  Little building science understanding or research – lots of speculation  Blame fell to many roofers and the liquid membrane manufacturers  Reports of problems worldwide
  • 23. Theory #1: Pinholes in Thin Membrane ? In but not out
  • 24. Theory #2: Hydrostatic Head from Details ? Self contained fully adhered blisters far away from any details
  • 25. Theory #3: Vapor Diffusion from Inside INDOORS OUTDOORS OUT IN
  • 26. Theory #4: Diffusion & Capillary from Outside INDOORS OUTDOORS OUTSIDE & BLISTER WATER EQUAL
  • 27. Hypothesis: Osmosis  Osmosis developed as a possible hypothesis after debunking all other options  Osmosis is the flow of water across a semi-permeable membrane from the side of low to high salt (solute) concentration  Requires 2 things:  Difference in salt (solute, metal ion) concentration  A membrane permeable to water molecules, but with pore structure too small for dissolved ions to pass
  • 28. What is Osmosis? Osmosis: Water flows through membrane from lower to higher dissolved salt Ion concentration Salty Water Fresh Water Fresh Water Salty Water Membrane Osmotic Pressure Fresh Water Salty Water Applied Pressure Equilibrium: Osmotic pressure is the pressure required to stop water flow and reach equilibrium across membrane Reverse Osmosis: Mechanical pressure greater than the natural osmotic pressure is applied to filter dissolved salt ions out and create fresh water
  • 29. Osmosis in Other Applications  Not well documented by building/roofing industry  Either rare or unreported  Other industries:  Fiberglass boat hulls • Uncured resins create chemical osmotic cell  Epoxy Floor Coatings • Moisture from slabs on grade create blisters beneath certain membranes  Bridge decks • De-icing salts cause blistering of coatings
  • 30. Could it Be Osmosis?  Questions to answer:  Is the blister water salty?  What is the osmotic pressure difference between rainwater and blister water?  Is the waterproofing membrane semi-permeable?  Industry resources available  Reverse Osmosis filter industry – formulas/calculators for reverse osmosis system pressures based on dissolved salt concentrations  Visual/ microscope & vapor permeance testing (ASTM E96) for relative permeability of membrane
  • 32. Is the Blister Water Salty?  Blister water extracted from several roofs & sent to 3rd party water lab  Blister water found to contains high concentrations of dissolved metals:  Sodium: naturally occurring within cement and aggregates  Potassium: potash used within concrete additive  Silicon: naturally occurring within cement and aggregates  Rainwater from ponding water - no relevant concentration of minerals
  • 33. What is the Osmotic Pressure Potential?  Blister water contains: Sodium, Potassium, Silicon and traces of other dissolved minerals including Boron, Magnesium, Tin and other stuff!  Calculated osmotic suction pressures for different blister water samples found to range from 300 to 400 kPa (43 to 58 psi)!  Reinforces finding that water extracted from membrane blister tended to be under some positive pressure  As blisters form and grow, the membrane delaminates – so full pressures are never realized  For reference – brackish water = 25 kPa (3.6 psi), seawater 2500 kPa (363 psi)
  • 35. Is the Membrane Permeable? Membrane #1 – Aged 30 mil moisture cure chemistry, removed from roof
  • 36. Is the Membrane Permeable? Membrane #2 – Aged 60 mil moisture cure chemistry, removed from roof
  • 37. Is the Membrane Permeable?  Many manufacturers were in 2008 and still are today reporting ASTM E96 vapor permeance ‘dry-cup’ values  Tested both aged (removed from site) and new (laboratory made) membrane samples for each  Tested: dry, wet, and inverted wet cup Lab, 50% RH 0% RH, Desiccant DRY CUP – Average RH = 25% Lab, 50% RH 100% RH, water WET CUP – Average RH = 75% Lab, 50% RH 100% RH, water Inverted WET CUP – Average RH = 75% + H20
  • 38. Are These Membranes Permeable? 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 D RY CUP WET CUP I N VERT ED WET CUP VAPORPERMEANCE-USPERMS VAPOR PERM EANCE OF LIQUID M EM BRANES Aged Membrane 1 - 30 mils Aged Membrane 2 - 60 mils New Membrane 3 - 120 mils SBS/ Hot Rubber
  • 39. Impact of High Vapor Permeance  How does the concrete get wet or water initially get below the membrane to create the osmotic cell? 1. Fresh cast concrete is initially saturated or rained on 2. Condensation & liquid water within bug holes and unfilled surface voids below membrane 3. Vapor diffusion from topside of membrane – until water & equilibrium on both sides 1 2 3
  • 40. 60 80 100 120 140 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 MOISTUREINTOPSURFACEOFCONCRETE(KG/M3) WUFI SIMULATED MOISTURE CONTENT OF TOP 1/ 2" OF CONCRETE SLAB - COMPARISON BY MEMBRANE TYPE Impermeable hot rubber waterproofing Semi-permeable asphalt modified polyurethane waterproofing Impact of High Vapour Permeance drying trend wetting trend
  • 41. How to Measure Osmotic Flow Rate?  Dissolved salt/metal ion concentration difference across membrane?  Membrane permeable to water?  Mechanism of initial wetting?  Measure osmotic flow rate directly Osmosis: Water flows through membrane from lower to higher dissolved salt Ion concentration Salty Water Fresh Water Membrane √ √ √ ? Measure movement of water across waterproofing membrane with salt water from site
  • 47. Chamber Concepts: Version 3.0 Sometimes simpler is better…
  • 48. Osmotic Flow Laboratory Apparatus Salty Water Fresh Water Membrane Increase in Volume = Flow through Membrane Salty Water Fresh Water Membrane Initial Setup, Pressure within Container is equal to atmospheric. Patm Patm Pc = Patm Pc>P atm Osmosis occurs until Pressure within container reaches the Osmotic Pressure Osmotic Flow 250 mL Glass container with open screw-top lid Brass coated or plastic screw-top lid Waterproofing Membrane Membrane bedded in waterproof epoxy, epoxy fills voids in screw top lid and prevents unscrewing Salty Water
  • 49. Proof of Concept Testing Measured volume/mass rates up to 15 L/m2/day per manufacturers specs Commercial reverse osmosis filter
  • 50. At Last… Some Results
  • 51. Measured Osmotic Flow – Control Samples 0 500 1000 1500 2000 2500 3000 0 50 100 150 200 250 300 OSMOTICFLOWTHROUGHMEMBRANE-g/m2 DAYS FROM START OF TEST OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANE - INFLUENCE OF OSMOTIC PRESSURE POTENTIAL Membrane #1 - 0 M NaCl, water control sample Membrane #1 - 0.1 M NaCl - 460 kPa Membrane #1 - 1.0 M NaCl - 55,000 kPa Control sample with no osmotic difference - moisture uptake due to absorption into membrane only 9.7 g/ m2/ day 5.9 g/ m2/ day ~0 g/ m2/ day
  • 52. Measured Osmotic Flow – Blister Water 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 1800 2000 0 25 50 75 100 125 150 OSMOTICFLOWTHROUGHMEMBRANE-g/m2 DAYS FROM START OF TEST OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANE - INFLUENCE OF OSMOTIC PRESSURE POTENTIAL Membrane #1 - 0 M NaCl, water control sample Membrane #1 - 0.1 M NaCl - 460 kPa Membrane #1 - 1.0 M NaCl - 55,000 kPa Membrane #1 - Blister Water - 326 kPa
  • 53. Aged Membrane Testing 0 500 1000 1500 2000 0 25 50 75 100 125 150 OSMOTICFLOWRATE-g/m2 DAYS FROM START OF TEST AVERAGE OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH MEMBRANES #1 & #2 Membrane #1 - 30 mil Aged Membrane #2 - 60 mil Aged
  • 54. 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 1400 1600 0 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 200 OsmoticFlowRate-g/m2 # days from start of test OSMOTIC FLOW THROUGH VARIOUS ASPHALT MODIFIED POLYURETHANE WATERPROOFING MEMBRANES Membrane #1 - 30 mil - blistered Membrane #1 - 30 mil - blistered Membrane #2 - 60 mil - blistered Membrane #3 - 70 mil - blistered Membrane #5 - 120 mil - unknown performance Membrane #7 - 60 mil - unknown performance Membrane #9 - 100 mil - unknown performance Membrane #10 - 100 mil - unknown performance New vs Aged Membrane Testing Aged - Blistered New – Unknown Performance Same membrane manuf. & chemistry
  • 55. Impacts of Primers? 0 50 100 150 200 250 300 350 400 0 20 40 60 80 100 120 140 160 180 200 220 240 260 OsmoticFlowthroughmembrane-g/m2 Days from Start of Test EFFECT OF MEMBRANE PRIMER TYPE - POLYURETHANE VS EPOXY Epoxy Primer on membrane - 0.5 Perms Polyurethane Primer on membrane - 0.9 Perms
  • 56. Findings – Original Membranes  Asphalt modified polyurethane membranes have serious shortcomings as waterproofing  Vapor permeance typically >5 US Perms after aging, even if initially <1 US perms  Osmotic Flow Rates of 5-12 g/m2/day, (up to 20+ g/m2/day with some 10-15 year old membranes)  Aged values much worse than initial • Impacts of alkaline environment and constant wetting?  Some primers effective at reducing flow rate, but difficult to apply to sufficient thickness in field  Conclusion – if we could reduce osmotic flow rate to less than the vapor diffusion rate through concrete slab then could we be okay?
  • 57. Summary: Osmotic Blistering Process  Top surface of the membrane wet all year (insulation/dirt/water feature)  Moisture moves though the membrane via vapor diffusion  Concrete less permeable than the membrane = moisture accumulation  Moisture dissolves minerals from concrete  Osmosis forms small blisters at localized voids or de-bonded areas of membrane  Osmotic pressure grows and continues expanding blisters over time Water on top of membrane almost year round in inverted ro assembly (poor slope = more water) Concrete is initially at or close to saturation. Vapour diffus moves additional moisture though membrane to concrete interface. Concrete is less permeable than membrane and water begin saturate the concrete and accumulate at the membrane interface. Mineral ions dissolve out of concrete increasing the salt concentration of the water beneath the membrane. Osmosi begins and small blisters are formed. Vapour diffusion to interior through concrete is relatively slow compared to the rate transported by Osmosis. Blisters grow and expand due to osmotic flow.
  • 58. Worldwide Findings  RDH observations  Pacific Northwest to California  Reported Osmotic Blistering issues by others through discussions and by our project involvement  Florida & Southern US  Hawaii  New Zealand  Europe & Asia  Appears more prevalent in temperate, humid climates – where water is able to sit on membrane year-round  Or in ponds, planters and other wet places
  • 59. Added to Hartwig Kuenzel’s Roofing Book
  • 60. Lots of Repairs Made… With Other MaterialsMany Blistered Membrane Renewals Projects
  • 61. A Little Caution About Roofers & Tie-ins…
  • 62. New and Ongoing Research  Between 2008 and 2014 we have worked with numerous liquid applied membrane manufacturers to address osmosis  Measure osmotic flow rate, vapor permeance, absorption  Assess impacts of thickness, reinforcing, primers, fillers, cure method, different chemistries, etc.  Looked at alternate membrane chemistries & membrane types • 2 component & single component chemistries • Polyurethanes (asphalt and non-asphalt modified) • Polyureas • Polyesters • PMMAs • Asphalt Emulsions  Continued testing of original two membrane offenders & other membranes applied in past decade (litigation and R&D)
  • 63. Laboratory Apparatus Revisions Improved lid with powder-coated corrosion proof finish & improved epoxy seal to keep water out of gap & consistent measurement
  • 64. What About Polyureas What About Polyureas?
  • 65. 0 250 500 750 1000 1250 1500 0 20 40 60 80 100 120 OSMOTICFLOWTHROUGHMEMBRANE,g/m² Days from Start of Test VARIOUS POLYUREA MEMBRANES (7 TYPES) AVERAGED OSMOTIC FLOW RATES What About Polyureas? Aged asphalt modified urethane control sample 7 new different polyurea chemistries
  • 66. What About Polyureas Membrane Sample Name Membrane Thickness: Average, mils Range, mils Osmotic Flow Rate Average, g/m2/day Range, g/m2/day Water Absorption - % & Time to Reach Equilibrium Inverted Vapour Permeance as Measured: US Perms Grey 83 2.9 1.5%, <7 days 1.4 US Perms Brown 78 2.0 2.0%, <7 days 2.2 US Perms Beige 83 2.3 1.6%, <7 days 1.2 US Perms Grey 2 135 2.9 0.6%, <7 days 1.9 US Perms Grey 3 34 5.3 1.3%, <7 days 3.5 US Perms Orange 106 2.3 1.2%, <7 days 1.2 US Perms Green 74 2.9 1.6%, <7 days 2.1 US Perms RED = BAD TRAIT, GREEN = DESIRABLE TRAIT
  • 67. What About Other Chemistries? What About Other Membrane Chemistries?
  • 68. What About Other Membrane Chemistries? Membrane Sample Name Vapour Permeance of 100 mil Standard Thickness: (US Perms) Water Absorption: % by Mass Osmotic Flow Rate, Thickness Average, g/m2/day Wet Cup Inverted Wet Cup At 20 days At 250 days AFU-Asphalt Free Urethane Resin 0.08 US Perms 0.08 US Perms 1.6% >4.5% (has not stopped) ~0.7 (87 mils) PE – Polyester Based System 0.26 US Perms 0.27 US Perms 1.3% 0.2% 0.4 (55 mils) PE2 Two component polyester system 0.31 US Perms 0.33 US Perms 1.7% 0.8% 0.5 (54 mils) PMMA – Poly Methyl MethAcrlyate 0.27 US Perms 0.28 US Perms 1.7% >4.4% (has not stopped) ~0.8 (65 mils) RED = BAD TRAIT, GREEN = DESIRABLE TRAIT, ORANGE - BORDERLINE
  • 69. What About Asphalt Emulsions? • 20% absorption by weight after 210 days and still rising, 20% measured swelling • Osmostic flow rate: ~5.4 g/m2/day • Inverted wet cup permeance 0.14 US perms for 121 mils
  • 71. Comparison of Results to Date 0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 OSMOTICFLOWRATE-g/m2(ALLSALTSOLUTIONS) Inverted Wet Cup Vapor Permeance - US Perms INVERTED WET CUP VAPOR PERMEANCE VS OSMOTIC FLOW RATE - COMPARISON Aged Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Where Blistering Observed New Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Unknown Performance New Polyurea Membranes - Unknown Performance New Membrane Chemistries - 1 and 2 component - Unknown performance
  • 72. 0.0 0.5 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.0 0 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8 2 OSMOTICFLOWRATE-g/m2(ALLSALTSOLUTIONS) Inverted Wet Cup Vapor Permeance - US Perms INVERTED WET CUP VAPOR PERMEANCE VS OSMOTIC FLOW RATE - COMPARISON Aged Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Where Blistering Observed New Asphalt Modified Polyurethane Membranes - Unknown Performance New Polyurea Membranes - Unknown Performance New Membrane Chemistries - 1 and 2 component - Unknown performance Comparison of Results to Date Targets: <0.1 US perms, <0.1 g/m2 Osmotic Rate Plus minimal absorption
  • 73. Revised Test Procedure & Targets  Key Measurements:  Vapor Permeance – Inverted wet cup testing (<0.1 perms, want this to be less than the concrete slab)  Osmotic Flow Rate – measure by apparatus with control salt solution for 3-6 months (<0.1 g/m2/day)  Water Absorption – soak it until it stops (<1%) Osmotic Flow Rate Concrete Vapour Diffusion Rate √ ? X < = > VS.
  • 74. Recommendations  Avoid use of cold applied membrane chemistries over concrete in a protected roof or environment where top of membrane will be wet (roof, pond, split-slab, planter etc.)  Be very careful of membranes made for “green concrete” as tend to be worse (higher vapor permeance)  Not just a black asphalt modified membrane problem – affects all types – polyureas, polyurethanes, PMMAs etc.  In meantime use a good tried and true fully adhered system – use hot rubber, 2 Ply SBS, built-up asphalt etc.  Where “hands-tied”, keep water from getting down to liquid waterproofing (supplemental drainage above insulation)
  • 75. Some Conversions  Desired Inverted Wet Cup Vapor permeance to be less than 0.1 US Perms (<6 ng/Pa s m2)  Few manufacturers report inverted wet cup, usually just wet cup (Procedure B) (or worse still dry cup, Procedure A)  Inverted wet cup values typically 10 to 50% higher than wet cup and can be many times higher than dry cup values  Watch reporting units  1 mil = 1/1000”  1 mm = 25.4 mils  Permeability in perm-in : divide by thickness (inches)  WVT (grains/hr/ft2) not same units or value as vapor permeance (grains/hr/ft2 inHg)  Convert to US perms for quick check
  • 76. Red Flags to Look Out For 2.3 US Perms!
  • 77. Red Flags to Look Out For Withdrawn standard Needs Updating!
  • 78. Red Flags to Look out For 1.7 US Perms (DRY CUP)
  • 79. Red Flags to Look out for No Permeance measurements anywhere
  • 80. Red Flags to Look out for Two measurements? 0.72 WVT works out to ~ 1.8 US Perms (Wet cup) 1.56 WVT ~ 4.0 US Perms (Wet cup)
  • 81. Next Steps  Determine maximum safe vapor permeance threshold for waterproofing membranes over concrete  Refine and develop ASTM osmotic flow test method and determine acceptable maximum flow rates for different applications.  Revise Applicable Standards (ASTM C836 and/or withdrawn CAN/CGSB– 37.58-M86) to specify:  Maximum allowable inverted wet cup permeance (<0.1 perms?)  Maximum absorption for constant & prolonged immersion (this is not the typical 24 hr/7day ASTM test)  Maximum allowable osmotic flow rate (<0.1 g/m2, so less than concrete can dry through)  Consideration for aging and submersion within wet concrete environment (accelerated wet alkaline test?)
  • 82. Next Steps  Need a waterproofing industry champion to raise awareness and push revisions to ASTM standards and bring forth the osmosis test method  We gave been looking for a manufacturer with a cold applied liquid membrane that works! (market advantage)  Testing and evaluation of all products currently on market  Hopefully No More Problems!?
  • 83. A Final Word of Warning
  • 84.  rdh.com Discussion + Questions gfinch@rdh.com – 604-873-1181

Editor's Notes

  1. First work term at RDH in Vancouver as an engineering co-op student pre-straube’s building science class. As youngest guy on the totem pole, was tasked with assisting with a 5 year warranty review of some roof decks.