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Information at the
point where it’s needed
makes all the difference.

“e-Patient Dave” deBronkart
Twitter: @ePatientDave
facebook.com/ePatientDave
LinkedIn.com/in/ePatientDave
dave@epatientdave.com
Social media
is like capillaries,
moving information
like a nutrient.
Social media is like capillaries,
moving information like a nutrient.
If you’re looking for
information in a “1.0” way
and it’s moving in 2.0 ways,
you won’t know what’s
happening.
Web 2.0: “When the web began to
harness the intelligence of its users.” –
Tim O’Reilly
Liquidity
transforms
what’s possible
because it
alters the availability
of a vital resource.
Not Liquid
•  Moving it takes effort
•  Slow and predictable
•  Unexplained arrivals
are suspicious

Liquid
•  Frictionless – controlling
the flow takes effort
•  Fast and unpredictable
•  “Tracks” everywhere, free
“Shift Index”
“We are shifting from a
world where the key
source of strategic
advantage was in
protecting and
extracting value
from a given set of
knowledge stocks ...
“Shift Index”
“...into a world in which the
focus of value creation
is effective participation
in knowledge flows.”
–Thomas Friedman
Pulitzer prize winner (3x)

New York Times
January 19, 2010
What could be
more patient-centered
than your child’s doctor
not being ten years
out of date?
Physician adoption of new
practices years after discovery
The “17 years” thing
From A. Balas, Institute of Medicine, in Yearbook of Medical Informatics 2000

Flu vaccine, year 32:
55% doing it,
45% still not
Beta blockers, year 18:
62% doing it,
38% still not
Cholesterol, year 16:
65% doing it,
35% still not
Diabetic foot care, year 7:
20% doing it,
80% still not

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The Fourth Paradigm on years to
disseminate new medical knowledge

Scurvy!
264!
years!!
h

Scurvy!

oft

264!
years!!
Dr. Lindberg:

400 years

If I read two journal articles every night,
at the end of a year I’d be 400 years behind.

It’s not humanly possible to keep up.
The lethal lag time:
2-5 years
The time it takes after successful research is completed
before publication is completed and the article’s been read.

During this time,
people who might have benefitted can die.
Patients have all the time in the world
to look for such things.
Death by Googling:
Not.

(Dr. Gunther Eysenbach, Europe: 0 deaths found in a three year search)

Compare with

To Err is Human

(98,000 deaths/yr

Nov 1999)
Physician as trusted authority
“The oft-expressed
fear that patients are
using the internet to
self-diagnose and selfmedicate without
reference to medical
professionals does not
emerge in national
phone surveys or in
this special raredisease community
survey.”
“There’s crap on the internet.
We need to get out there and
balance it”
Wendy Sue Swanson, MD
Mother & pediatrician

@SeattleMamaDoc
Facebook too
An OB/Gyn on social media??

@MacObGyn

•  “The more info we push out, the better decisions they make”
•  “We’ve taken a demographic group and through connected
technology they’re engaged in their health”
•  “Our patients tell their friends – ‘and he’s on Facebook’”
Patients know
what patients want
to know.
Sugata Mitra (TED Prize):
Self-organized
learning environments
Will we ever see
Self-organized
patient environments?
Not Liquid
•  Moving it takes effort
•  Slow and predictable
•  Unexplained arrivals
are suspicious

Liquid
•  Frictionless – controlling
the flow takes effort
•  Fast and unpredictable
•  “Tracks” everywhere, free
Physician is still the trusted
authority (Susannah Fox, Pew Research)
“The oft-expressed
fear that patients are
using the internet to
self-diagnose and selfmedicate without
reference to medical
professionals does not
emerge in national
phone surveys or in
this special raredisease community
survey.”
My favorite
complaint about
patient engagement:
“Patients are the only
ones who don’t have
any skin in the game”
– Practice manager, quoted in
Health Leaders, Fall 2011
What happens
when a consumer
tries to be responsible
about costs?
The choices they offered
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I know – run some scenarios!
=IF(maxoop<J17+J18,maxoop,J17+J18)
I know – graph it!
Insurer actuaries
have this picture.
Patients don’t.
That’s called
information asymmetry
(an advantage in war)
People perform better
when they’re
informed better.
It’s perverse
to keep people
in the dark
and call them ignorant
Speaking of
skin in the game…
“How much will this cost me?”
Hospital: “We don’t know – ask
your insurance.”
Insurance: “We don’t know –
ask your hospital.”
So I did what empowered
buyers do dave.pt/skincancerRFP
Of course,
I got no responses
to my RFP.
So I spent months calling
around and asking “What will
show up on the bill?”
So at TEDMED, this guy irked
the crap out of me:
Him:
“Patients spend 10x more time
choosing a TV
than choosing healthcare”
[Me:
Dude! There’s no info
for patients to research!]
Punch line:
When I was shopping,
his lab was one of the ones
who said
“We don’t know”!
Fix that,THEN we’ll see
what patients do.
Information at the
point where it’s needed
makes all the difference.

“e-Patient Dave” deBronkart
Twitter: @ePatientDave
facebook.com/ePatientDave
LinkedIn.com/in/ePatientDave
dave@epatientdave.com

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Brookings Institute social media panel, Feb 2014

  • 1. Information at the point where it’s needed makes all the difference. “e-Patient Dave” deBronkart Twitter: @ePatientDave facebook.com/ePatientDave LinkedIn.com/in/ePatientDave dave@epatientdave.com
  • 2. Social media is like capillaries, moving information like a nutrient.
  • 3. Social media is like capillaries, moving information like a nutrient.
  • 4. If you’re looking for information in a “1.0” way and it’s moving in 2.0 ways, you won’t know what’s happening.
  • 5. Web 2.0: “When the web began to harness the intelligence of its users.” – Tim O’Reilly
  • 6. Liquidity transforms what’s possible because it alters the availability of a vital resource.
  • 7. Not Liquid •  Moving it takes effort •  Slow and predictable •  Unexplained arrivals are suspicious Liquid •  Frictionless – controlling the flow takes effort •  Fast and unpredictable •  “Tracks” everywhere, free
  • 8.
  • 9. “Shift Index” “We are shifting from a world where the key source of strategic advantage was in protecting and extracting value from a given set of knowledge stocks ...
  • 10. “Shift Index” “...into a world in which the focus of value creation is effective participation in knowledge flows.” –Thomas Friedman Pulitzer prize winner (3x) New York Times January 19, 2010
  • 11. What could be more patient-centered than your child’s doctor not being ten years out of date?
  • 12. Physician adoption of new practices years after discovery The “17 years” thing From A. Balas, Institute of Medicine, in Yearbook of Medical Informatics 2000 Flu vaccine, year 32: 55% doing it, 45% still not Beta blockers, year 18: 62% doing it, 38% still not Cholesterol, year 16: 65% doing it, 35% still not Diabetic foot care, year 7: 20% doing it, 80% still not Creative Commons Attribution / Share-Alike May be distributed with this license included
  • 13. The Fourth Paradigm on years to disseminate new medical knowledge Scurvy! 264! years!!
  • 15. Dr. Lindberg: 400 years If I read two journal articles every night, at the end of a year I’d be 400 years behind. It’s not humanly possible to keep up.
  • 16. The lethal lag time: 2-5 years The time it takes after successful research is completed before publication is completed and the article’s been read. During this time, people who might have benefitted can die. Patients have all the time in the world to look for such things.
  • 17. Death by Googling: Not. (Dr. Gunther Eysenbach, Europe: 0 deaths found in a three year search) Compare with To Err is Human (98,000 deaths/yr Nov 1999)
  • 18. Physician as trusted authority “The oft-expressed fear that patients are using the internet to self-diagnose and selfmedicate without reference to medical professionals does not emerge in national phone surveys or in this special raredisease community survey.”
  • 19. “There’s crap on the internet. We need to get out there and balance it” Wendy Sue Swanson, MD Mother & pediatrician @SeattleMamaDoc Facebook too
  • 20. An OB/Gyn on social media?? @MacObGyn •  “The more info we push out, the better decisions they make” •  “We’ve taken a demographic group and through connected technology they’re engaged in their health” •  “Our patients tell their friends – ‘and he’s on Facebook’”
  • 22. Sugata Mitra (TED Prize): Self-organized learning environments
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  • 26. Not Liquid •  Moving it takes effort •  Slow and predictable •  Unexplained arrivals are suspicious Liquid •  Frictionless – controlling the flow takes effort •  Fast and unpredictable •  “Tracks” everywhere, free
  • 27. Physician is still the trusted authority (Susannah Fox, Pew Research) “The oft-expressed fear that patients are using the internet to self-diagnose and selfmedicate without reference to medical professionals does not emerge in national phone surveys or in this special raredisease community survey.”
  • 29. “Patients are the only ones who don’t have any skin in the game” – Practice manager, quoted in Health Leaders, Fall 2011
  • 30. What happens when a consumer tries to be responsible about costs?
  • 31. The choices they offered Premium' ' Deduc+ble' ' Co0pay' a4er'' deduc+ble' Max'OOP'' Stop0loss'max' (deduc+ble'' (in0network'+' +'co0pay)' out)' Op#on&A& $894&& $1,000&& 20%& $3,500&& $12,500&& Op#on&B& $705&& $2,500&& 20%& $5,000&& $12,500&& Op#on&C& $581&& $5,000&& 20%& $7,500&& $12,500&& Op#on&D& $495&& $10,000&& 0%& $10,000&& n/a& Op#on&H& $624&& $5,950&& 0%& $5,950&& $12,500&&
  • 32. I know – run some scenarios!
  • 34. I know – graph it!
  • 35. Insurer actuaries have this picture. Patients don’t. That’s called information asymmetry (an advantage in war)
  • 36. People perform better when they’re informed better.
  • 37. It’s perverse to keep people in the dark and call them ignorant
  • 38. Speaking of skin in the game…
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  • 40. “How much will this cost me?” Hospital: “We don’t know – ask your insurance.” Insurance: “We don’t know – ask your hospital.”
  • 41. So I did what empowered buyers do dave.pt/skincancerRFP
  • 42. Of course, I got no responses to my RFP. So I spent months calling around and asking “What will show up on the bill?”
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  • 44. So at TEDMED, this guy irked the crap out of me:
  • 45. Him: “Patients spend 10x more time choosing a TV than choosing healthcare” [Me: Dude! There’s no info for patients to research!]
  • 46. Punch line: When I was shopping, his lab was one of the ones who said “We don’t know”! Fix that,THEN we’ll see what patients do.
  • 47. Information at the point where it’s needed makes all the difference. “e-Patient Dave” deBronkart Twitter: @ePatientDave facebook.com/ePatientDave LinkedIn.com/in/ePatientDave dave@epatientdave.com