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Q: #1 Reason Don’t Hit Quota?

A: Inability to Articulate Value! SiriusDecisions
Leads
Products

Process

CRM

Training
By Accident or On Purpose?
30,000 ft

70-90%
UNUSED

3 ft

No Brand’s
Land
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

DIFFERENTIATION

MAXIMIZATION

Create Value

Elevate Value

Capture Value
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

DIFFERENTIATION

Create Value
YOU
24%

60%

No
Decision

ENGAGE
WHY YOU?

THEM

16%
YOU
24%

60%

No
Decision

ENGAGE

WHY CHANGE?

MISSING!!

WHY YOU?
THEM

16%
NEEDS

Identified
Specified

Commodity Conversation

CAPABILITIES
Distinct Point of View =
NEEDS

UNCONSIDERED
NEEDS

Unexpected Urgency and
Unique Value

UNKNOWN
STRENGTHS

Identified
Specified

Commodity Conversation

CAPABILITIES
65 %
BUYING VISION
-3

35 %
BAKE-OFF

-2

Status Quo
Threatened

Identify
New Needs

-1
Define
Solution

“Why Change?”
• Make the status quo unsafe
• Define new set of needs
• Align w/ your Strengths

DIFFERENTIATED CONVERSATION

+1

+2

Identify
Viable Vendors

Review
Approaches

+3
Make
Decision

“Why You”

• Here’s what you say you need
• Here’s what we do different
• Here’s the benefit you will get

COMMODITY CONVERSATION
Neuroscience
New Brain
Designed for Analysis

Old Brain
Designed for Survival

Decision-Making Engine
Social Psychology
Value

3X stronger preference
to avoid loss vs. acquire
gains = “Loss Aversion”

“PROSPECT THEORY”

Outcome

Loss

Gain

Prefer risk that might
mitigate a loss = “Risk
Seeking”
Kahneman, D. and Tversky, A. (1984). “Choices, Values, and Frames.”
American Psychologist 39 (4): 341–350
Behavioral Economics

Analyze

SEE

Think

FEEL

Change

CHANGE
The Heart of Change. Kotter and Cohen.
130 companies across the globe
Enhancing the Spoken Word

10%

65%

Picture Superiority Effect
Conversational Selling

88% Want
Conversations
NOT
Presentations
Differentiation Case Study

49 % of budget 123%
0 Sales at quota 72%
Flat growth
-26%
Retained 92% of sales team
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

DIFFERENTIATION

Create Value
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

DIFFERENTIATION

MAXIMIZATION

Create Value

Elevate Value

Capture Value
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

MAXIMIZATION
Capture Value
A slippery slope…
I% increase in discounting

Your Price

9% decrease

in operating
margin
Typical View of Discounting

Your Price
Negotiating
Tactics

Selling to
business buyer

Deal moves to
purchasing

Their
Price
What’s Really Happening

Your Price
Negotiating
Tactics

Selling to
business buyer

Deal moves to
purchasing

Their
Price
What you need to do
1. Identify Unconsidered Needs

Your Price
Negotiating
Tactics

Selling to
business buyer

Deal moves to
purchasing

Their
Price
NEEDS

UNCONSIDERED
NEEDS

Unexpected Urgency and
Unique Value

UNKNOWN
STRENGTHS

Identified
Specified

Commodity Conversation

CAPABILITIES
What you need to do
1. Identify Unconsidered Needs
2. Exchange Value

Your Price
Negotiating
Tactics

Selling to
business buyer

Deal moves to
purchasing

Their
Price
Demonstrating Value?
Demonstrating Value?

CHECKING BOXES

Giving Away Value
Exchange Value
PIVOTAL AGREEMENTS

Demonstrating Value?

CHECKING BOXES

Giving Away Value
What you need to do
1. Identify Unconsidered Needs
2. Exchange Value
3. Embrace Tension

Your Price
Negotiating
Tactics

Selling to
business buyer

Deal moves to
purchasing

Their
Price
Discount Reduction
Programs

Price
Increases
Discount Reduction
Programs

Price
Increases
Discount Reduction
Programs

Price
Increases

Comp
Threats

Commodity
Pressure
Discount Reduction
Programs

Flee!

Price
Increases

Comp
Threats

Customer Advocate
Give Away Too Much
Drop Too Soon

Commodity
Pressure
Discount Reduction
Programs

Flee!

Price
Increases

Comp
Threats

Customer Advocate
Give Away Too Much
Drop Too Soon

Commodity
Pressure
Discount Reduction
Programs

Flee!

Price
Increases

Comp
Threats

Embrace!

Customer Advocate
Give Away Too Much
Drop Too Soon

Acknowledge/Defer
High Targets & Trades
Concede to Plan

Commodity
Pressure

Counter-intuitive
Behaviors
What you need to do
1. Identify Unconsidered Needs
2. Exchange Value
3. Embrace Tension

Your Price

Selling to
business buyer

Maximize
Value

Deal moves to
purchasing

Their
Price
Maximization Case Study
Trained
Regions +1%

Discounting
Problem
Pilot
Training

Untrained
Regions -1.8%

2.8% Net
Improvement
$1.8M Return
in 30 days
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

MAXIMIZATION
Capture Value
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

DIFFERENTIATION

MAXIMIZATION

Create Value

Elevate Value

Capture Value
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

Elevate Value
EXECUTIVES
VALUE 4X MORE

PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

BUSINESS EXPERTISE
EXECUTIVES
VALUE 4X MORE

PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

BUSINESS EXPERTISE

24%
PROFICIENT

88%
PROFICIENT

4X LESS
LIKELY
EXECUTIVES
VALUE 4X MORE

PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE
AVERAGE
COMPANIES
FOCUS
MORE

88%
PROFICIENT

BUSINESS
ACUMEN
GAP

BEST IN
CLASS
FOCUS 2X
MORE
BUSINESS EXPERTISE

4X LESS
LIKELY

24%
PROFICIENT
3 CHALLENGES
-COMPETENCE
-CONFIDENCE
-COMPELLING
COMPETENCE

1

ROI

2
Finance

3

4
Insight

core competencies

Fluency
target

5
. . .
COMPETENCE

1

ROI

2
Finance

3

4
Insight

core competencies

Fluency
target

5
. . .

50%
average
current
competence
COMPETENCE

Fluency
target
Industry
Benchmarks

10-40%
lift

1

ROI

2
Finance

3

4
Insight

core competencies

5
. . .

50%
average
current
competence
CONFIDENCE

80%
decisions
CONFIDENCE

80%
decisions

FEAR
10%
executive
contacts
CONFIDENCE
toe-to-toe
executive
consultant

80%
decisions

FEAR
vs. sales
trainer

10%
executive
contacts
COMPELLING

CURRENT
STATE

CREATE
URGENCY
INSPIRE
CHANGE

FUTURE
STATE
COMPELLING

CURRENT
STATE

CREATE
URGENCY
INSPIRE
CHANGE

FUTURE
STATE
60% no
decision
COMPELLING

+92%
CURRENT
STATE

CREATE
URGENCY
INSPIRE
CHANGE

close
rate

FUTURE
STATE
60% no
decision
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

Elevate Value
Customer Conversation Continuum
-3

-2

-1

+1

+2

+3

STATUS QUO
THREATENED

IDENTIFY
NEW NEEDS

DEFINE
SOLUTION

REVIEW
VENDORS

CHOOSE
SOLUTION

TERMS AND
CONDITIONS

DIFFERENTIATION

MAXIMIZATION

Create Value

Elevate Value

Capture Value
Malcolm Gladwell
Scientist for Tipping Point
Morton M. Grodzins
What was the difference?

Gladwell told a better story!

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