Opportunities: Details of a new role with Tech City UK on Digital Skills Hackney Learning Trust offer to connect schools to run Edtech pilots Forward The Edtech Podcast content calendar and how you can get involved Content: BESA’s Efficacy in EdTech: What’s the Evidence? debate, recorded at the Houses of Parliament with Professor Rose Luckin, UCL Knowledge Lab, Institute of Education Brigitte Ricou-Bellan, MD Digital, TES Global Ltd Andy Moss, Head of UK, Pearson Mike Mompi, Director of Early Stage Investment, ClearlySo. Caroline Wright, Director General, BESA. Chair: Danny Kinahan MP and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Education Questions raised: Inconsistencies in measuring efficacy What is outside efficacious measurement How do investors, Government, schools and parents view efficacy? TES and Pearson efficacy case studies and outcomes How to approach efficacy if you company is still in start-up phase and not yet commercial How to create the ‘clear blue water’ through independent research

1. #36 Efficacy in Edtech - with Pearson, BESA, TES, UCL
& ClearlySo
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TX: October 2016
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Opportunities:
Details of a new role with Tech City UK on Digital Skills
Hackney Learning Trust offer to connect schools to run Edtech pilots
Forward The Edtech Podcast content calendar and how you can get involved
Content:
BESA’s Efficacy in EdTech: What’s the Evidence? debate, recorded at the Houses of Parliament with
Professor Rose Luckin, UCL Knowledge Lab, Institute of Education
Brigitte Ricou-Bellan, MD Digital, TES Global Ltd
Andy Moss, Head of UK, Pearson
Mike Mompi, Director of Early Stage Investment, ClearlySo.
Caroline Wright, Director General, BESA.
Chair: Danny Kinahan MP and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Education
Questions raised:
Inconsistencies in measuring efficacy
What is outside efficacious measurement
How do investors, Government, schools and parents view efficacy?
TES and Pearson efficacy case studies and outcomes
How to approach efficacy if you company is still in start-up phase and not yet commercial
How to create the ‘clear blue water’ through independent research

5. SAMPLE QUOTES
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Danny Kinahan MP
https://twitter.com/DdeBK
https://twitter.com/APPGEducation
'When it comes to technology and learning, for me, it was the board duster being thrown at me - wake up Kinahan.’
‘Keep firing questions at us’
Caroline Wright
https://twitter.com/CJPWright
https://twitter.com/besatweet
'With government they are very very keen to see efficacy used in schools’
'Schools want the biggest bang for their buck, they want to see impact.'
'The issue we have at the moment, the way research is being carried out it’s not apples and apples.’
‘Guidance from the experts - what does it look like?’
'If we crack it; we can probably export it.’
‘We have companies who think marketing is efficacy.’
Mike Mompi
https://twitter.com/MikeMompi
‘There are different ways to think about efficacy’
‘Tech is not a solution; tech is a tool.’
'If people don’t use it, it’s ineffective.’

6. SAMPLE QUOTES
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Professor Rose Luckin, UCL Knowledge Lab, Institute of
Education
https://twitter.com/Knowldgillusion
‘I’m involved in developing education technology’
‘I can show you good evidence…IF the context is right.’
‘I suspect what they are after is actually more generic.’ On
government
‘There are WAY too many variables’
‘We have to demonstrate efficacy in some way…’
‘What we really need to know is - who? is it children on school meals,
is it teachers? We have to have that specific information.’
'China is investing big time in Wdtech.'
‘We are so IGNorant on this and i am scared.’ on AI and privacy and
data
Brigitte Ricou-Bellan, MD Digital, TES Global Ltd
https://twitter.com/globalbribri
On Stanford university: ’Three professors were really fascinated by
the size of our marketplace’
’75% of teachers told us that they were better teachers through using
the community and peer to peer learning’
‘making the space to teach.’
‘It’s still work in progress in many ways.'
Andy Moss, Head of UK, Pearson
https://twitter.com/andymoss10
https://twitter.com/Pearson_UK
‘Our mission is to help learners make measurable progress in their
lives through learning.’
‘To me, those two words measurable and progress our core to the
discussion on efficacy’
‘We care very much about this concept of efficacy.’
‘We are investing very heavily in technology’
‘We spend around a billion dollars each year in product development
and research.’
‘Technology is not a panacea.’
‘Great teachers and great learning start with great teachers.’
‘We do have some evidence'
‘We’ve made a commitment - we will report efficacy data on our
products and services.’
‘Teachers are teaching kids that were born digital.’ - really?
‘We are very clear that we haven’t got all the answers at all.’
‘There have been people who say it’s a cynical marketing ploy.'

7. REFERENCES
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News:
Web Summit drinks: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-
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uploads/2016/10/DigitalSkillsContentManager.pdf
Contact me about future episodes and advertising:
theedtechpodcast@gmail.com
Content:
Renaissance Learning : https://twitter.com/RenLearn_UK
Pearson Bug Club: http://
assets.pearsonglobalschools.com/asset_mgr/current/
201642/V827_Bug_Club_Infographic.pdf
Sir Michael Barber Pearson Efficacy Guide: https://
efficacy.pearson.com/content/dam/corporate/global/
efficacy/files/the-incomplete-guide-to-delivering-learning-
outcomes.pdf
Stanford university: https://twitter.com/Stanford
Mozilla: https://twitter.com/mozilla
https://twitter.com/EduKitters
https://twitter.com/UfiTrust
https://twitter.com/teachBTEC
https://twitter.com/JustineGreening
https://twitter.com/suttontrust
Questions:
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https://twitter.com/Becky_sage
https://twitter.com/lijiukcn
https://twitter.com/pluminnovaz
https://twitter.com/JenLexmond
https://twitter.com/easypeasyapp
https://twitter.com/i_gvs
https://twitter.com/vipulbhargava .
https://twitter.com/DiscoveryEdUk
https://twitter.com/RichardMale
https://twitter.com/Corsham_Inst
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