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How to
say…..
Craig Hore
Intensive Care Unit
Liverpool Hospital
The ICU in 2023?
Bring out
your
dead!

Remember our philosophy:

1. If you want everything done, we’re always open!
2. ECMO is always the answer, no matter the question
“Refusal”???
 Appropriateness?
- appropriate referrals
- appropriate admissions
- appropriate management in wards and ICU
- appropriate communications

A better prospect for 2023!
ICU triage
 When evaluating a patient with a severe

acute illness for ICU admission determine:

(i) the diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment;
(ii) patient characteristics and co-morbidities;
(iii)whether the patient, if competent, (or

surrogate) consents to ICU admission;

(iv)and if they do, whether or not ICU admission

is warranted.
ICU triage
 The number of beds

available in ICU!
Do some patients
deserve an automatic

?
What ICU referrals commonly
make you go hmmmm…
 Which ones make you instinctively think “NO”?

ICU consultant considers another referral….
Patients with cancer in the
ICU
 “These patients never do well….”
 “The ‘cures’ are worse than the disease..”

VS
 21st Century!!!
 Advances in management in ICU as well as

oncology and haematology
Patients with cancer in the
ICU
 So what exactly are the outcomes?
Cancer and mechanical
ventilation – the past
Authors

Journal

Patients

Malignancy ICU

(N)

Hospital

Mortality

Mortality

Snow

JAMA 1979

180

Solid tumors

74

87

Ewer

JAMA 1986

46

Lung cancer

85

87

Peters

Chest 1988

119

Hematologic

/

82

Dees

NJM 1990

49

Both

67

76

Lee

JAMA 1995

115

Both

77

97

Tremblay

CIM 1995

32

AML

99

99

Epner

J I M 1996

157

Hematologic

/

83
Cancer patients needing ICU
in 2013
 Improved survival rates reported in cancer

patients requiring mechanical ventilation, CRRT
and vasopressors

 But limitations – heterogeneity; single centres;

retrospective; short-term outcomes (rarely 3 or 6
month survival)
Cancer patients needing ICU
in 2013
 Some sub-groups continue to have a high and

unchanged mortality:

- bedridden patients
- allogeneic BMT recipients with severe GVHD not

responsive to chemotherapy

- multiple organ failure (“delayed ICU admission”?)
- specific vignettes (eg pulmonary carcinomatosis

lymphangitis; carcinomatous meningitis with coma)

- not on “life-span expanding therapy”
(Azoulay et al Annals Intensive Care 2011)
Cancer patients in the ICU
“Only cancer patients with a chance of being
cured, who agree to undergo supportive
therapy, and those with best chances of
benefiting from intensive care should be
admitted by priority”.
Sculier Curr Opin Oncol 1991;3:656-662

As true now as in 1991!
Cancer patients in ICU –
admit or not?
 “Full active management” newly diagnosed

malignancies and malignancies in “complete
remission”
 3 day ICU trial as an alternative to ICU refusal in

other cancer patients?
 The nature and extent of organ dysfunctions at ICU

admission, and especially after day 3, are good
predictors of mortality
 Those in sub-groups mentioned earlier – comfort

cares
(Azoulay et al Annals Intensive Care 2011)
Elderly patients in the ICU
 “ICU care provided to younger patients is more

effective and more likely to be successful….they’re
more resilient and able to recover”

 “If ICU care is successful and the patient recovers, a

young person gains more years of life to live….whole life
ahead of them rather than behind them”

 “Where I worked before we would never admit anyone

over (insert random number here) years of age…”
Elderly patients in the ICU
 “But he’s a good 81 year old……”
The oldest man to
climb Mt Everest is
Yuichiro Miura (Japan,
b. 12 October 1932),
who reached the
summit on 23 May
2013 at the age of 80
years 223 days. This
is the third time that he
has held this record:
he previously reached
the highest point on
Earth as the world's
oldest summiteer in
2003 and again at
2008.
Elderly patients in the ICU
 ANZICS CORE (2000 – 2005): 15,640 patients aged ≥ 80yrs

(13.0%)
Bagshaw, Webb et al. Crit Care, 2009.

 Age ≥ 80 years:
- higher ICU and hospital death compared with younger

cohorts
- more likely to be discharged to rehabilitation / long-term

care
 Factors associated with lower survival included: admission

from a chronic care facility, co-morbid illness, nonsurgical
admission, greater illness severity, mechanical ventilation,
and longer stay in the ICU.
Elderly patients in the ICU
 Netherlands
 129 people 80+ years old vs 620 people <80 years
 Admitted to ICU for >48 hours
 Elderly patients: mean age 83; median APACHE II of

18; median ventilator days 3
 Primary outcome was health-related quality of life

HRQOL before and after ICU admission.

Hofhuis, Spronk et al: CHEST 2008
Elderly patients in the ICU
 Main conclusion: HRQOL recovered to pre-ICU

baseline by 6 months, and in fact were close to
age-matched controls.

 “Denying admission to the ICU should not just rely

on old age.”

 VERY TRUE!
 But…….
- 49 of 129 octogenarians survived to be analysed at

6 months (62% mortality rate)

- the younger (~67 year old) cohort did better at six

months, although still poorly (43% mortality rate)
Elderly patients in the ICU
 Elderly cohort relatively healthy pre-ICU - likely bias

toward admitting healthier elderly patients to the
ICU

 Isn’t this the real point?
Elderly patients in the ICU
 “Age…represents an additive factor when

coupled with frailty, physiologic reserve,
burden of co-morbid illness, primary diagnosis,
and illness severity……”

 “……important bearing not only on short- term

survival but also on long-term survival,
neurocognitive performance, functional
autonomy, and quality of life.”

Bagshaw, Webb et al. Crit Care, 2009.
Similar conclusions
 Patients with cancer are a heterogeneous group
 The elderly are a heterogenous group
 Similar conclusions for any patient group!
 Appropriate patient selection not routine denial!
ICU triage
 When evaluating a patient with a severe

acute illness for ICU admission determine:

(i) the diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment;
(ii) whether the patient, if competent, (or
surrogate) consents to ICU admission;
(iii) and if they do, whether or not ICU admission
is warranted.
Some common reasons
raised to stop you
saying
“….but this is REVERSIBLE!”
 Reversible ≠ must treat
 Context!
“….but the family want
EVERYTHING done!”
 Was the right question asked?
“… but this is IATROGENIC…”

 Iatrogenic ≠ must treat
 Context!
A reminder on medical futility
 Medical Board of Australia 2012:

- “you do not have a duty of care to prolong life at

all cost. However, you have a duty to know when
not to inititiate and when to cease attempts at
prolonging life.”
- as Intensivists, this is part of our specialist expertise –

embrace it!
So the time has
come……how do I say
General principles
 Knowledge!
 Consider risks and benefits of different modalities of

treatment
 Consider risks and benefits of ICU admission
 Involve the patient (where able)!
 Involve the surrogate decision-maker
 Involve the family
 Involve the admitting team
Suggestions if conflict
 Clarify goals of treatment – cure; prolong survival;

symptom relief
- consider interests of patient first (but don’t ignore

interests of the family)
- consider biases that may be influencing your
decision (fear of litigation; fear of conflict; bullying;
lack of knowledge)
- seek expert advice (senior colleague or other
expert) when needed

Adapted from Koczwara: MJA, 2013
Suggestions if conflict
 Communicate with patient and significant others

and clarify any areas of disagreement
 Use clear, consistent communication. Consultant

level.
 Involve a third party if necessary
 Support the patient, his or her family and the staff
 Offer alternatives (“not for ICU but this is what we

can do…”)
Adapted from Koczwara: MJA, 2013
Suggestions if conflict
The ICU in 2023?

Remember our philosophy:
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Craig Hore on How to Say No: Refusing ICU Admissions

  • 1. How to say….. Craig Hore Intensive Care Unit Liverpool Hospital
  • 2. The ICU in 2023? Bring out your dead! Remember our philosophy: 1. If you want everything done, we’re always open! 2. ECMO is always the answer, no matter the question
  • 3. “Refusal”???  Appropriateness? - appropriate referrals - appropriate admissions - appropriate management in wards and ICU - appropriate communications A better prospect for 2023!
  • 4. ICU triage  When evaluating a patient with a severe acute illness for ICU admission determine: (i) the diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment; (ii) patient characteristics and co-morbidities; (iii)whether the patient, if competent, (or surrogate) consents to ICU admission; (iv)and if they do, whether or not ICU admission is warranted.
  • 5. ICU triage  The number of beds available in ICU!
  • 6. Do some patients deserve an automatic ?
  • 7. What ICU referrals commonly make you go hmmmm…  Which ones make you instinctively think “NO”? ICU consultant considers another referral….
  • 8.
  • 9. Patients with cancer in the ICU  “These patients never do well….”  “The ‘cures’ are worse than the disease..” VS  21st Century!!!  Advances in management in ICU as well as oncology and haematology
  • 10. Patients with cancer in the ICU  So what exactly are the outcomes?
  • 11. Cancer and mechanical ventilation – the past Authors Journal Patients Malignancy ICU (N) Hospital Mortality Mortality Snow JAMA 1979 180 Solid tumors 74 87 Ewer JAMA 1986 46 Lung cancer 85 87 Peters Chest 1988 119 Hematologic / 82 Dees NJM 1990 49 Both 67 76 Lee JAMA 1995 115 Both 77 97 Tremblay CIM 1995 32 AML 99 99 Epner J I M 1996 157 Hematologic / 83
  • 12. Cancer patients needing ICU in 2013  Improved survival rates reported in cancer patients requiring mechanical ventilation, CRRT and vasopressors  But limitations – heterogeneity; single centres; retrospective; short-term outcomes (rarely 3 or 6 month survival)
  • 13. Cancer patients needing ICU in 2013  Some sub-groups continue to have a high and unchanged mortality: - bedridden patients - allogeneic BMT recipients with severe GVHD not responsive to chemotherapy - multiple organ failure (“delayed ICU admission”?) - specific vignettes (eg pulmonary carcinomatosis lymphangitis; carcinomatous meningitis with coma) - not on “life-span expanding therapy” (Azoulay et al Annals Intensive Care 2011)
  • 14. Cancer patients in the ICU “Only cancer patients with a chance of being cured, who agree to undergo supportive therapy, and those with best chances of benefiting from intensive care should be admitted by priority”. Sculier Curr Opin Oncol 1991;3:656-662 As true now as in 1991!
  • 15. Cancer patients in ICU – admit or not?  “Full active management” newly diagnosed malignancies and malignancies in “complete remission”  3 day ICU trial as an alternative to ICU refusal in other cancer patients?  The nature and extent of organ dysfunctions at ICU admission, and especially after day 3, are good predictors of mortality  Those in sub-groups mentioned earlier – comfort cares (Azoulay et al Annals Intensive Care 2011)
  • 16.
  • 17. Elderly patients in the ICU  “ICU care provided to younger patients is more effective and more likely to be successful….they’re more resilient and able to recover”  “If ICU care is successful and the patient recovers, a young person gains more years of life to live….whole life ahead of them rather than behind them”  “Where I worked before we would never admit anyone over (insert random number here) years of age…”
  • 18. Elderly patients in the ICU  “But he’s a good 81 year old……” The oldest man to climb Mt Everest is Yuichiro Miura (Japan, b. 12 October 1932), who reached the summit on 23 May 2013 at the age of 80 years 223 days. This is the third time that he has held this record: he previously reached the highest point on Earth as the world's oldest summiteer in 2003 and again at 2008.
  • 19. Elderly patients in the ICU  ANZICS CORE (2000 – 2005): 15,640 patients aged ≥ 80yrs (13.0%) Bagshaw, Webb et al. Crit Care, 2009.  Age ≥ 80 years: - higher ICU and hospital death compared with younger cohorts - more likely to be discharged to rehabilitation / long-term care  Factors associated with lower survival included: admission from a chronic care facility, co-morbid illness, nonsurgical admission, greater illness severity, mechanical ventilation, and longer stay in the ICU.
  • 20. Elderly patients in the ICU  Netherlands  129 people 80+ years old vs 620 people <80 years  Admitted to ICU for >48 hours  Elderly patients: mean age 83; median APACHE II of 18; median ventilator days 3  Primary outcome was health-related quality of life HRQOL before and after ICU admission. Hofhuis, Spronk et al: CHEST 2008
  • 21. Elderly patients in the ICU  Main conclusion: HRQOL recovered to pre-ICU baseline by 6 months, and in fact were close to age-matched controls.  “Denying admission to the ICU should not just rely on old age.”  VERY TRUE!  But……. - 49 of 129 octogenarians survived to be analysed at 6 months (62% mortality rate) - the younger (~67 year old) cohort did better at six months, although still poorly (43% mortality rate)
  • 22. Elderly patients in the ICU  Elderly cohort relatively healthy pre-ICU - likely bias toward admitting healthier elderly patients to the ICU  Isn’t this the real point?
  • 23. Elderly patients in the ICU  “Age…represents an additive factor when coupled with frailty, physiologic reserve, burden of co-morbid illness, primary diagnosis, and illness severity……”  “……important bearing not only on short- term survival but also on long-term survival, neurocognitive performance, functional autonomy, and quality of life.” Bagshaw, Webb et al. Crit Care, 2009.
  • 24. Similar conclusions  Patients with cancer are a heterogeneous group  The elderly are a heterogenous group  Similar conclusions for any patient group!  Appropriate patient selection not routine denial!
  • 25. ICU triage  When evaluating a patient with a severe acute illness for ICU admission determine: (i) the diagnosis, prognosis, and treatment; (ii) whether the patient, if competent, (or surrogate) consents to ICU admission; (iii) and if they do, whether or not ICU admission is warranted.
  • 26. Some common reasons raised to stop you saying
  • 27.
  • 28. “….but this is REVERSIBLE!”  Reversible ≠ must treat  Context!
  • 29. “….but the family want EVERYTHING done!”  Was the right question asked?
  • 30. “… but this is IATROGENIC…”  Iatrogenic ≠ must treat  Context!
  • 31. A reminder on medical futility  Medical Board of Australia 2012: - “you do not have a duty of care to prolong life at all cost. However, you have a duty to know when not to inititiate and when to cease attempts at prolonging life.” - as Intensivists, this is part of our specialist expertise – embrace it!
  • 32. So the time has come……how do I say
  • 33.
  • 34. General principles  Knowledge!  Consider risks and benefits of different modalities of treatment  Consider risks and benefits of ICU admission  Involve the patient (where able)!  Involve the surrogate decision-maker  Involve the family  Involve the admitting team
  • 35. Suggestions if conflict  Clarify goals of treatment – cure; prolong survival; symptom relief - consider interests of patient first (but don’t ignore interests of the family) - consider biases that may be influencing your decision (fear of litigation; fear of conflict; bullying; lack of knowledge) - seek expert advice (senior colleague or other expert) when needed Adapted from Koczwara: MJA, 2013
  • 36. Suggestions if conflict  Communicate with patient and significant others and clarify any areas of disagreement  Use clear, consistent communication. Consultant level.  Involve a third party if necessary  Support the patient, his or her family and the staff  Offer alternatives (“not for ICU but this is what we can do…”) Adapted from Koczwara: MJA, 2013
  • 38. The ICU in 2023? Remember our philosophy: