2. Communication: The Key
While Waiting for Test Results
When the Results Arrives
Contacting Matches
Additional Testing
AGENDA
3. COMMUNICATION: THE KEY
Personal email list
myGroups
Website email lists (Yahoo, etc.)
Goal: Maintain communication to teach, to
notify, and to provide support
Delivery: Monthly emails or as needed on a
topic, notice of new testers or results, and for
sales
4. COMMUNICATE CLARITY AND HONESTY
Advise that DNA tells the truth; our ancestors
did not always
Ask the tester their goals in taking a DNA test
in order to better advise
Help them understand the differences
between the major tests
Don’t over sell a test
5. EMAIL TOPICS
Information in this presentation
Suggestions on completing various FTDNA
webpages: settings, beneficiary, GEDCOM
Arrival of new testers and their lineages
No dates and locales for the living or mother’s
maiden names
Test results
Sales and coupon codes
8. Abraham Talley
Father:
Amelia Co, VA Court Order Book 1, p. 129, 21 Nov 1740 Court.
Will of John Talley states: “... bequeth to my son Abraham Tally
…”
Birth:
Bristol Parish Register, Prince George, Co, VA. 21 Oct 1721
John and Ann Tally bapt. son Abraham.
Marriage:
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 5, p. 66, 1 Nov 1757/1 Nov
1757. “Sarah, wife relinquished dower.”
Death:
Mecklenburg Co, VA, Will Book 2, p. 49, 11 Oct 1783/12 Apr
1784. Will of Abraham Talley.
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9. COMPILE DATA ON DESCENDANTS
1074 CODY WARREN10 CORFE (Kristie Marie9
Egelkrout, Shirley Ann8 Beams, Darlene Estella7
Wilson, Herbert Evan6 Wilson, Maria Louise5 Ary,
Sarah Ann4 Ogan, Evan3 Ogan, Peter2 Ogan,
Peter1 Ogan) was born on 19 Feb XXXX in
Langley, British Columbia, Canada.
He married (1) DARLA DENISE GRAVES. She
was born on 07 Nov XXXX in Bellingham,
Whatcom, Washington, USA. He married (2)
ANGEL THOMPSON. She was born in
Bellingham, Whatcom, Washington, USA.
Cody Warren Corfe and Darla Denise Graves had
the following child: ………………etc.
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10. AHNENTAFELS, GEDCOMS, ETC.
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Generation No. 3
4. Guy Franklin Doolin, born 06 Aug 1899 in Iberia, Miller Co, MO; died 12
Jun 1959 in Lebanon, Laclede Co, MO. He was the son of 8. John Marion Doolin
and 9. Mary Matilda Robertson. He married 5. Georgia Faye Williams 10 Nov
1918 in Waynesville, Pulaski Co, MO.
5. Georgia Faye Williams, born 25 Mar 1898 in Waynesville, Pulaski Co, MO;
died 03 Jan 1980 in Kansas City, Wyandotte Co, KS. She was the daughter of 10.
Benjamin Franklin Williams and 11. Tina May Simpson.
Children of Guy Doolin and Georgia Williams are:
i. Horace Joseph Doolin
2 ii. Donald Ray Doolin
iii. Infant Doolin, born 1934; died 1934.
6. Clyde Mills Williams, born 22 Nov 1887 in Fort Scott, Bourbon Co, KS;
died 08 Aug 1957 in Fort Scott, Bourbon Co, KS. He was the son of 12. John
Joseph Williams and 13. Urvilla Victoria McCoon. He married 7. Emily Helen
Gilmore 09 Jun 1921 in Olathe, Johnson Co, KS.
7. Emily Helen Gilmore, born 14 Dec 1890 in Gray's Harbor, Gray's Harbor
Co, WA; died 31 Aug 1942 in Fort Scott, Bourbon Co, KS. She was the daughter of
14. Lowry Graham Gilmore and 15. Mary Adeline Ogan.
11. WAITING IS TIME FOR LEARNING
Learn your testing company’s webpages
For atDNA results, learn spreadsheet
software
Continue educating yourself about DNA
via books, online tutorials, and webinars
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https://www.familytreedna.com
/learn/ftdna/webinars/
16. CONTACT MATCHES
Email most closely related first and share
genealogies (Check HIR for atDNA
contacts)
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William
s
17. CONTACTING Y-DNA MATCHES
Find the matches with the smallest genetic
different on the highest number of markers
you tested.
Email matches with your all-male lineage
(names, dates, locations and any males
who connects to your all-male direct line
down to the present)
Remember, the match can be on siblings
of the all-male direct line but are all are
males 17
18. CONTACTING mtDNA MATCHES
Email only perfect matches as common
ancestors can go back thousands of years
even with a GD of zero
Compare information on your all-female
line, including any females who stem from
it
Compare locations
The match can be on siblings of the all-
female direct line but are always females
except for the most recent generation. 18
19. CONTACTING atDNA MATCHES
Email closest matches first
(largest cMs; not total)
Beginners work with 15 cMs and higher;
Intermediates with 7 cMs; Experts with 5
cMs
Determine HIRs with known cousins and
others; ask if match shares same HIR your
other matches
Share GEDCOM / ahnentafels with
names, dates, locations an all the
descendants you can locate.
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20. GETTING THE MOST FROM ATDNA RESULTS
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Matches List Spreadsheets
Matches’ Segments Spreadsheets
Bio-geographical Compositions
GEDmatch
21. Create Matches Spreadsheets
Download matches list and your matches’
segments list into separate spreadsheets
Keep the originals; make a working copy
of each; add needed columns
Order the segments list by cMs from
largest to smallest
Remove any cMs below 5.0
Do the same for any relative you tested
and merge the data into the working file
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24. Finding Half-identical Regions (HIRs)
Order your matches’ segments list by
chromosome, then start and end positions
Locate clusters that appear to share the
same segment.
A cluster is three or more
Email each member of the cluster to see if
they all match each other in the same
location on the same chromosome. (HIR;
Triangulating)
Those who match each other share the
same common ancestor(s)
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26. Finding Common Ancestors
If testing various known cousins, you can
use their segments to compare with new
matches
Chr Start End cMs SNPs
Emily vs. Doug 12 61,880 12,161,557 23.63 3,913
Emily vs. Dan 12 724,592 14,011,756 25.48 4,413
Dan vs. Doug 12 461,561 12,161,557 22.87 3,813
Determine from whom you inherited the segment.
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27. WHICH ANCESTOR PROVIDED DNA
Test cousins to divide your pedigree chart
for mapping your chromosomes
Use tested cousins to compare to newly
found cousins
Unless you divide your pedigree chart
well, you will match an ancestral couple
Record the common ancestor in a new
column on the working spreadsheet.
Example: RGG1811/HS1812
Example: Gilmore-Storrier 27
28. ME
Guy F
John
Benj.
Georgia
Tina
Mary
Donald
Emily H.
Mary
Clyde M
Lowry
John J.
Urvilla
Beverly
Gerald – 2nd Cousin
Tested for Clyde,
John and Urvilla
Robert – 2nd Cousin
Tested for Emily,
Lowry and Mary
Doug – 1st Cousin
Tested for Guy
and Georgia
Dan – 1st Cousin 1R
Tested for Ben and
Tina
Test Known Cousins
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29. Ancestral DNA Couples
Doug – 1st Cousin
Tested for Guy and
Georgia
Dan – 1st Cousin 1R
Tested for Ben and
Tina
Test a
descendan
t of a
sibling
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30. SIMPSON
A woman was listed as a probable 4th
cousin; a relationship range from 3rd to 7th
cousin.
We shared a list of 4th great-grandparents
with dates and locations.
Her lineage had 8 surnames that connect
to my family in some way.
Within 16 days we found our common
ancestor; we are 6th cousins once
removed.
Chromo Start point End point cMs 30
31. Rebecca and Emily ‘s match
Chromo Start point End point cMs SNPs
X 45,611,715 69,267,006 14.32 1575
X 114,784,651 141,333,316 39.54 3575
X-CHROMOSOME: WHICH ANCESTOR?
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37. X-chromosome Match Summary
Emily
Lowry Gilmore Mary Ogan
Emily
Helen StorrierRobert Gilmore S.P. Ogan Emily Studyvin
Beverly Rebecca, 2nd
cousin, descends
from Mary and
Lowry via son
Robert>Margaret
Kirk, 3rd Cousin, 1
Removed descends
from Helen and
Robert via son
David>Jean>
Margaret>Virginia
Emily, Kirk and Rebecca’s Connections
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38. Lineage Issues
Just sharing names and locations may not
result in finding the common ancestor
Missing ancestors on a six-generation
chart
Not every descendant of the 64 fourth
great-grandparents is known
You or your match may have a female who
married a surname unknown to one of you
Either you or your match may have an
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42. NATIVE AMERICAN: DNA RESULTS
Tim’s mother has 2 Asian segments; Tim has
1
One maternal uncle has 5 Asian segments;
another has 6
Additional relatives of Tim’s maternal
grandfather Paul Youngman were tested
(two 1st and two 2nd cousins); the cousins
have between 4 and 6 Asian segments
Two descendants of Tim’s maternal
grandmother were tested; neither has any
43. THE CHIEF AND TIM
Note the nose, ears, similar brow, tall and
slender
44. GEDmatch
A third party website which allows you to
compare your atDNA data with others who
have uploaded theirs to GEDmatch
Compares raw data files from any of the
three major companies
Some tools are free; the Tier 1 level requires
a $10 monthly fee.
Kitty Cooper’s Blog has a video by Angie
Bush
http://blog.kittycooper.com/tag/gedmatch/ 44
46. Y-DNA TESTING
Test descendants of other sons from oldest
all-male line
Upgrade from Y-37 to Y-67 or Y-111 when
Matches are few and at high GD
No matches
Many matches that appear closely related
Paper trail within a group indicate more than
average for family mutation
SNP and Big Y
Haplogroup Admins can guide you
47. mtDNA TESTING
Test descendants on all-female line of those
suspected of matching
Upgrade to the full mitochonrdial test if you
want a more detailed haplogroup
48. atDNA TESTING
Parents and siblings in order to phase data
and better map the chromosomes
Additional cousins to separate branches of
pedigree chart
1-3rd cousins best
4th cousins can match and/or prove to match
some cousins if not you
53. atDNA AND Y-DNA: GILMORE SECRETS
A Gilmore 2nd cousin tested; my
grandmother and her grandfather were
siblings
No match; we knew both families had
illegitimate children
Each tested a different descendant of the
family
I matched my other Gilmore cousin; she
was a half-match to her Gilmore uncle
through his mother, her grandmother.
Hummm
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54. GILMORE SECRETS
She tested her uncle and the son of the
known illegitimate child on the Y-
chromosome; they matched each other
Two children of the grandmother were by
the same unknown father
Found the correct surname through other
Y-DNA matches, and it is not Gilmore
?
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55. Robert, Jr., Margaret, George, and Lowry
Eyes and brows of Robert differ from George and
Lowry
Foreheads of Robert Jr and Margaret are higher.
PEARL’S CHILDREN 1949
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57. SUMMARY FOR PROJECT MEMBERS
Understand that each test provides
matches for different parts of the genome
and focuses on different parts of the
pedigree chart
Formulate goals before testing
Learn all you can from various sources
Teach your matches what you have
learned
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Comparing just the direct line makes it difficult to find common ancestors
Create Ahnentafels, GEDCOMs, etc. to share with matches and include siblings, dates and locations
Beginners start with 15 cMs and higher
Intermediates use 7 cMs and higher
Experts use 5 cMs and higher
Download your matches list and your matches segments’ list into separate spreadsheets
Keep the originals; make a working copy of each; add needed columns
Add columns as needed
For Segments Spreadsheet
Order the segments list by centimorgans from largest to smallest
Remove any cMs below 5.0
Do the same for any relative you tested and merge the data into the working file
OR …
Combine Matches List and Matches’ Segments into one spreadsheet
Download Matches List Spreadsheet
Add columns to fit your needs
Download Matches’ Segments Spreadsheet
Add columns to fit your needs
OR …
Combine Matches List and Matches’ Segments into one spreadsheet
DNA is from the common ancestor or ancestral couple and farther back on those lines
Test parents, siblings, and other close relatives
Test cousins to separate the lines of your pedigree chart and to help determine which ancestor gave a DNA segment
1st cousins only separate father from mother
2nd and 3rd cousins are best
4th cousins match 50% of the time
Record the common ancestor in a new column on the working spreadsheet.
Example: RGG1811/HS1812
Example: Gilmore-Storrier
Wyandot
Tim’s family story – a connection on his maternal grandfather’s side to Wyandot Chief Tarhe, born ca 1742, called “The Crane”.
The Wyandots settled in the Northwest Territory
Tim’s maternal grandfather, Paul Youngman recorded the history in his book Heritage of the Wyandots, 1975
Tim was interested in finding the Native American DNA segments to prove the genealogy
Choctaw
Tim’s maternal grandmother, Maude (McIntire) Youngman’s great-grandmother Margaret was said to have Choctaw Native American Heritage.
Family members believed it to be true.
Choctaws were in the Southwestern US, and according to the 1880 census, Margaret’s parents were born in Virginia.
Further research indicated that Margaret’s father was born in Wales and her mother in Vermont.
23andMe revealed Tim has an Asian segment on Chromosome 6. (Native American DNA is derived from Asian DNA)
Tim’s mother has two Asian segments; one maternal uncle has five and another has six.
More relatives of his maternal grandfather Paul Youngman were tested (two 1st and two 2nd cousins); the cousins have between four and six Asian segments.
Two descendants of Tim’s maternal grandmother from were tested; no Asian ancestry; not Choctaw.
Chief Tarhe, a Wyandot, b. ca 1742; m. Ronyouquaines who was said to have been the daughter of Chevalier La Durant, a French Canadian. They had:
Myeerah who m. Isaac Zane, captured by the Wyandots. They had:
Sarah who m. Robert Armstrong who was taken by Indians near Pittsburgh PA. They had:
John M. Armstrong, b. 1813 who m. Lucy Bigelow. They had:
Russell B. Armstrong m. Rachel Brown. They had:
Anna B. Armstrong m. Charles L. Youngman. They had:
Paul Youngman, maternal grandfather of Tim Jansen. Paul documented all this in his book Heritage of the Wyandots, 1975.
Jeffrey was born in Cardiff in 1945 and adopted by the Harris Family.
While watching a BBC documentary about tracing your roots, he decided to locate his parents.
Mother’s name on the birth certificate; they met in 2011
Mom’s clue: Father was a Scotsman
In 2010 he and wife visited WDYTYA in London; he tested his Y-chromosome and his atDNA.
A Y-DNA match in Texas was only one marker off; surname was learned.
CLICK
Overseas Cousin Adds Clue:
New Clue: A family friend’s mother said Jeff’s father was an American serviceman billeted in Jeff’s grandfather’s house. Others confirmed this.
Sheila, a Texas cousin whose male relative matched, went to the UK and showed Jeffrey how her cousin and Clifford, an Oregon match, were connected.
Cliff has two half-uncles in the service at the right age and stationed in England.
The investigation continues.