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Open Innovation: what
companies can learn from Open
Source communities

Alessio Fattorini, Nethesis - NethServer
@ale_fattorini
OPEN INNOVATION
ALESSIO FATTORINI
▸ Work at Nethesis (Italy)
▸ Community Evangelist / Leader /
Junkie
▸ Build Welcoming Communities
▸ Connect People and work with
Open Source
▸ Prosecco Evangelist
#neth17
NETHESIS
2003
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
SYSTEM INTEGRATORS
▸ Clear business model
▸ We added value
▸ Gave back to the upstream
projects
▸ Times were different then
2010
OPEN INNOVATION
OUR OWN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT
▸ Espresso and pastry
▸ From scratch
▸ On top of CentOS
▸ Assuming that we had:
experience, know-how,
workforce
WE FELT SO BRAVE
WE FELT SO BRAVE
AND FOOL
OPEN INNOVATION
MAKING SYSADMIN’S LIFE EASIER
▸ Free to Download
▸ Openly developed
▸ Community-driven
WHY A COMMUNITY?
OPEN INNOVATION
DEVELOPING IT BY OURSELVES
▸ We would have been more
effective
▸ Faster decision process
▸ Like any other company
▸ But deeply into the Open
Source culture
TO GO FAST, GO ALONE.
TO GO FAR, GO TOGETHER.
African Proverb
OPEN INNOVATION
OPEN INNOVATION
HOW CAN WE BUILD A COMMUNITY?
▸ Never built one
▸ Good at code not with people
▸ We were a company
HOW TO BUILD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE COMPANY AND THE
COMMUNITY ITSELF?
GOLDEN RULE OF
COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT
THERE IS
NO GOLDEN RULE
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
WE LEARNED MANY THINGS ALONG THE WAY
▸ Sharing with you what we have
found
▸ Be useful
▸ Avoid you some mistakes and
failures
YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW
THE OPEN SOURCE RULES
IF YOU WANNA PLAY THE
OPEN SOURCE GAME
START TO WORK OUT
IN THE OPEN
CONVERT IN AN OPEN
COMPANY
GIVE TAKE
GIVE
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
COMPANY HAS TO GIVE FIRST
▸ Build trust
▸ Code is not enough
▸ You have to invest in people
PEOPLE OVER THE CODE
PUT PEOPLE FIRST
OPEN INNOVATION
NOT AN EFFICIENT SHORT-TERM STRATEGY
▸ Even if you get some quick
returns
▸ Long journey and it takes time
▸ Can take months/years
▸ It pays off
OPEN INNOVATION
IT’S NOT A MARKETING CHANNEL
▸ Entire different animal
▸ No direct sales
▸ Company -> Audience
▸ Member <-> Member
BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY / COMPANY
CLARIFY THE RELATIONSHIP
OPEN INNOVATION
BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY / COMPANY
▸ Why the org has decided to
build a community?
▸ What it hopes to gain?
▸ What community will gain?
▸ Understand community needs
▸ No spaces for grey areas
OPEN INNOVATION
NETHESIS AND NETHSERVER COMMUNITY
▸ Community effort founded/
supported by Nethesis
▸ Nethesis business model
▸ Revenue used to fund the
development, sites, community
▸ Same target: making NethServer
better and successful
BECAUSE THE COMPANY WORKS
OUT IN THE OPEN AND AS PART OF
THE COMMUNITY
EVERYBODY WINS
@ale_fattorini
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY
COMMUNITY MANAGERS AREN’T SOLELY
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
HIRE A COMMUNITY MANAGER
▸ In charge of good
communication between those
entities
▸ Essential in the early stages
▸ Voice of the company/community
▸ Have to participate at a level that
can appear disloyal
IN YOUR COMMUNITY?
HOW TO SPEND YOUR TIME
OPEN INNOVATION
BE WELCOMING
▸ First experience is critical
▸ Feel acknowledged
▸ Know what to do first
▸ First post -> prompt response
IT DOESN’T MATTER
HOW FUN AND AMAZING
YOUR PROJECT IS. IF
PEOPLE DON’T FEEL
SAFE THEY WONT’
CONTRIBUTE.
OPEN INNOVATION
BE INCLUSIVE
▸ Create an environment where
people feel safe
▸ Be humble - don’t patronize
▸ Create some rules and lead by
example
@ale_fattorini
Thank you Toolset
OPEN INNOVATION
LISTEN TO YOUR COMMUNITY
▸ You will tempted to steer the
discussion too much
▸ Be open-minded and be ready
to change your mind
▸ Be ready to discuss and ask
people to do the same
WHEN WE’RE CLOSE TO IDEAS, WE HEAR
CRITICISM. WHEN WE’RE OPEN TO
CRITICISM WHAT WE GET IS ADVICE.
Simon Sinek
OPEN INNOVATION, WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
OPEN INNOVATION
BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT
▸ Introducing open innovation is
a huge cultural shift
▸ You will tempted to keep your
discussions private. Tell your
people to stop doing that.
▸ Contributors can’t actually
understand what’s going on
OPEN INNOVATION
TRY TO WORK OUT LOUD
▸ Share what are you working on
▸ Keep people updated on your
last achievements
▸ Ask your member to do the
same
IN THE DEVELOPMENT
PROCESS
KEEP THE PEOPLE INVOLVED
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
CONCRETE WAY TO PRACTICE OPENESS
▸ Some common advice: bugs,
features, roadmap completely
public, pull request NOT
ENOUGH
▸ A lot of development happens in
code repositories and bug
trackers.
▸ Not places where users hang out
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
NO SEPARATED PLACES
▸ Don’t underestimate what
people can see in some
discussions
▸ Give their feedback and say
thank you to the devs
▸ If you separate you can’t have
this kind of contribution
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
LEAD THE SUPPORT
‣ Take over the support requests
‣ Answering all the support
questions it’s still not enough
‣ Can’t always be the only one
who helps
‣ Train your community to
answer instead
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
TRAIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT
‣ Call upon specific people to
help other specific people
‣ Three outcomes:
‣ More inclined to participate
‣ Feel like experts
‣ Help newcomers, be thanked
TAKE
BUILDING AN OPEN
SOURCE COMMUNITY
WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF
THE BEST WAY TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA IS
TO HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS
INNOVATION
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
INNOVATION
▸ Having different points of view
on your product is essential
▸ How many disrupting ideas can
a company create?
▸ Ability to invite the entire world
to continuously improve the
product
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
COMMUNITY = IDEAS FACTORY
▸ Really leverage the power of
the collective
▸ 90% of all community feedback
is crap, this means 10% is gold!
(J. Atwood)
REFINE THAT RAW MATERIALS
INTRO PRACTICAL IMPROVEMENTS
WISDOM WILL COME FROM YOUR CONTRIBUTORS
DEVELOPMENT
THE IVORY TOWER
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
THE IVORY TOWER DEVELOPMENT
‣ It’s dangerous to create an
environment where developers
have no idea who the users are
‣ Developers assume everyone
else is a developer
‣ A community brings developers
back to the reality and helps to
stay grounded.
OPEN INNOVATION
FROM THE OUTSIDE
▸ Enable the product/company
to look at itself from the
outside
▸ Catch your strengths and
weaknesses
NETHSERVER IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM
FOR LINUX ENTHUSIASTS, DESIGNED FOR
SMALL OFFICES AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE
NETHSERVER IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM
FOR LINUX ENTHUSIASTS, DESIGNED FOR
SMALL OFFICES AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE
NETHSERVER IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM
FOR LINUX ENTHUSIASTS, DESIGNED FOR
SMALL OFFICES AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE
OPEN INNOVATION
▸ Feedback
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
OPEN INNOVATION
▸ Feedback
▸ Comparisons
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
OPEN INNOVATION
▸ Feedback
▸ Comparisons
▸ Testing and bugs
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
OPEN INNOVATION
▸ Feedback
▸ Comparisons
▸ Testing and bugs
▸ Content
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
OPEN INNOVATION
▸ Feedback
▸ Comparisons
▸ Testing and bugs
▸ Content
▸ Support
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
OPEN INNOVATION
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
▸ Feedback
▸ Comparisons
▸ Testing and bugs
▸ Content
▸ Support
▸ Development
OPEN INNOVATION
OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
▸ Feedback
▸ Comparisons
▸ Testing and bugs
▸ Content
▸ Support
▸ Development
▸ Translations
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
ENABLE THE COMPANY TO GO GLOBAL
‣ We’re Italian: our wine and food
‣ Community gets the company
ready to go global
‣ Forced us to study English
‣ Speak in public without being
fooled by the audience
‣ First NethServer Conference
OPEN INNOVATION
▸ Holy grail of marketers: word
of mouth marketing
▸ Tribal Marketing
▸ Message that go sideways from
member to member
▸ Street team
SPREAD THE WORD
LOYALTY
IN COMMUNITY YOU’RE BUILDING CONNECTIONS
WITH PEOPLE WHICH IS WAY MORE POWERFUL
THAN FEATURES
IT’S MUCH MORE HARDER TO LEAVE A
GROUP YOU’RE CONNECTED TO THAN
FACELESS PRODUCT/COMPANY
Evan Hamilton
OPEN INNOVATION, WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
TAKEAWAYS
DEFINITELY TAKES SOME
TIME AND RESOURCES
SUPPORTING YOUR MEMBERS
AND LEADING THE DISCUSSIONS
WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT AS A TACTIC
COMPANIES FAIL AT COMMUNITY
A CORE PART OF THE BUSINESS
PHILOSOPHY
INSTEAD OF MAKING IT
OPEN INNOVATION
COMMUNITY IS NOT
▸ Marketing
▸ An efficient short-term strategy
WE COULD NEVER HAVE ACHIEVED THOSE
RESULTS WITHOUT OUR COMMUNITY
WE EXPERIENCE THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY
WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
IT CAN DO SO MUCH MORE
▸ Completely set your business apart
from every company in the field
▸ Redefine markets
▸ Inspire milions of people
▸ Give them a sense of belonging
▸ Make them feel an incredible bond
WILL ALWAYS WIN
COMMUNITY-DRIVEN COMPANIES
THANK YOU
@ale_fattorini
alessiofattorini
nethserver.org
nethesis.it

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NethServer is an operating system for Linux enthusiasts

  • 1. Talk Title Here
 Author Name, Company Open Innovation: what companies can learn from Open Source communities
 Alessio Fattorini, Nethesis - NethServer
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  • 4. OPEN INNOVATION ALESSIO FATTORINI ▸ Work at Nethesis (Italy) ▸ Community Evangelist / Leader / Junkie ▸ Build Welcoming Communities ▸ Connect People and work with Open Source ▸ Prosecco Evangelist
  • 6. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES SYSTEM INTEGRATORS ▸ Clear business model ▸ We added value ▸ Gave back to the upstream projects ▸ Times were different then
  • 8. OPEN INNOVATION OUR OWN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT ▸ Espresso and pastry ▸ From scratch ▸ On top of CentOS ▸ Assuming that we had: experience, know-how, workforce
  • 9. WE FELT SO BRAVE
  • 10. WE FELT SO BRAVE AND FOOL
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  • 12. OPEN INNOVATION MAKING SYSADMIN’S LIFE EASIER ▸ Free to Download ▸ Openly developed ▸ Community-driven
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  • 15. OPEN INNOVATION DEVELOPING IT BY OURSELVES ▸ We would have been more effective ▸ Faster decision process ▸ Like any other company ▸ But deeply into the Open Source culture
  • 16. TO GO FAST, GO ALONE. TO GO FAR, GO TOGETHER. African Proverb OPEN INNOVATION
  • 17. OPEN INNOVATION HOW CAN WE BUILD A COMMUNITY? ▸ Never built one ▸ Good at code not with people ▸ We were a company
  • 18. HOW TO BUILD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMPANY AND THE COMMUNITY ITSELF?
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  • 23. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES WE LEARNED MANY THINGS ALONG THE WAY ▸ Sharing with you what we have found ▸ Be useful ▸ Avoid you some mistakes and failures
  • 24. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE OPEN SOURCE RULES IF YOU WANNA PLAY THE OPEN SOURCE GAME
  • 25. START TO WORK OUT IN THE OPEN CONVERT IN AN OPEN COMPANY
  • 27. GIVE
  • 28. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES COMPANY HAS TO GIVE FIRST ▸ Build trust ▸ Code is not enough ▸ You have to invest in people
  • 29. PEOPLE OVER THE CODE PUT PEOPLE FIRST
  • 30. OPEN INNOVATION NOT AN EFFICIENT SHORT-TERM STRATEGY ▸ Even if you get some quick returns ▸ Long journey and it takes time ▸ Can take months/years ▸ It pays off
  • 31. OPEN INNOVATION IT’S NOT A MARKETING CHANNEL ▸ Entire different animal ▸ No direct sales ▸ Company -> Audience ▸ Member <-> Member
  • 32. BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY / COMPANY CLARIFY THE RELATIONSHIP
  • 33. OPEN INNOVATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY / COMPANY ▸ Why the org has decided to build a community? ▸ What it hopes to gain? ▸ What community will gain? ▸ Understand community needs ▸ No spaces for grey areas
  • 34. OPEN INNOVATION NETHESIS AND NETHSERVER COMMUNITY ▸ Community effort founded/ supported by Nethesis ▸ Nethesis business model ▸ Revenue used to fund the development, sites, community ▸ Same target: making NethServer better and successful
  • 35. BECAUSE THE COMPANY WORKS OUT IN THE OPEN AND AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY
  • 37. @ale_fattorini RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY MANAGERS AREN’T SOLELY
  • 38. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES HIRE A COMMUNITY MANAGER ▸ In charge of good communication between those entities ▸ Essential in the early stages ▸ Voice of the company/community ▸ Have to participate at a level that can appear disloyal
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  • 40. IN YOUR COMMUNITY? HOW TO SPEND YOUR TIME
  • 41. OPEN INNOVATION BE WELCOMING ▸ First experience is critical ▸ Feel acknowledged ▸ Know what to do first ▸ First post -> prompt response
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  • 43. IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW FUN AND AMAZING YOUR PROJECT IS. IF PEOPLE DON’T FEEL SAFE THEY WONT’ CONTRIBUTE.
  • 44. OPEN INNOVATION BE INCLUSIVE ▸ Create an environment where people feel safe ▸ Be humble - don’t patronize ▸ Create some rules and lead by example
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  • 53. OPEN INNOVATION LISTEN TO YOUR COMMUNITY ▸ You will tempted to steer the discussion too much ▸ Be open-minded and be ready to change your mind ▸ Be ready to discuss and ask people to do the same
  • 54. WHEN WE’RE CLOSE TO IDEAS, WE HEAR CRITICISM. WHEN WE’RE OPEN TO CRITICISM WHAT WE GET IS ADVICE. Simon Sinek OPEN INNOVATION, WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
  • 55. OPEN INNOVATION BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT ▸ Introducing open innovation is a huge cultural shift ▸ You will tempted to keep your discussions private. Tell your people to stop doing that. ▸ Contributors can’t actually understand what’s going on
  • 56. OPEN INNOVATION TRY TO WORK OUT LOUD ▸ Share what are you working on ▸ Keep people updated on your last achievements ▸ Ask your member to do the same
  • 57. IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS KEEP THE PEOPLE INVOLVED
  • 58. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES CONCRETE WAY TO PRACTICE OPENESS ▸ Some common advice: bugs, features, roadmap completely public, pull request NOT ENOUGH ▸ A lot of development happens in code repositories and bug trackers. ▸ Not places where users hang out
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  • 60. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES NO SEPARATED PLACES ▸ Don’t underestimate what people can see in some discussions ▸ Give their feedback and say thank you to the devs ▸ If you separate you can’t have this kind of contribution
  • 61. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES LEAD THE SUPPORT ‣ Take over the support requests ‣ Answering all the support questions it’s still not enough ‣ Can’t always be the only one who helps ‣ Train your community to answer instead
  • 62. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES TRAIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT ‣ Call upon specific people to help other specific people ‣ Three outcomes: ‣ More inclined to participate ‣ Feel like experts ‣ Help newcomers, be thanked
  • 63. TAKE
  • 64. BUILDING AN OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF
  • 65. THE BEST WAY TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA IS TO HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS INNOVATION
  • 66. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES INNOVATION ▸ Having different points of view on your product is essential ▸ How many disrupting ideas can a company create? ▸ Ability to invite the entire world to continuously improve the product
  • 67. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES COMMUNITY = IDEAS FACTORY ▸ Really leverage the power of the collective ▸ 90% of all community feedback is crap, this means 10% is gold! (J. Atwood)
  • 68. REFINE THAT RAW MATERIALS INTRO PRACTICAL IMPROVEMENTS WISDOM WILL COME FROM YOUR CONTRIBUTORS
  • 70. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES THE IVORY TOWER DEVELOPMENT ‣ It’s dangerous to create an environment where developers have no idea who the users are ‣ Developers assume everyone else is a developer ‣ A community brings developers back to the reality and helps to stay grounded.
  • 71. OPEN INNOVATION FROM THE OUTSIDE ▸ Enable the product/company to look at itself from the outside ▸ Catch your strengths and weaknesses
  • 72. NETHSERVER IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM FOR LINUX ENTHUSIASTS, DESIGNED FOR SMALL OFFICES AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE
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  • 74. NETHSERVER IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM FOR LINUX ENTHUSIASTS, DESIGNED FOR SMALL OFFICES AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE
  • 75. NETHSERVER IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM FOR LINUX ENTHUSIASTS, DESIGNED FOR SMALL OFFICES AND MEDIUM ENTERPRISE
  • 76. OPEN INNOVATION ▸ Feedback OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
  • 77. OPEN INNOVATION ▸ Feedback ▸ Comparisons OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
  • 78. OPEN INNOVATION ▸ Feedback ▸ Comparisons ▸ Testing and bugs OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
  • 79. OPEN INNOVATION ▸ Feedback ▸ Comparisons ▸ Testing and bugs ▸ Content OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
  • 80. OPEN INNOVATION ▸ Feedback ▸ Comparisons ▸ Testing and bugs ▸ Content ▸ Support OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
  • 81. OPEN INNOVATION OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS ▸ Feedback ▸ Comparisons ▸ Testing and bugs ▸ Content ▸ Support ▸ Development
  • 82. OPEN INNOVATION OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BENEFITS ▸ Feedback ▸ Comparisons ▸ Testing and bugs ▸ Content ▸ Support ▸ Development ▸ Translations
  • 83. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES ENABLE THE COMPANY TO GO GLOBAL ‣ We’re Italian: our wine and food ‣ Community gets the company ready to go global ‣ Forced us to study English ‣ Speak in public without being fooled by the audience ‣ First NethServer Conference
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  • 85. OPEN INNOVATION ▸ Holy grail of marketers: word of mouth marketing ▸ Tribal Marketing ▸ Message that go sideways from member to member ▸ Street team SPREAD THE WORD
  • 86. LOYALTY IN COMMUNITY YOU’RE BUILDING CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE WHICH IS WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN FEATURES
  • 87. IT’S MUCH MORE HARDER TO LEAVE A GROUP YOU’RE CONNECTED TO THAN FACELESS PRODUCT/COMPANY Evan Hamilton OPEN INNOVATION, WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES
  • 89. DEFINITELY TAKES SOME TIME AND RESOURCES SUPPORTING YOUR MEMBERS AND LEADING THE DISCUSSIONS
  • 90. WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT AS A TACTIC COMPANIES FAIL AT COMMUNITY
  • 91. A CORE PART OF THE BUSINESS PHILOSOPHY INSTEAD OF MAKING IT
  • 92. OPEN INNOVATION COMMUNITY IS NOT ▸ Marketing ▸ An efficient short-term strategy
  • 93. WE COULD NEVER HAVE ACHIEVED THOSE RESULTS WITHOUT OUR COMMUNITY WE EXPERIENCE THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY
  • 94. WHAT COMPANIES CAN LEARN FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITIES IT CAN DO SO MUCH MORE ▸ Completely set your business apart from every company in the field ▸ Redefine markets ▸ Inspire milions of people ▸ Give them a sense of belonging ▸ Make them feel an incredible bond