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The making of appear.in
premium
Dag-Inge Aas
Tech lead
What is appear.in?
• Web-based video chat with
no download, signup or login
• An internal, independent
startup in Telenor
• Team of 20 people from 8
nationalities
Agenda
• How we started creating premium
• A little about how we work
• How we went about solving our problem
• What we ended up with
appear.in/awesome-cat
The beginning
Monetizing appear.in
• Had lots of requests from people wanting to pay
• We wanted to prove to ourselves that we were worth paying for
• Some clear needs emerged
• More people in the room
• Customization options
• Better screen sharing
• Improved quality
appear.in/awesome-cat
Companies wanted to use us
• We saw a lot of standup rooms
• Bigger corporations wanted to buy enterprise
licenses
• Support for town hall meetings,

broadcasting scenarios
Defining the problem we want to solve
What are the users problems?
• Users want to pay for appear.in, but can’t
• There isn’t enough room for the entire team in a
single appear.in room
• The quality is unreliable and unacceptable

in group calls
appear.in/awesome-cat
Users want to pay for appear.in
• Luxury problem when you get these requests
• User won’t pay out of the good of their hearts
There isn’t enough room for the entire team
• A clear need for 8+ calls
• How many is many? When does a meeting stop being a
meeting and start being a broadcast?
• Are the people spectators

or participants?
• We can’t solve this without solving

our third problem
Quality is unreliable and unacceptable
in group calls
• The core issue we were facing
• No use adding more people, if we couldn’t solve this
• No use charging money, if we couldn’t

solve this
appear.in/awesome-cat
What is quality?
• Quality can be any number of things, is it the number
of pixels of video you send? A function of latency and
jitter?
• We define latency as the experience the user has
during a conversation.
• Does it flow naturally, does it feel real? Does it work as
if you are in the same room?
What is bad quality?
• Latency in itself isn’t such a huge issue, the human
brain is amazing
• Variable latency is killer, the brain can’t adjust, social
clues break down
• So-so, mm, ja. We depend on small clues to keep
conversation flowing
Solving the problem
We are peer-to-peer based
• We believed peer-to-peer was
the superior technology
• Really wanted to solve the
problem without going for the
“obvious”
How can we improve quality?
• The Internet is inherently variable
• Jitter saves us most of the time, but when it gets too
bad, things start to fail
• Chrome estimates bandwidth by saturating the link,
leading to packet loss
• PeerConnections compete in a full-mesh network
RTCStats
• https://github.com/opentok/rtcstats-server
• Queries on getStats() and creates aggregates. Currently at
500 features per peer connection.
• Syncs to redshift for querying big datasets
• https://medium.com/the-making-of-appear-in/webrtc-
connection-times-and-the-power-of-playing-around-with-
data-ab11312737e9#.vrqtr3mlq
RTCStats
Network link conditioner to the rescue
• Find the limits in a controlled environment
• Not always enough, link conditioner is too static, we
are looking for big events, not constant losses
Idea: Controlling bandwidth
• b=AS:<bitrate>
• Can be set dynamically on the receiving end
• Set bitrate based on number of people in the room
Partial success
• We were able to set the bandwidth, and even network-
constrained endpoints worked. After 256kbit/s it was
more or less unusable for video
• Supersize looked bad, screen sharing ruined displayed
resolution-based bitrate modification
• Huge realisation when we compared our results to an
SFU-based model
Solution: Selective forwarding
• Support for more people in rooms
• Handles supersize
• Lower CPU requirement
• Better stability and flow in group calls
• It costs a lot more money
Our home-grown SFU
• Written in JavaScript with some C-bindings
• First working version was only 3000 lines
• Globally distributed, uses full-mesh for
discoverability of streams on different hosts
• Multiple servers in each AWS region
Advantages of building your own
• Full control and understanding of the component
• Can build custom scaling, simulcast rules
• Simulcast based on both network and displayed
resolution
• “Control your own core technology”
Disadvantages of building your own
• You have to build it all yourself
• There is a whole bunch of issues you didn’t think
about beforehand
• Learning how to count
• From first prototype to first production use took us
10 months
Architecture
• Each SFU provides signalling
• Every user connects to their closest SFU using latency-
based DNS (sfu.appear.in)
• Global mesh network for peer discovery on publish/
subscribe
• SFU requests stream, forwarded through Amazon network
to closest exit node
AWS internal network
eu-west-1 us-east-1
SFU 1 SFU 2
BobAlice
sfu.appear.in -> 84.0.0.1 sfu.appear.in -> 78.0.0.1
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• Up to 12 people in conversation
• Better quality and stability
• Improved screen sharing
• Branding of room


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Appear.in premium walkthrough

  • 1. The making of appear.in premium Dag-Inge Aas Tech lead
  • 2. What is appear.in? • Web-based video chat with no download, signup or login • An internal, independent startup in Telenor • Team of 20 people from 8 nationalities
  • 3. Agenda • How we started creating premium • A little about how we work • How we went about solving our problem • What we ended up with appear.in/awesome-cat
  • 5. Monetizing appear.in • Had lots of requests from people wanting to pay • We wanted to prove to ourselves that we were worth paying for • Some clear needs emerged • More people in the room • Customization options • Better screen sharing • Improved quality appear.in/awesome-cat
  • 6. Companies wanted to use us • We saw a lot of standup rooms • Bigger corporations wanted to buy enterprise licenses • Support for town hall meetings,
 broadcasting scenarios
  • 7. Defining the problem we want to solve
  • 8. What are the users problems? • Users want to pay for appear.in, but can’t • There isn’t enough room for the entire team in a single appear.in room • The quality is unreliable and unacceptable
 in group calls appear.in/awesome-cat
  • 9. Users want to pay for appear.in • Luxury problem when you get these requests • User won’t pay out of the good of their hearts
  • 10. There isn’t enough room for the entire team • A clear need for 8+ calls • How many is many? When does a meeting stop being a meeting and start being a broadcast? • Are the people spectators
 or participants? • We can’t solve this without solving
 our third problem
  • 11. Quality is unreliable and unacceptable in group calls • The core issue we were facing • No use adding more people, if we couldn’t solve this • No use charging money, if we couldn’t
 solve this appear.in/awesome-cat
  • 12. What is quality? • Quality can be any number of things, is it the number of pixels of video you send? A function of latency and jitter? • We define latency as the experience the user has during a conversation. • Does it flow naturally, does it feel real? Does it work as if you are in the same room?
  • 13. What is bad quality? • Latency in itself isn’t such a huge issue, the human brain is amazing • Variable latency is killer, the brain can’t adjust, social clues break down • So-so, mm, ja. We depend on small clues to keep conversation flowing
  • 15. We are peer-to-peer based • We believed peer-to-peer was the superior technology • Really wanted to solve the problem without going for the “obvious”
  • 16. How can we improve quality? • The Internet is inherently variable • Jitter saves us most of the time, but when it gets too bad, things start to fail • Chrome estimates bandwidth by saturating the link, leading to packet loss • PeerConnections compete in a full-mesh network
  • 17. RTCStats • https://github.com/opentok/rtcstats-server • Queries on getStats() and creates aggregates. Currently at 500 features per peer connection. • Syncs to redshift for querying big datasets • https://medium.com/the-making-of-appear-in/webrtc- connection-times-and-the-power-of-playing-around-with- data-ab11312737e9#.vrqtr3mlq
  • 19. Network link conditioner to the rescue • Find the limits in a controlled environment • Not always enough, link conditioner is too static, we are looking for big events, not constant losses
  • 20. Idea: Controlling bandwidth • b=AS:<bitrate> • Can be set dynamically on the receiving end • Set bitrate based on number of people in the room
  • 21.
  • 22. Partial success • We were able to set the bandwidth, and even network- constrained endpoints worked. After 256kbit/s it was more or less unusable for video • Supersize looked bad, screen sharing ruined displayed resolution-based bitrate modification • Huge realisation when we compared our results to an SFU-based model
  • 23. Solution: Selective forwarding • Support for more people in rooms • Handles supersize • Lower CPU requirement • Better stability and flow in group calls • It costs a lot more money
  • 24.
  • 25. Our home-grown SFU • Written in JavaScript with some C-bindings • First working version was only 3000 lines • Globally distributed, uses full-mesh for discoverability of streams on different hosts • Multiple servers in each AWS region
  • 26. Advantages of building your own • Full control and understanding of the component • Can build custom scaling, simulcast rules • Simulcast based on both network and displayed resolution • “Control your own core technology”
  • 27. Disadvantages of building your own • You have to build it all yourself • There is a whole bunch of issues you didn’t think about beforehand • Learning how to count • From first prototype to first production use took us 10 months
  • 28. Architecture • Each SFU provides signalling • Every user connects to their closest SFU using latency- based DNS (sfu.appear.in) • Global mesh network for peer discovery on publish/ subscribe • SFU requests stream, forwarded through Amazon network to closest exit node
  • 29. AWS internal network eu-west-1 us-east-1 SFU 1 SFU 2 BobAlice sfu.appear.in -> 84.0.0.1 sfu.appear.in -> 78.0.0.1
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