"Oh here's a new message I just got: 'get the fuck away from League and git gud fagboy,'" Will Debas...

1. How A Joke About Reddit Making An eSports Team Spiraled
Out Of Control
"Oh here's a new message I just got: 'get the fuck away from League and git gud fagboy,'" Will
Debassige said last night over Skype. He's been getting a lot of messages like that lately. And just a
week ago, before everyone on League of Legends subreddit seemed to hate him, nobody even knew
who he was.
What turned Debassige, seemingly overnight, into a subject of derision in the eyes of so many of the
hundreds of thousands of people who frequent League of Legends' massive Reddit community? A
joke that went too far.
One day last week while Debassige was on his lunch break, he wrote a short post and submitted it to
the League subreddit under his handle TitusBatiatus. "Hey Reddit," the subject line read, "let's buy a
team!" He told me that he intended it to be a one-off joke playing on the way that vocal League-
friendly Redditors often speak about the game's eSports matches and tournaments like backseat
coaches--griping about what a player or coach should have done in a situation.
"We're always making roster changes," he wrote in the post. "Since we're challenger I think we'd be
better off making a team than these know nothing people like Hotshot and Regi," referring to the
owners of Counter-Logic Gaming (CLG) and Team SoloMid (TSM) respectively, two of the top
League pro teams in North America. Then he spelled out the five steps it'd take to create a win the
annual League of Legends world championship:
CrowdfundBuy challenger teamHave some democratic voting to choose rosterName our team
something memeworthyWin worlds!"Team name ideas?" He concluded.
After that, Debassige told me, he went back to work. He didn't check Reddit again until that evening
while he was having dinner. Normally accustomed to receiving 5, maybe 10 comments on a Reddit

2. post before it disappeared into oblivion, Will was taken aback by the more than 300 messages he'd
amassed in his inbox over the past six hours.
"People seemed really interested," he said.
Debassige is a 20-year-old aspiring musician who works a day job at a Canadian telecommunications
company in his hometown of Vancouver. He's been passionate about competitive gaming and
eSports specifically since he started playing the original StarCraft ten years ago. It's easy to see how
someone with a strong interest--if only an amateur level of expertise--would easily get swept up by
the momentum of a Reddit post he authored suddenly going viral.
And that's just what happened: Will began corresponding with Bryce Blum, an eSports lawyer who's
well known on the League subreddit by his handle "esportslaw." With Blum's advice, he came up
with a rough estimate of $500,000 for the cost of actually creating and managing a team.
(Blum confirmed Debassige's narrative to me, though he said he couldn't remember the exact figure
they arrived at. "That being said, I can say that $500,000 is reasonable in my opinion, depending on
exactly what is going into that budget--how much staffing, where the house is, etc.," Blum told me
over Skype. "Hard to say for sure without seeing an actual budget put together.")
What began as a joke or a pie-in-the-sky dream any League of Legends enthusiast might have started
to seem like something that could actually happen. Or, at least, that's how Will saw it. He continued
to post on the League subreddit enthusiastically: speaking of future plans to crowdsource the
requisite funds, even starting a poll for forum-goers to vote on the name the team would ultimately
have. He ended up going with "Win Or Bench," or "W.O.B." for short. He said he liked that because
of the allusion to throbbing dubstep.
The curious thing about Will's fifteen minutes of Reddit fame to me isn't that he immediately leapt at
any opportunity to promote his work and argue against detractors. Rather, it's that the rest of the
League subreddit community actually took the breathless outpouring of ideas from an amateur
eSports fan seriously. By Will's own admission, he had no experience creating or maintain a
professional League of Legends team--let alone one that cost $500,000 to get off the ground.
Even though responses to the man's suggestions became increasingly skeptical and ultimately
hostile, his suggestion for a Reddit League of Legends team still managed to dominate a forum with
well over 650,000 subscribers for a solid week. Thread after thread bubbled up to the front page
asking if there was indeed a Reddit League team in the works. The moderators for the subreddit
contacted Debassige and requested he stop describing the nascent organization as the "official
Reddit team." They also weighed in publicly with a statement assuring forum-goers that the team
was not supported by the mods or affiliated with them in any way.
Others were much harsher in their feedback. Gnarsies, a well-known League YouTuber, called
Debassige out for running a scam operation--this in spite of the fact that Will hadn't actually created
a crowdfunding campaign on a site like Kickstarter or Indiegogo.
"I'm not sure what's up with this," Gnarsies wrote in a comment under Debassige's thread
announcing the W.O.B. team team. "But this 'Reddit Team' seems like it's a way to make a quick
buck off the subreddit."

3. "This smells like a huge scam," he reiterated. "Of course, if you fail to do anything with the
crowdfunder, the joke's one every of your backers. And that happened time and time again with
people with no standing/experience. Nothing more than Dank Memes and Broken Dreams."
Gnarsies, I should note, has been involved with almost all of the drama that's unfolded on the
League of Legends subreddit over the past few months. He famously called out a third-party product
heavily advertised by League YouTubers as being a snake oil product, then called out the subreddit's
moderating team for pulling a post on the subject. After that, he helped identify a cadre of
YouTubers who were colluding to promote each other's work and downvote competing work. All
these factors have helped solidify his recent reputation as a de facto watchdog in and around the
League of Legends subreddit. This gave his accusations against Debassige extra weight, even as
some of they become increasingly personal--calling him a failed musician and mocking him for
working at a fast food restaurant.
By the beginning of this week, Will had had enough. The idea for the League reddit team had soured,
too. More and more threads popped up indicting Debassige and anyone foolish enough to lend
financial support to his plan. Again: all this before any official crowdfunding campaign had been
revealed or gotten underway.
Blum published a YouTube video that effectively distanced himself from the team--at least to confirm
that he wasn't working with Debassige in any official capacity:
The next day, Will wrote one final post on the subreddit saying that he was stepping away from
W.O.B., and the idea of a Reddit-fueled eSports team entirely.
"I do think WOB is a beautiful idea and could be a lot of fun for the community," he wrote. "I hope
someone takes the initiative and goes forward with the team, like I was trying to do. However, at this
point it doesn't look like I can be a part of it anymore."
Speaking to Will, it's hard to stomach Gnarsies' characterization of him as a scammer. He's
infectiously charismatic and enthusiastic about League of Legends and eSports more generally, even
after receiving innumerable hostile messages and death threats over the past week. If he made any
mistake, he told me, it was in throwing around words like "official" too freely.
Gnarsies is less sympathetic.
"This entire thing to me reeks of a potential con job," Gnarsies told me in an email. "And after being
called out, he backpedaled, claiming that he doesn't want to be part of the project, but still wanted
to keep a 'small salary on the side,' and that he only suggested a crowdfunder, which is false,
because he said himself on Reddit that he was going to deposit an actual final proposal for a
crowdfunder during the week. It clearly wasn't just a suggestion and it was something that he
planned."
Will, for his part, insisted that he never intended to harbor any delusions of grandeur. Asking for "a
small salary on the side" was his way of giving himself credit for taking the initiative to try and get
the Reddit team up and running. As far contradicting himself in the way Gnarsies suggests, he sees
this as a problem stemming from how quickly the entire incident blew up in his face--forcing him to
try and figure things out as he went.

4. "There were a lot of issues of me saying I was going to be transparent, but then people wanted the
information immediately or as fast as possible," he said.
What convinced Debassige to step away from the whole ordeal as best he could was the sheer
volume of hate mail he was getting. Especially the death threats. While he wasn't scared for his life,
seeing his inbox pile up with people telling him all the ways they were going to kill him grew to be
exhausting.
"When someone sends me a paragraph about how I should kill myself and I'm the reason they
support the death penalty...while it's funny and I laughed at it, I also thought: what am I doing to get
this kind of message?" Will told me.
"It wasn't so much that he told me to kill myself, it was more like: why am I receiving this response?"
He attributes much of this aggressive to the inherent toxicity at play in the League community--a
culture that he think has left many people, like Gnarsies, with itchy trigger fingers.
"People just shit all over each other in this community," he said. "This community is very quick to
bash things...It's a bunch of angry kids sitting behind a computer and getting mad, or throwing
things out because it's the internet."
Debassige isn't harboring any ambitions of starting a team on his own anymore--and certainly not in
the way he tried to over the past week. But even though he's done with it, he still maintains that
W.O.B. is a good idea--even one that could come to fruition some day. Ultimately, what he regrets is
the lost opportunity he had to learn more about the inner workings of League's burgeoning eSports
scene.
"If it did become a big thing," Debassige said of W.O.B. at one point in our conversation, "then I'd
figure I'd be in a good position to be learning this management stuff as I go. That's how Reggie and
Hotshot did it."

5. "I was very passionate about the idea," he added, so I was sure that if I put in the time and hard
work, I could succeed."
Contact the author at yannick.lejacq@kotaku.com.
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