3. “Thou That Killest
The Prophets”
The Prophets”
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee”
- Jesus (Matt. 23:37)
4. “Thou That Killest
The Prophets”
The Prophets”
“...who both killed the Lord Jesus Christ and their
own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they
please not God” - 1 Thess. 2:13, 14
16. The ONE Question
“Could you please give me one example in the Bible
where God allowed a true prophet to insert errors
and pass them off as truth?”
17. Not One Example
in All Scripture
in All Scripture
•133 named prophets
•plus at least 626 unnamed prophets
•equals a total of at least 759 prophets in the Bible.
-Richard Baily, October, 2011
18. God Changes Not
“For I am the Lord, I change not”
-Malachi 3:6
Jesus Christ the same yesterday,
and to day, and for ever.
-Hebrews 13:8
19. “It was a great cross for me to relate to the erring
what had been shown me concerning them. It caused
me great distress to see others troubled or grieved.
And when obliged to declare the messages, I would
often soften them down, and make them appear as
favorable for the individual as I could, and then
would go by myself and weep in agony of spirit.”
-1T, p. 73
Ellen White Unfaithful?
• Avoided Conflict
• Watered it down at first
20. “It was a great cross for me to relate to the erring
what had been shown me concerning them. It caused
me great distress to see others troubled or grieved.
And when obliged to declare the messages, I would
often soften them down, and make them appear as
favorable for the individual as I could, and then
would go by myself and weep in agony of spirit.”
-1T, p. 73
Ellen White Unfaithful?
• Avoided Conflict
• Watered it down at first
21. Even the “Softer” Version
Resisted
“It was hard to relate the plain, cutting testimonies given me of God. I
anxiously watched the result, and if the persons reproved rose up
against the reproof, and afterward opposed the truth, these queries
would arise in my mind: Did I deliver the message just as I should?
Could there not have been some way to save them? And then such
distress pressed upon my soul that I often felt that death would be a
welcome messenger, and the grave a sweet resting place.”
-Testimonies, vol. 1, p. 73, 74
22. God’s Response
I did not realize the danger and sin of such a course,
until in vision I was taken into the presence of Jesus.
He looked upon me with a frown, and turned His face
from me. It is not possible to describe the terror and
agony I then felt. -Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 74
23. What the Bible
Says About
Prophets
“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the
fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son”
(Heb. 1:1, 2).
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take
heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day
star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is
of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of
man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2
Peter 1:21).
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for
reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Tim. 3:16)
24. What the Bible
Says About
Prophets
For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received
the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but
as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that
believe. (1 Thess. 2:13)
You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may
keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you. (Deut 4:2)
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is
because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)
25. What EGW
Says
About Herself
About Herself
"I speak that which I have seen, and which I know to be true." (Letter 4, 1896)
She claimed that she was told "In all your communications, speak as one to whom
the Lord has spoken. He is your authority." (Letter 186, 1902)
"Sister White is not the originator of these books. They contain the instruction
that during her lifework God has been giving her. They contain the precious,
comforting light, that God has graciously given His servant to be given to the
world." (CM 125)
26. Says
About Herself
About Herself
"I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are
what God has opened before me in vision--the precious rays of light shining from
the throne." (5T 67)
"Weak and trembling, I arose at three o'clock in the morning to write to you. God
was speaking through clay. You might say that this communication was only a
letter. Yes, it was a letter, but prompted by the Spirit of God, to bring before
your minds things that had been shown me. In these letters which I write, in the
testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to
me." (ST 67)
27. What EGW Says
About The Missing
Column
"God is either teaching His church, reproving their wrongs and strengthening
their faith, or He is not. This work is of God, or it is not. God does nothing in
partnership with Satan. My work... bears the stamp of God or the stamp of the
enemy. There is no halfway work in the matter. The Testimonies are of the
Spirit of God, or of the devil." (4T 230)
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28. What EGW Says
About The Missing
Column
"Many times in my experience I have been called upon to meet the attitude of a
certain class, who acknowledged that the testimonies were from God, but took
the position that this matter and that matter were Sister White's opinion and
judgment. This suits those who do not love reproof and correction, and who, if
their ideas were crossed, have occasion to explain the difference between the
human and the divine. If the preconceived opinions or particular ideas of some are
crossed in being reproved by testimonies, they have a burden at once to make
plain their position to discriminate between the testimonies, defining what is
Sister White's human judgment, and what is the word of the Lord. Everything
that sustains their cherished ideas is divine, and the testimonies to correct their
errors are human--Sister White's opinions." (Ms. 16, 1889)
29. What EGW Says
About The Missing
Column
"Do not by your criticisms take out all the force, all the point and power, from the
Testimonies. Do not feel that you can dissect them to suit your own ideas,
claiming that God has given you ability to discern what is light from heaven and
what is the expression of mere human wisdom. If the Testimonies speak not
according to the Word of God, reject them. Christ and Belial cannot be united."
(5T 691)
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30. What EGW Says
About The Missing
Column
"In the testimonies sent to __________ I have given you the light God has given
to me. In no case have I given my own judgment or opinion. I have enough to write
of what has been shown me, without falling back on my own opinions."
(Testimonies to Battle Creek Church, 1882, p.58)
"Permit me to express my mind, and yet not my mind, but the word of the Lord."
(CW 112)
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31. What EGW Says
About Withholding
Opinion
"I have no light on the subject [who would constitute the 144,000]. . Please tell my
brethren that I have nothing presented before me regarding the circumstances
concerning which they write, and I can set before them only that which has been
presented to me." (Quoted in a letter by C. C. Crisler to E. E. Andross, Dec.
8, 1914)
"I am not at liberty to write to our brethren concerning your future work. . I have
received no instruction regarding the place where you should locate... If the Lord
gives me definite instruction concerning you, I will give it you; but I cannot take
upon myself responsibilities that the Lord does not give me to bear." (Letter 96,
1909)
32. What EGW Says
About Withholding
Opinion
"This morning I attended a meeting where a select few were called together to
consider some questions that were presented to them by a letter soliciting
consideration and advice on these subjects. Of some of these subjects I could
speak, because at sundry times and in diverse places many things have been
presented to me... As my brethren read the selections from letters, I knew what to
say to them; for this matter has been presented to me again and again... I have not
felt at liberty to write out the matter until now." (Southern Work-pp. 97,98)
34. WHY They Slay
(or attempt to)
(or attempt to)
Noah: He predicted judgment for sins
Joseph: Message creates jealousy
Moses: Expected victory from God through them
Elijah: He opposed the apostate power
Ahab’s prophet (Micaiah): Never says what I want to
hear (1 Kings 22:8)
Daniel: Fidelity to God
Jeremiah: Predicted bad news they needed to hear
35. WHY They Slay
(or attempt to)
(or attempt to)
Jesus: Contrasted God’s way with theirs
John the Baptist: Pointed out sin
Stephen: Accepted Jesus
Peter: Preached Jesus
Paul: Preached Jesus
John: Preached Jesus
144,000: Keep the Commandments of God and the
Faith of Jesus
36. D.M. Canright and
EGW
He confessed freely that for years he had harbored in his heart bitter feelings toward Mrs. White
because of the testimonies he had received from her. Then in the company of a select few he
confessed this all to her and begged her forgiveness.
"You then humbled your heart," wrote Ellen White to Canright of this experience, "and upon your
knees asked me to forgive you for the things you had said about me and my work." And she reports,
"I freely forgave you, for it was not against me. None of these things were against me: I was
only a servant bearing the message God gave me."—Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 623.
In the Review and Herald he published an explanation. His problem, he stated, went back some
eleven years to the time he and Lucretia had received a testimony from Sister White, and they had
thought it too severe. This was in connection with their Colorado visit in 1873. Then, in 1879, he
had received another testimony. Again, he had been in Colorado with Elder White. Again he had
rejected the rebuke. -I Was Canright’s Secretary, p. 66 (Carrie Johnson)
Canright confessed to a hasty, harsh spirit in his work and went on to say:
I think that my disbelief of the testimonies and other truths has come by opening my heart to
doubts, cherishing them and magnifying them. . . .
Like Peter, I did not know myself till God left me to be tried. I feel greatly humbled under the
shameful failure I have made. . . .
-ibid, p. 67
38. Walter Martin’s Faulty
Conclusion
"After reading the publications of the Seventh-day
Adventist denomination and almost all the writings of
Ellen G. White, including her Testimonies, the writer
believes that Mrs. White was truly a regenerate Christian
woman who loved the Lord Jesus Christ and dedicated
herself unstintingly to the task of bearing witness for Him
as she felt led....
39. Walter Martin’s Faulty
Conclusion
“We must disagree with Mrs. White's interpretation of the
sanctuary, the investigative judgment, and the scapegoat;
we challenge her stress upon the Sabbath, health reform,
the unconscious state of the dead, and the final destruction
of the wicked, etc. But no one can dispute the fact that her
writings conform to the basic principles of the historic
Gospel, for they most certainly do....”
-The Truth About Seventh-day Adventism, p. 112
40. Walter Martin’s Faulty
Conclusion
“I am not saying we
are categorizing
Ellen White in the
biblical context of a
false prophet.”
True
Prophet
?
Good
Person
False
Prophet
41. Walter Martin’s Faulty
Conclusion
“I am not saying we
are categorizing Ellen
White in the biblical
context of a false
prophet.”
True
Prophet
?
Good
Person
False
Prophet
“Mrs. White, in my
opinion, made false
statements. She
misused what she
claimed was the
prophetic gift she
had.”
42. Walter Martin’s Faulty
Conclusion
“I am not saying we
are categorizing Ellen
White in the biblical
context of a false
prophet.”
True
Prophet
?
Good
Person
False
Prophet
“Mrs. White, in my
opinion, made false
statements. She
misused what she
claimed was the
prophetic gift she
had.”
“I thought some of Mrs. White's material was prophetic. I
felt some of her insights were extremely helpful and I
regarded her as a sister in the Lord.”
46. The Results of Casting
Seeds of Doubt
"It does not become anyone to drop a word of doubt here and there that shall
work like poison in other minds, shaking their confidence in the messages which
God has given, which have aided in laying the foundation of this work, and have
attended it to the present day, in reproofs, warnings, corrections, and
encouragements. To all who have stood in the way of the Testimonies, I would
say, God has given a message to His people, and His voice will be heard,
whether you hear or forbear. Your opposition has not hindered me; but you must
give an account to the God of heaven, who has sent these warnings and
instructions to keep His people in the right way. You will have to answer to Him
for your blindness, for being a stumbling block in the way of sinners." (1 SM 43)
47. The Results of Casting
Seeds of Doubt
"I saw the state of some who stood on present truth, but disregarded the
visions,--the way God had chosen to teach in some cases, those who erred from
Bible truth. I saw that in striking against the visions they did not strike against the
worm--the feeble instrument that God spake through--but against the Holy
Ghost. I saw it was a small thing to speak against the instrument, but it was
dangerous to slight the words of God. I saw if they were in error and God chose
to show them their errors through visions, and they disregarded the teachings of
God through visions, they would be left to take their own way, and run in the way
of error, and think they were right, until they would find it out too late." (1 SM
40)
48. The “Very Last
Deception of Satan”
"The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none
effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. ‘Where there is
no vision, the people perish’ (Proverbs 29:18). Satan will
work ingeniously, in different ways and through different
agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant
people in the true testimony." (Maranatha, p. 158 [LDE
77])
49. To “Make of None
Effect” is Not to Reject
"...a certain class, who acknowledged that the testimonies
were from God, but took the position that this matter and
that matter were Sister White's opinion and judgment...
Everything that sustains their cherished ideas is divine, and
the testimonies to correct their errors are human--Sister
White's opinions. They make of none effect the counsel of
God by their tradition"
--Manuscript 16, 1889
50. Helping the Devil’s Deception
“Those who have helped souls to feel at liberty to specify what is
of God in the Testimonies and what are the uninspired words of
Sister White, will find that they were helping the devil in his work
of deception.”
--Letter 28, 1906. (3SM, p. 70)
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51. Demons Choosing for
Us
"I have my work to do, to meet the misconceptions of
those who suppose themselves able to say what is
testimony from God and what is human production. If
those who have done this work continue in this course,
satanic agencies will choose for them.” --Letter 28,
1906. (3SM, p. 70)
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