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Is Time Fuzzy?
(time dispersion in quantum mechanics)
John Ashmead
Quantum mechanics: space is fuzzy, particles do not
have a well-defined position in space.
Special relativity: time and space are interchangeable.
Therefore, shouldn’t time be fuzzy as well?
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Relativity & the GPS
• Without including
relativistic effects,
errors of 11km/day!
• Slowing due to
relativistic speed: about
-1 part in 10 billion
• Speed up due to
blueshift: about +5
parts in 10 billion
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Life span of an
atom • accelerated
electron radiates
• once its energy is
gone, it spirals
into the nucleus
• in about one
hundred trillionth
of a second!
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Uncertainty principle
(Blob of Mercury)
Space
MomentumEnergy
Time
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Uncertainty & atoms
Δr large
Δp
small
Δr
medium
Δp
medium
Δr
small
Δp large
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Minkowski
diagram
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
• now have the
uncertainty in time
• now weigh the box
— exactly
(remember E=mc
squared?)
• Einstein: Violates
Heisenburg
Uncertainty
principle in time/
energy
Einstein’s
clock in a box
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Bohr’s response
• To measure energy we add a
test weight over a period of
time
• But this means the box is
going to jiggle up & down
• But if it jiggles up & down in
a gravity field, its time rate is
uncertain
• So measuring the energy
creates an uncertainty in
time
• Just enough to bring back
the uncertainty principle in
energy/time
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Almost 90 years pass
• Bohr, Einstein, Heisenberg
all agree time is fuzzy!
• But times are too small to
measure.
• And that which we can not
measure does not exist!
• Until we can measure it!
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Radical Conservatism
“Wheeler’s often unconventional
vision of nature was grounded in
reality through the principle of
radical conservatism, which he
acquired from Niels Bohr: Be
conservative by sticking to well-
established physical principles,
but probe them by exposing their
most radical conclusions.” – Kip
Thorne
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Here come the Fuzz
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
First, prove
Yourself Wrong!
What is the
estimated size of
the effects?
Size so large we
should have seen
already!
Size so tiny we can’t
see in foreseeable
future!
Just right! We can
see if we look in the right
way.
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Width of an Atom in Time
• In comes a photon, traveling
at the speed of light
• The atom is not big; in fact it
is about one billionth of a
centimeter wide
• That means that light crosses
the atom in about one
attosecond (one billion
billionth of a second)
• But Ossiander and a few close
friends measured to fractions
of an attosecond in 2016!
one billionth of a centimeter
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Look, I don’t care what
your theory of time is.
Just give me something I
can prove wrong
Nicolas Gisin
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
What are path
integrals?
• Alice walks her
dog from A to B
• She takes one path
• Her dog can take
many paths
• And being a
quantum dog,
takes all at once
• In space: left &
right, forwards &
backwards.
• And in time?
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Paths up close
10 20 30 40
Space
20
40
60
80
Clock Time
Paths in space only
10 20 30 40
Space
20
40
60
80
Time
Paths in time as well as space
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Balancing Act
Potential energy
(slow moving, far from
nucleus)
Kinetic energy
(fast moving, close to
nucleus)
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
The river valley
Space
Space
Time
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Dog Walking in Time
Space
Time
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Time of
Arrival
• Every thing is a bit more
spread out in time
• Effect universal
• But not that big
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Single Slit/Bullets
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Single Slit/Waves
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Single slit in
Standard QM (SQM)
• No uncertainty
principle in
time/energy
• Fast shutter
constricts gate
• Arbitrarily
small
dispersion
Source Gate Detector
W
Clipped
Unclipped
Unclipped
Clipped
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Single slit in QM with
Time (TQM)
• Uncertainty
principle in
time/energy
• Diffraction
• Arbitrarily
large dispersion
• FalsifiableSource Gate Detector
W
Clipped
Diffracted
Diffracted
Clipped
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
How to think about
Weird things
• Consistent: effects usually at scale of
attoseconds
• Falsifiable: no free parameters, large
enough to measure.
• Simple: complete symmetry between
time and space
• Scope: any quantum experiment
varying at time scale of attoseconds
• Fruitful: lots of experiments, lots of
interesting tech, no null experiments.
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Uses of dispersion
in time
• Quantum gravity without costs & risks of
black holes
• New communication channels, new
circuit elements, as memristors
• Attosecond chemistry; attoseconds are
the time scale for electron/molecule
interactions
• Attosecond biology; better understanding
of DNA, protein formation, …
• Let’s take a flyer on the future; you never
know where the lightning will strike!
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
References
• Gisin - Quantum Chance
• Carroll - From Here to Eternity
• Susskind & Friedman - Quantum Mechanics
• Clegg et al - 30-second Quantum Theory
• Halpern - Quantum Labyrinth
• Ashmead - Time dispersion in quantum
mechanics - (2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1239
012015)
http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019
Is time fuzzy?
We still don’t know,
but perhaps we can find out
• Ferne Welch
• Jonathan Smith
• Nicolas Gisin
• Martin Land & Larry
Horwitz
• Capclave 2019
Source Gate Detector
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Time dispersion in quantum mechanics

  • 1. Is Time Fuzzy? (time dispersion in quantum mechanics) John Ashmead Quantum mechanics: space is fuzzy, particles do not have a well-defined position in space. Special relativity: time and space are interchangeable. Therefore, shouldn’t time be fuzzy as well?
  • 2. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Relativity & the GPS • Without including relativistic effects, errors of 11km/day! • Slowing due to relativistic speed: about -1 part in 10 billion • Speed up due to blueshift: about +5 parts in 10 billion
  • 3. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Life span of an atom • accelerated electron radiates • once its energy is gone, it spirals into the nucleus • in about one hundred trillionth of a second!
  • 4. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Uncertainty principle (Blob of Mercury) Space MomentumEnergy Time
  • 5. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Uncertainty & atoms Δr large Δp small Δr medium Δp medium Δr small Δp large
  • 6. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Minkowski diagram
  • 7. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 • now have the uncertainty in time • now weigh the box — exactly (remember E=mc squared?) • Einstein: Violates Heisenburg Uncertainty principle in time/ energy Einstein’s clock in a box
  • 8. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Bohr’s response • To measure energy we add a test weight over a period of time • But this means the box is going to jiggle up & down • But if it jiggles up & down in a gravity field, its time rate is uncertain • So measuring the energy creates an uncertainty in time • Just enough to bring back the uncertainty principle in energy/time
  • 9. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Almost 90 years pass • Bohr, Einstein, Heisenberg all agree time is fuzzy! • But times are too small to measure. • And that which we can not measure does not exist! • Until we can measure it!
  • 10. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Radical Conservatism “Wheeler’s often unconventional vision of nature was grounded in reality through the principle of radical conservatism, which he acquired from Niels Bohr: Be conservative by sticking to well- established physical principles, but probe them by exposing their most radical conclusions.” – Kip Thorne
  • 11. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Here come the Fuzz
  • 12. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 First, prove Yourself Wrong! What is the estimated size of the effects? Size so large we should have seen already! Size so tiny we can’t see in foreseeable future! Just right! We can see if we look in the right way.
  • 13. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Width of an Atom in Time • In comes a photon, traveling at the speed of light • The atom is not big; in fact it is about one billionth of a centimeter wide • That means that light crosses the atom in about one attosecond (one billion billionth of a second) • But Ossiander and a few close friends measured to fractions of an attosecond in 2016! one billionth of a centimeter
  • 14. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Look, I don’t care what your theory of time is. Just give me something I can prove wrong Nicolas Gisin
  • 15. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 What are path integrals? • Alice walks her dog from A to B • She takes one path • Her dog can take many paths • And being a quantum dog, takes all at once • In space: left & right, forwards & backwards. • And in time?
  • 16. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Paths up close 10 20 30 40 Space 20 40 60 80 Clock Time Paths in space only 10 20 30 40 Space 20 40 60 80 Time Paths in time as well as space
  • 17. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Balancing Act Potential energy (slow moving, far from nucleus) Kinetic energy (fast moving, close to nucleus)
  • 18. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 The river valley Space Space Time
  • 19. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Dog Walking in Time Space Time
  • 20. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Time of Arrival • Every thing is a bit more spread out in time • Effect universal • But not that big
  • 21. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Single Slit/Bullets
  • 22. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Single Slit/Waves
  • 23. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Single slit in Standard QM (SQM) • No uncertainty principle in time/energy • Fast shutter constricts gate • Arbitrarily small dispersion Source Gate Detector W Clipped Unclipped Unclipped Clipped
  • 24. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Single slit in QM with Time (TQM) • Uncertainty principle in time/energy • Diffraction • Arbitrarily large dispersion • FalsifiableSource Gate Detector W Clipped Diffracted Diffracted Clipped
  • 25. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 How to think about Weird things • Consistent: effects usually at scale of attoseconds • Falsifiable: no free parameters, large enough to measure. • Simple: complete symmetry between time and space • Scope: any quantum experiment varying at time scale of attoseconds • Fruitful: lots of experiments, lots of interesting tech, no null experiments.
  • 26. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Uses of dispersion in time • Quantum gravity without costs & risks of black holes • New communication channels, new circuit elements, as memristors • Attosecond chemistry; attoseconds are the time scale for electron/molecule interactions • Attosecond biology; better understanding of DNA, protein formation, … • Let’s take a flyer on the future; you never know where the lightning will strike!
  • 27. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 References • Gisin - Quantum Chance • Carroll - From Here to Eternity • Susskind & Friedman - Quantum Mechanics • Clegg et al - 30-second Quantum Theory • Halpern - Quantum Labyrinth • Ashmead - Time dispersion in quantum mechanics - (2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1239 012015)
  • 28. http://timeandquantummechanics.comTime dispersion in quantum mechanics/John Ashmead Capclave 2019 Is time fuzzy? We still don’t know, but perhaps we can find out • Ferne Welch • Jonathan Smith • Nicolas Gisin • Martin Land & Larry Horwitz • Capclave 2019 Source Gate Detector W Clipped Diffracted Diffracted Clipped