Transcript for RNchat - a Twitter chat for registered nurses. Follow @RNchat - http://Twitter.com/RNchat Visit http://RNchat.org Topics Include: T1 Marketing Fake Patients: What do you think of marketers creating fake patients to represent products/services? #RNchat T2 Trust in Pharma: How much do you trust Pharma? What specific practices do you unapprove or approve? #RNchat T3 IM Injections: Do you still aspirate intramuscular injections? ;) from @Aggiern95 #RNchat

1. rnchat: 101 Blog Posts Every Nurse Should Read - http://bit.ly/aG70tj #RNchat
4/30/2010 07:55
rnchat: Today's #RNchat is at 11:30am EST!
4/30/2010 09:10
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4/30/2010 11:03
rnchat: Welcome to another #RNchat! We have 3 topics today. We'll get started soon. But let's
begin with introductions. What's your passion?
4/30/2010 11:30
EllenRichter: Nice to be here even if its just for 30 minutes! Hi, I'm a critical care nurse and legal nurse
consultant from S. Fla #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:32
InfusionNurse: Good afternoon to all! I'm Cora, infusion nurse..glad to be here today! #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:33
rnchat: Our first topic is coming up in a moment. When responding to a topic, please prepend
your tweet with T1, T2, etc. #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:34
nursingpins: Hey all - Vernon in new Orleans - Critical Care #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:35
rnchat: T1 Marketing Fake Patients: What do you think of marketers creating fake patients as
representatives? (Even if it's disclosed.) #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:35
onlinenursing: Hey guys just in and out... working on ANF grant to mail today! #RNChat Terri here,
Missouri RN
4/30/2010 11:36
EllenRichter: T1 What do you mean "fake patient"? You mean a model instead of a real patient?
#RNchat
4/30/2010 11:36
visiting_nurse: Heather here, gLad 2 participate,. passion for visiting nurse service in the community
#RNchat
4/30/2010 11:36
nursingpins: T1 - have not thought about it - will have to pay more attention. #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:37
onlinenursing: T1 - #RNChat... What? you mean like in commercials? I hate that. I am not a fan of fake
anything (or pharma marketing in general)
4/30/2010 11:37
InfusionNurse: T1 - u mean for advertising medications? #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:38
EllenRichter: T1 Marketing is a way of making a sales pitch. It really shouldnt necessitate REAL
patients in order to be effective #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:39

2. KPNurseRecruit: RT @RNchat: Welcome to another #RNchat! We have 3 topics. We'll get started soon.
But let's begin with introductions. What's your passion?
4/30/2010 11:40
nursingpins: T1 - There are enough real stories out there - stories should be verifiable - and require
ref. #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:40
EllenRichter: @nursingpins T1 I think it depends on whats being marketed. Real stories many not be
needed to make their point. #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:42
Cogneclecticism: New nurse here, recent graduate. My passion is Health Information Technology and
Teaching. #RNChat
4/30/2010 11:43
KPNurseRecruit: Driving (safely) for now--will jump in to #rnchat @ destination. It's going to be a great
Friday.
4/30/2010 11:45
EllenRichter: @visiting_nurse @Cogneclecticism Nice to see some new folks joining in! Welcome~
#RNchat
4/30/2010 11:45
EllenRichter: T1 LOL, at my hospital we have screensavers of nurses & doctors. None of them are real
staff & we do get kinda P'd off at that! :) #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:47
InfusionNurse: T1 - aren't pharma marketing regulated...ie..what they can say whether using real or fake
patients? #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:48
Cogneclecticism: @EllenRichter Thank you. Working on my BS no job yet few openings but designing an
iphone application for nursing sturdents #RNChat
4/30/2010 11:49
nursingpins: T1 - another reason nurses and potential patients should be able to reach a nurse at
hosp. web-sites - to ask quests. (none have it) #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:50
EllenRichter: T1 Many times the average patient doesnt video or photograph well. Not sure why model
patients are a turnoff for advertising? #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:52
lisagualtieri: TI One company was fined for fake stories, http://is.gd/aIB1h. I agree w/@nursingpins -
enough real stories out there #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:53
rnchat: Our next topic coming up in one minute. #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:54
visiting_nurse: RT @Visiting_Nurse: T1 - only benefit on fake patients is during training to improve care
other than that not a fan of them #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:55
EllenRichter: @lisagualtieri @nursingpins T1 Why cant we use the real stories but have paid actors for
health care profnls & patients? Is that OK? #RNchat

3. 4/30/2010 11:55
rnchat: T2 Trust in Pharma: How much do you trust Pharma? What specific practices do you
unapprove or approve? #RNchat
4/30/2010 11:55
nursingpins: T1 I have learned that you can trust about 50% of what the advertisements/detail reps
say - the other 50% is questionable. #rnchat
4/30/2010 11:58
EllenRichter: T2 As far as pharma, I never liked the obligatory "gifting" that always occurred with their
product use. Its not as prevalent now. #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:00
visiting_nurse: T2 none given the recent articles on study manipulation 2 gain fda apprvl n addition 2
sway on clinical study researchrs $ or inkind #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:01
EllenRichter: I have a teleconference in a few minutes & will do my best to multitask, but will say "have
a great weekend" in case I get diverted! #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:02
onlinenursing: #RNChat Pharma is good.They make the meds I use.However, tride & true meds like
HCTZ, Lisinopril, etc & invention of 4$ med list @ Walmart
4/30/2010 12:04
InfusionNurse: T2 - trust Pharma on clinical data...#RNchat
4/30/2010 12:04
nursingpins: T2 for years the whole pharma/dr./hospital culture was based on gifts/kb etc - phama was
just the last out the door with the pins. #rnchat
4/30/2010 12:04
onlinenursing: #RNChat these things have changed my need 4 pharma/drug reps in the clinical setting
(using less samples 4 my uninsured thxs to 4$ list)
4/30/2010 12:05
Cogneclecticism: #RNChat T2 From what Ive read, they put profit before patient safety at times Plus fast-
track their clinical trials on pseudo-new drugs.
4/30/2010 12:08
Cogneclecticism: #RNChat T2 But I have no way of knowing how true those accusations are
4/30/2010 12:08
visiting_nurse: T2 I also blame them for the decline n the true science behind journal http://bit.ly/cbPa7e
#rnchat
4/30/2010 12:09
Cogneclecticism: #RNChat I agree with @onlinenursing 4$ meds at walmart save me a bunch. One of my
meds is like 420 per month w/no co-pay
4/30/2010 12:10
nursingpins: T2 - some drug reps are great - they were the only ones who knew how dopamine really
worked when it first came our :) #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:11
EllenRichter: T2 The general public sees drug companies as being in this biz for the money, not for the

4. end outcomes, which doesnt promote trust #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:11
Cogneclecticism: @visiting_nurse #RNChat Agreed. They re-market old drugs under new names but don't
they all...
4/30/2010 12:11
onlinenursing: T2- Besides insurance companies,pharma r who make the $ in h/c so it is difficult not 2B
suspicious.We need them,but pts. need truth #RNChat
4/30/2010 12:12
visiting_nurse: #rnchat that said i do appreciate them when they support CE activities through
unrestricted grants & stay out of the development of activity
4/30/2010 12:13
Cogneclecticism: #RNChat Cool thing in news yesterday was the Prostate Cancer Vaccine...was prevented
from market for years more money in Chemo
4/30/2010 12:13
onlinenursing: T2- #RNChat I hate when they 'reformulate' oldcheap meds 2 extend
patent.Also,someone tell me why wellbutrin still costs $200/mth gen?
4/30/2010 12:14
EllenRichter: RT @KPNurseRecruit: Skipping back to T1 for a min, here's more info on the fake
epatient (thanks, Phil): http://is.gd/bJbUQ #RNchat lively convo on last #hcsm
4/30/2010 12:15
rnchat: Final topic coming up in a moment! #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:16
Cogneclecticism: @onlinenursing #RNChat Ever read the so-called ingredient changes on a new release
drug? Look up the changes on google..its funny
4/30/2010 12:17
Cogneclecticism: @onlinenursing #RNChat My Abilify is $420/month
4/30/2010 12:18
nursingpins: T2 I think the Empowered Pt Coalition will be responsible for a lot of truth comming out
http://www.empoweredpatientcoalition.org/ #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:18
InfusionNurse: T3 - I was taught to do that...why stop now? #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:19
NursePru: T3 I still aspirate IM's. #rnchat
4/30/2010 12:20
visiting_nurse: LOL some habits r hard 2 break. Im inconsistent. Show me the EBP RT @InfusionNurse:
T3 - I was taught to do that...why stop now? #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:20
NUR3563: RT @nursingpins T2 I think Empowered Pt Coalition will be responsible 4 a lot of truth
comming out http://bit.ly/bJ5IMX #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:20
onlinenursing: RT @nursingpins T2 I think Empowered Pt Coalition will be responsible 4 a lot of truth
comming out http://bit.ly/bJ5IMX #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:20

5. KPNurseRecruit: Strategy meeting in 9 minutes. Must zip. Thanks for hosting #RNChat. Let's use our
energy to make a positive difference.
4/30/2010 12:21
InfusionNurse: @visiting_nurse ..I'm an IV nurse, dont do much IM...LOL can u show the EBP why not
aspirate? #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:22
Aggiern95: #RNchat T3. Well the CDC states you do not need to on vacc admin. Personally I still do
but some textbooks say no
4/30/2010 12:22
onlinenursing: T3 - Aspirate IM's but never Sub-Q. However, the research on IM aspiration is controv.
http://bit.ly/cuTFDz (via STTI) #RNChat
4/30/2010 12:23
InfusionNurse: @onlinenursing ..link didn't work - can u repost? #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:24
visiting_nurse: #rnchat @onlinenursing thank you I was also visiting http://bit.ly/9DfFD7
4/30/2010 12:27
rnchat: We're coming up on one hour. Feel free to continue discussing topics if you'd like.
#RNchat
4/30/2010 12:29
onlinenursing: #RNChat @InfusionNurse - yep try this - http://bit.ly/bVWRBF @visiting_nurse got the link
too :)
4/30/2010 12:29
visiting_nurse: @RNchat thank you for hosting #rnchat it was fun!
4/30/2010 12:30
onlinenursing: @Cogneclecticism #RNChat... yes med prices are crazy!
4/30/2010 12:30
rnchat: THANK YOU everybody! We'll put up a transcript in a little bit. Note: We're also on
Facebook - http://Facebook.com/RNchat #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:30
rnchat: Our next #RNchat will be Friday 5/7 11:30am EST! See you then!
4/30/2010 12:32
nursingpins: #RNchat Thanks Phil - good to see all - later.
4/30/2010 12:32
lisagualtieri: Great post about faux patients by @PhilBaumann http://is.gd/bJbUQ #RNchat via
@EllenRichter & @KPNurseRecruit
4/30/2010 12:32
InfusionNurse: Thanks Phil..thanks everyone for a great chat. Have a great weekend to all!! #RNchat
4/30/2010 12:34
nursingpins: Just noticed I only saw about 1/2 the tweets with tweetchat - and was slow? #rnchat
4/30/2010 12:39

6. InfusionNurse: @onlinenursing @visiting_nurse ..thanks for the link...that is interesting...#RNchat
4/30/2010 12:44
amednews: RT @lisagualtieri Great post about faux patients by @PhilBaumann http://is.gd/bJbUQ
#RNchat via @EllenRichter
4/30/2010 13:11
CPHospital: RT @rwjf: Interesting post for new nurses: RT @RNchat: 101 Blog Posts Every Nurse
Should Read - http://bit.ly/aG70tj #RNchat
4/30/2010 13:24
HANYScomm: RT @RWJF: Interesting post for new nurses: RT @RNchat: 101 Blog Posts Every #Nurse
Should Read - http://bit.ly/aG70tj #RNchat #rn #lpn
4/30/2010 13:33
jmallder: RT @AmJNurs: RT @PHMIWorld: 101 Blog Posts Every Nurse Should Read -
http://bit.ly/aG70tj #RNchat
4/30/2010 13:39
rnchat: @onlinenursing Sure - transcript's coming up soon! #rnchat
4/30/2010 13:46
touch4healing: RT @rnchat: @onlinenursing Sure - transcript's coming up soon! #rnchat
4/30/2010 13:49