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Redefining RELATION
Putcha V. Narasimham
kenablersys@yahoo.com
What is a relation?
• Well known but difficult to define
• One ends up using association or connection
• They are just equivalent to relation
• But NOT definitions!
• Let’s look up online dictionary
• http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relation?s=t
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Relation
What is it?
re·la·tion
• noun
• 1. an existing connection; a significant association
between or among things
• 2. connections in which persons or things are brought
together
• Well these are NOT precise and rigorous enough
• But one can get an idea of what a relation is
• Let’s see Math definition
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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How is rain
related to clouds?
Relation—Math definition
A relation is any subset
of a Cartesian product
 Consider two sets A & B
 Then, relation is a subset
of CP of A&B
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Relation:
Subset of CP
of A & B
Set A
Men
Set B
Women
Cartesian Product Definition
• Cartesian Product of two sets A & B
• Is a set of all ordered pairs <a,b>,
• Where
• ‘a’ is an element of A &
• ‘b’ is an element of B
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Set A
Men
Set B
Women
Cartesian Product Explanation
• Every member of A
• is paired with
• every member of B
• To generate CP
• CP is the full set of all
possible pxq ordered
pairs
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Set A
Men
Set B
Women
M1
Mp
W1
W2
Wq
Relation: A subset of Cartesian Product
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Relation
Set A
Men
Set B
Women
M1, M2, M3, M4,
M5, M6, M7 … M20
W1, W2, W3, W4,
W5, W6, W7… W30
Subset
M2, W4
M4, W7
M5, W10
M9, W1
M13, W27
Ordered Pairs OK, but is it a relation?
1. We only see WHO are related
2. But don’t know
 WHAT the relation is?
 WHAT brings them into a relation?
 And, HOW are they related?
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Subset
M2, W4
M4, W7
M5, W10
M9, W1
M13, W27
Is it a relation at all?
• It is just a set of ordered pairs
• WHAT is the basis to form pair?
• If any set is a relation, how is one
relation different from another, except
for the exact pairs?
• Is it not possible that the same pairs
are also related differently?
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
9
Subset
M2, W4
M4, W7
M5, W10
M9, W1
M13, W27
Ordered Pairs & Relations
• Related Ordered Pairs
• Father and daughter,
• Brother and sister
• Husband and wife
• Mixed pairs for games
• Pairing alone is not relation
• Basis for pairing is relation
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
10
Relation is
the basis for
pairing
NOT just
pairs
Arbitrary pairs remain unrelated
• One can form them but
what purpose do they
serve?
• What meaning or
significance do they
have?
• In businesses, societies and nature
there are always principles and
criteria guiding the formation of
classes (categories) and relations
• They are important
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
11
Classes and Relations need basis
• This is the
motivation for
this proposal
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
12
 Classes and relations need a set
of principles and criteria for the
their formation as in OOAD, UML
 They have identities and
properties for use and application
Relation is as fundamental as set
 Is a member of is a relation
between an object and the set to
which it belongs
 The concept of relation and set
perhaps emerge interdependently
and simultaneously
This may have been
sorted out in some
fundamental theories
of mathematics and or
philosophy
13
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
Relation Redefined for clarity and use
• The mathematical definition of relation
appears unmathematical and leaves many
questions unanswered
• It is enumerative & unusable
• Runs into anomalies and paradoxes
• So, here is a proposed definition of relation
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Proposed Definition of relation
A relation between two sets A and
B is a named set of principles and
criteria, according to which
ordered pairs can be formed from
A and B.
 Criteria for forming
ordered pairs are
more important
than the pairs
 This resolves many
questions
 See PDF--Relation:
Need for Radical
Redefinition
15
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
How does this definition help?
• Now, we know what a relation is and how to
use it without forming ordered pairs first
• We know how relation applies for the FUTURE
members of sets involved
• We can use it to define, create, VERIFY and
apply relations correctly and infer from them
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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Let’s THINK and Discuss
• A definition should be clear, consistent
and self-sufficient for application and
use.
• I believe the proposed definition is
• I welcome reviews, examples,
counter examples and feedback
22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
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START
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Relation--Need for Radical Redefinition PPT

  • 1. Redefining RELATION Putcha V. Narasimham kenablersys@yahoo.com
  • 2. What is a relation? • Well known but difficult to define • One ends up using association or connection • They are just equivalent to relation • But NOT definitions! • Let’s look up online dictionary • http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relation?s=t 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 2 Relation What is it?
  • 3. re·la·tion • noun • 1. an existing connection; a significant association between or among things • 2. connections in which persons or things are brought together • Well these are NOT precise and rigorous enough • But one can get an idea of what a relation is • Let’s see Math definition 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 3 How is rain related to clouds?
  • 4. Relation—Math definition A relation is any subset of a Cartesian product  Consider two sets A & B  Then, relation is a subset of CP of A&B 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 4 Relation: Subset of CP of A & B Set A Men Set B Women
  • 5. Cartesian Product Definition • Cartesian Product of two sets A & B • Is a set of all ordered pairs <a,b>, • Where • ‘a’ is an element of A & • ‘b’ is an element of B 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 5 Set A Men Set B Women
  • 6. Cartesian Product Explanation • Every member of A • is paired with • every member of B • To generate CP • CP is the full set of all possible pxq ordered pairs 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 6 Set A Men Set B Women M1 Mp W1 W2 Wq
  • 7. Relation: A subset of Cartesian Product 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 7 Relation Set A Men Set B Women M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M7 … M20 W1, W2, W3, W4, W5, W6, W7… W30 Subset M2, W4 M4, W7 M5, W10 M9, W1 M13, W27
  • 8. Ordered Pairs OK, but is it a relation? 1. We only see WHO are related 2. But don’t know  WHAT the relation is?  WHAT brings them into a relation?  And, HOW are they related? 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 8 Subset M2, W4 M4, W7 M5, W10 M9, W1 M13, W27
  • 9. Is it a relation at all? • It is just a set of ordered pairs • WHAT is the basis to form pair? • If any set is a relation, how is one relation different from another, except for the exact pairs? • Is it not possible that the same pairs are also related differently? 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 9 Subset M2, W4 M4, W7 M5, W10 M9, W1 M13, W27
  • 10. Ordered Pairs & Relations • Related Ordered Pairs • Father and daughter, • Brother and sister • Husband and wife • Mixed pairs for games • Pairing alone is not relation • Basis for pairing is relation 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 10 Relation is the basis for pairing NOT just pairs
  • 11. Arbitrary pairs remain unrelated • One can form them but what purpose do they serve? • What meaning or significance do they have? • In businesses, societies and nature there are always principles and criteria guiding the formation of classes (categories) and relations • They are important 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 11
  • 12. Classes and Relations need basis • This is the motivation for this proposal 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 12  Classes and relations need a set of principles and criteria for the their formation as in OOAD, UML  They have identities and properties for use and application
  • 13. Relation is as fundamental as set  Is a member of is a relation between an object and the set to which it belongs  The concept of relation and set perhaps emerge interdependently and simultaneously This may have been sorted out in some fundamental theories of mathematics and or philosophy 13 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
  • 14. Relation Redefined for clarity and use • The mathematical definition of relation appears unmathematical and leaves many questions unanswered • It is enumerative & unusable • Runs into anomalies and paradoxes • So, here is a proposed definition of relation 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 14
  • 15. Proposed Definition of relation A relation between two sets A and B is a named set of principles and criteria, according to which ordered pairs can be formed from A and B.  Criteria for forming ordered pairs are more important than the pairs  This resolves many questions  See PDF--Relation: Need for Radical Redefinition 15 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION
  • 16. How does this definition help? • Now, we know what a relation is and how to use it without forming ordered pairs first • We know how relation applies for the FUTURE members of sets involved • We can use it to define, create, VERIFY and apply relations correctly and infer from them 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 16
  • 17. Let’s THINK and Discuss • A definition should be clear, consistent and self-sufficient for application and use. • I believe the proposed definition is • I welcome reviews, examples, counter examples and feedback 22JUL13Need to Redefine RELATION 17 START kenablersys@yahoo.com