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Desktop on an OpenPOWER
system? YES!
Dan Horák, Red Hat / Fedora
2 / 20
Desktop on an OpenPOWER system?
YES!
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Introduction
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Why?
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Hardware
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OS and Software
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Challenges
3 / 20
Introduction
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/me works in the Multi-Arch team in Red Hat
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our goal is parity between all arches in the OS and beyond
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my part is to make sure Fedora works well on Power and
mainframes
4 / 20
Why?
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why not ;-)
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dog-fooding aka test what we produce
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working locally vs. remotely
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it’s high-performance and open
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heterogeneity helps quality
5 / 20
Hardware
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https://openpowerfoundation.org/ opened the chance for an
ecosystem to grow
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IBM, Tyan, Supermicro, Raptor CS, …
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server vs. desktop = fan management
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Talos II is 1st Power/PowerPC workstation after 10 years (YDL
PowerStation)
6 / 20
Raptor Talos II
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further development of an OpenPOWER reference design (Romulus)
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https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/
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dual 8-core + 4x16 GB RAM
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Radeon PRO WX4100 for video
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SoundBlaster PCIe for audio
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2x SATA HDD on on-board PMC/Adaptec SAS
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DVD on Marvell SATA PCIe card
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add-on USB3 ports PCIe card (NEC/Renesas)
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2x NVMe + SMC PCIe carrier card (with PEX8734 switch)
7 / 20
Fedora
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collection of ~20k projects, all arches built from a single source in a
single step
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Fedora → RHEL → CentOS
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only ppc64le since F-29, used to have ppc64 and ppc too
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Everything, Server, Cloud & Container images
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Silverblue and Workstation Live in Rawhide
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desktops installable from Everything
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installation possible from USB in F-30 without workarounds
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“no bootloader” for PowerNV in F-31 installer
8 / 20
Fedora – add-on repos
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RPMFusion.org
– for multimedia and other
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https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sharkcz/talos-kernel/
– for latest rc kernels + patches from linuxppc-dev list
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https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sharkcz/talos/
– for apps and backports
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https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/virtmaint-sig/virt-preview/
– for latest/rawhide virt stack on stable Fedora
9 / 20
Fedora – some numbers
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IP addresses checking in with MirrorManager
– 175547 arch=x86_64
– 6895 arch=i386
– 1075 arch=armhfp
– 759 arch=aarch64
– 168 arch=ppc64le
– 42 arch=s390x
– 30 arch=ppc64
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EPEL counts are ~10x bigger
10 / 20
Challenges - hardware
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new keyboard ;-)
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updating FPGA for early adopters or non-compliant power
supplies
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damage on the bottom of the mainboard
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not all consumer PCIe cards work – visit HCL on Talos wiki
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Talos firmware not merged into upstream
11 / 20
Challenges - software
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convince upstreams there is new and powerful HW, but still there are
hostile upstreams
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64KB vs 4KB kernel page size
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different firmware versions between skiroot and host
– do PCIe reset for card re-initialization?
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DMA for 3D graphics
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browsers
– Firefox works out of the box, JIT for JavaScript in development
– Chromium ported, so QT WebEngine possible
12 / 20
Challenges - software
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QEMU – powernv model (WIP, thanks, Cedric :-))
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multimedia codecs optimizations
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conflicting types for SIMD/Altivec – c++ vs gnu++
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faster boot
– https://opensource.com/article/19/1/booting-linux-faster
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“CI as a service” is missing
– running a multi-arch CI internally, but it doesn’t scale
13 / 20
Challenges - software
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Firefox – ABI bug in the interface between JS and native code
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wrong callback signatures in GTK+ based apps
– gnome-keyring
– gthumb
– LibreOffice
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exhausted static TLS space – app fails to load all libs
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librsvg2 segfaults with “bad” Rust/LLVM
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who wins for Microwatt synthesis – ghdl/yosys or Xilinx? :-)
14 / 20
Conclusion
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Yes, it works! it’s my primary workstation for 1+ year
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demo depends on an OpenPOWER laptop :-)
15 / 20
Links
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https://openpowerfoundation.org/
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/PowerPC
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https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/
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https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Main_Page
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03 desktop on an open powersystem

  • 1. Desktop on an OpenPOWER system? YES! Dan Horák, Red Hat / Fedora
  • 2. 2 / 20 Desktop on an OpenPOWER system? YES! ● Introduction ● Why? ● Hardware ● OS and Software ● Challenges
  • 3. 3 / 20 Introduction ● /me works in the Multi-Arch team in Red Hat ● our goal is parity between all arches in the OS and beyond ● my part is to make sure Fedora works well on Power and mainframes
  • 4. 4 / 20 Why? ● why not ;-) ● dog-fooding aka test what we produce ● working locally vs. remotely ● it’s high-performance and open ● heterogeneity helps quality
  • 5. 5 / 20 Hardware ● https://openpowerfoundation.org/ opened the chance for an ecosystem to grow ● IBM, Tyan, Supermicro, Raptor CS, … ● server vs. desktop = fan management ● Talos II is 1st Power/PowerPC workstation after 10 years (YDL PowerStation)
  • 6. 6 / 20 Raptor Talos II ● further development of an OpenPOWER reference design (Romulus) ● https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ ● dual 8-core + 4x16 GB RAM ● Radeon PRO WX4100 for video ● SoundBlaster PCIe for audio ● 2x SATA HDD on on-board PMC/Adaptec SAS ● DVD on Marvell SATA PCIe card ● add-on USB3 ports PCIe card (NEC/Renesas) ● 2x NVMe + SMC PCIe carrier card (with PEX8734 switch)
  • 7. 7 / 20 Fedora ● collection of ~20k projects, all arches built from a single source in a single step ● Fedora → RHEL → CentOS ● only ppc64le since F-29, used to have ppc64 and ppc too ● Everything, Server, Cloud & Container images ● Silverblue and Workstation Live in Rawhide ● desktops installable from Everything ● installation possible from USB in F-30 without workarounds ● “no bootloader” for PowerNV in F-31 installer
  • 8. 8 / 20 Fedora – add-on repos ● RPMFusion.org – for multimedia and other ● https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sharkcz/talos-kernel/ – for latest rc kernels + patches from linuxppc-dev list ● https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sharkcz/talos/ – for apps and backports ● https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/virtmaint-sig/virt-preview/ – for latest/rawhide virt stack on stable Fedora
  • 9. 9 / 20 Fedora – some numbers ● IP addresses checking in with MirrorManager – 175547 arch=x86_64 – 6895 arch=i386 – 1075 arch=armhfp – 759 arch=aarch64 – 168 arch=ppc64le – 42 arch=s390x – 30 arch=ppc64 ● EPEL counts are ~10x bigger
  • 10. 10 / 20 Challenges - hardware ● new keyboard ;-) ● updating FPGA for early adopters or non-compliant power supplies ● damage on the bottom of the mainboard ● not all consumer PCIe cards work – visit HCL on Talos wiki ● Talos firmware not merged into upstream
  • 11. 11 / 20 Challenges - software ● convince upstreams there is new and powerful HW, but still there are hostile upstreams ● 64KB vs 4KB kernel page size ● different firmware versions between skiroot and host – do PCIe reset for card re-initialization? ● DMA for 3D graphics ● browsers – Firefox works out of the box, JIT for JavaScript in development – Chromium ported, so QT WebEngine possible
  • 12. 12 / 20 Challenges - software ● QEMU – powernv model (WIP, thanks, Cedric :-)) ● multimedia codecs optimizations ● conflicting types for SIMD/Altivec – c++ vs gnu++ ● faster boot – https://opensource.com/article/19/1/booting-linux-faster ● “CI as a service” is missing – running a multi-arch CI internally, but it doesn’t scale
  • 13. 13 / 20 Challenges - software ● Firefox – ABI bug in the interface between JS and native code ● wrong callback signatures in GTK+ based apps – gnome-keyring – gthumb – LibreOffice ● exhausted static TLS space – app fails to load all libs ● librsvg2 segfaults with “bad” Rust/LLVM ● who wins for Microwatt synthesis – ghdl/yosys or Xilinx? :-)
  • 14. 14 / 20 Conclusion ● Yes, it works! it’s my primary workstation for 1+ year ● demo depends on an OpenPOWER laptop :-)