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Physical Chemists
are
Frustrated
by
Real Solutions
Bob Eisenberg
October 13, 2015
Department of Molecular Biophysics
Rush University
Chicago
1
“ …. it is almost never valid
to use Debye-Hückel theory …
it is important to take proper account of
ion size
Stell, G. and C.G. Joslin Biophys J, 1986. 50(5): p. 855-859.
The classical text of Robinson and Stokes
(not otherwise noted for its emotional content)
gives a glimpse of these feelings when it says
“In regard to concentrated solutions,
many workers adopt a counsel of
despair, confining their interest to
concentrations below about 0.02 M, ... ”
p. 302 Electrolyte Solutions (1959) Butterworths ,
also Dover (2002), emphasis added
3
“It is still a fact that over the last decades,
it was easier to fly to the
moon
than to describe the
free energy
of even the simplest salt
solutions
beyond a concentration of 0.1M or so.”
Kunz, W. "Specific Ion Effects"
World Scientific Singapore, 2009; p 11.
Werner Kunz
4
Electrolytes are Complex Fluids
5
After 690 pages and 2604 references, properties of
SINGLE Ions
are
Elusive*
because
Every Ion
Interacts
with
Everything
*’elusive’ is in the authors’ choice in the title
but emphasis is added
Hünenberger & Reif (2011)
“Single-Ion Solvation
… Approaches to Elusive* Thermodynamic Quantities”
Electrolytes are Complex Fluids
6
Treating a
Complex Fluid
as if it were a
Simple Fluid
will produce
Elusive Results
7
Learned from Doug Henderson, J.-P. Hansen, Stuart Rice, among others…Thanks!
Ions
in a solution are a
Highly Compressible Plasma
Central Result of Physical Chemistry
although the
Solution is Incompressible
Free energy of an ionic solution is mostly determined by the
Number density of the ions.
Density varies from 10-11 to 101M
in typical biological system of proteins, nucleic acids, and channels.

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Poisson Boltzmann is wrong

  • 1. Physical Chemists are Frustrated by Real Solutions Bob Eisenberg October 13, 2015 Department of Molecular Biophysics Rush University Chicago 1
  • 2. “ …. it is almost never valid to use Debye-Hückel theory … it is important to take proper account of ion size Stell, G. and C.G. Joslin Biophys J, 1986. 50(5): p. 855-859.
  • 3. The classical text of Robinson and Stokes (not otherwise noted for its emotional content) gives a glimpse of these feelings when it says “In regard to concentrated solutions, many workers adopt a counsel of despair, confining their interest to concentrations below about 0.02 M, ... ” p. 302 Electrolyte Solutions (1959) Butterworths , also Dover (2002), emphasis added 3
  • 4. “It is still a fact that over the last decades, it was easier to fly to the moon than to describe the free energy of even the simplest salt solutions beyond a concentration of 0.1M or so.” Kunz, W. "Specific Ion Effects" World Scientific Singapore, 2009; p 11. Werner Kunz 4
  • 5. Electrolytes are Complex Fluids 5 After 690 pages and 2604 references, properties of SINGLE Ions are Elusive* because Every Ion Interacts with Everything *’elusive’ is in the authors’ choice in the title but emphasis is added Hünenberger & Reif (2011) “Single-Ion Solvation … Approaches to Elusive* Thermodynamic Quantities”
  • 6. Electrolytes are Complex Fluids 6 Treating a Complex Fluid as if it were a Simple Fluid will produce Elusive Results
  • 7. 7 Learned from Doug Henderson, J.-P. Hansen, Stuart Rice, among others…Thanks! Ions in a solution are a Highly Compressible Plasma Central Result of Physical Chemistry although the Solution is Incompressible Free energy of an ionic solution is mostly determined by the Number density of the ions. Density varies from 10-11 to 101M in typical biological system of proteins, nucleic acids, and channels.