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          IT’S NOT A

       JOB
     IT’S MY
     LIFE
            A CLOSER LOOK
      AT EXECUTIVE PASTOR,
       JOSEPH C. ROBINSON




      By Tamaya Petteway                                         riginally, when our Editor asked me to
                               interview the City of Refuge Executive Pastor, the interview was slated
                               to be a brief profile. Unexpectedly, so much information was commu-
                               nicated during the interview, that not only did it take four mini cassettes
                               and half a notebook to capture all the commentary, but the informa-
                               tion was so in depth, that an article seemed to write itself. It w like the
                                                                                                 as
                               assignment was to write a book report, but the professor gave a lecture
                               that was so informative, I accidentally wrote a term paper. (Or, maybe
                               it was just because Pastor Joe talked too much!) Either way, we realized
                               that not only was an article fitting, but the information reveled was so




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                               superfluous, it was necessary to split it into two parts.




                   I hope you gain significant insight, and a better understanding
                   of the person in Pastor Joseph C. Robinson.

                               I invite you to share in Part I of It’s Not a Job. It’s my Life. I hope that
                               you will gain significant insight, and a better understanding of the
                               person in Pastor Joseph C. Robinson, and its transparency allows you




                                                                                                                  Photograph By Nicola Goode
                               to feel as if you were there, listening and witnessing for yourself.
                               —Tamaya Petteway




40   INSIDE THE CITY   SPRING/SUMMER 2006
LOS ANGELES, CA, 8:15am—It’s a breath-         the last person to file an application              the African Methodist Episcopal or             point, I was pretty cynical about the
taking morning in December. Contrary to        would be the person selected for the                A.M.E. Church) preached when I was             whole thing, as I could not separate godly
the 37-degree temperature in Joseph            position, and even more surprisingly,               11 years old. The sermon was called “A         judgment from a self-serving decision of
Robinson’s hometown of Brooklyn NY,            no one imagined that the person who                 Saga Of Sterling Stability,” and I still       a man with a clergy collar on. Due to the
the morning is equivalent to that of           was selected, had a completely different            remember today how those words                 constant moving, I really think I was
summer. A car pulls up to the valet, and       background than anyone expected.                    transformed that atmosphere way                robbed of so much of my childhood, as
out steps a tall figure. “Pastor Joe,” as we     Born a third generation preacher,                 back then. I think I was always trans-         we never knew if the Bishop was going to
fondly call him, arrives on time, main-        Joseph Carlos Robinson, knew early on               fixed by words, even before I realized         move us at the next church meeting! But
taining a low profile under a bucket           that ministry was his inborn destiny. He            I had been called to the ministry.”            again, that profound disappointment
‘Kangol’ hat, wearing brown from head to       grew up with an affinity for ministry, and             Although Pastor Joe has many affec-         taught me a lot about people. It's funny, I
toe, enriched by an earth toned multi-         had a particular love for preachers, many           tionate memories of his childhood, and         have 3 brothers, and although we all grew
color blazer. He quickly waves, and                                                                                                               up AME, one is now a United Methodist,
perambulates with a swagger of confi-
dence and zeal. He is a morning person,        “BOTH ANDMYTHINK I GOT THE IMPETUS TO IMPROVE
                                               LIVES,
                                                      OF
                                                         I
                                                           PARENTS LEFT THE SOUTH FOR BETTER                                                      one was a Muslim, and now I'm a
                                                                                                                                                  Pentecostal. So perhaps that is what we
who typically begins his day at 5am, so as
he approaches, he’s bringing a full signal     MYSELF FROM BOTH OF THEM.”                                                                         think of the whole enterprise.”
                                                                                                                                                     Because of his parents’ background
of energy to the quiet atmosphere. “God                                                                                                           with the AME Church, Pastor Joe received
Bless You,” he says ceremoniously, and         of whom were defining figures in his                wouldn’t trade his upbringing for the          a broad exposure to the things of God and
marvels for a while at the style and décor     community. “I grew up loving church,                world, growing up a preacher’s child in        the Spirit, which influenced his develop-
of the place before taking a seat. Since I’m   and loving preachers. “I loved church,”             the AME community wasn’t always fun            ment as child. He also grew up with an
certain that he has never experienced a        he says delightfully. He began to recall            and games. In fact, there were multiple        emphasis being placed on education,
December so nice on the east coast, we         fond memories, such as being kissed each            challenges he and his family had to deal       community, and political involvement,
chat for a little bit about the similarities   week by a particular church mother who              with in his early years. “In the AME           which he considers genetic to the person
and differences between New York and           had a mustache, loving to eat pound cake            Church, pastors are assigned by Bishops,       he is today. “I was blessed with great
Los Angeles living. After I share my           that wasn’t completely cooked at church             with minimal involvement of the                parents,” he says while smiling. “They are
opinion, he brings the conversation to a       receptions, and being enthralled with               churches themselves and almost no input        both radicals who both decided to devote
humorous halt, by delivering one of his        trying to figure out which soprano was              from the pastors or their families. The        their lives to raising their children. My
signature replies, reminiscent of other        dating which tenor. He laughs, and                  logic behind this is that the Bishop is to     mother was a career woman before that
clever antidotes he’s known for. “This is      begins to remember how he and his                   exercise godly judgment in deciding            was vogue. Back in the 60’s, she worked
incredible,” he says, as he surveys the        younger brother Jason would “play”                  which pastor fits best with which church.      for the FAA as an accountant before
landscape. “If you would have told me          church. “My father would wear a robe                Sometimes this works, sometimes it             deciding to marry a preacher. She has
this time last year I’d be sitting in 70       every Sunday, and a guy named Bro.                  doesn't. I still haven't figured out what      quite a mind, and was the glue that held
degree weather being interviewed as the        Smith would follow him around with a                godly judgment is, and as you can              our family together. She use to read the
Executive Pastor of the City of Refuge, I      handkerchief. So, me and my little                  imagine the godliness of the judgment          Atlantic Monthly magazine when I was
would have told you that you were
crazy!” As he thinks about his reply, he
                                               brother… he would follow me around…
                                               and I’d be preaching…
                                                                                                   varies, according to the godliness of the
                                                                                                                      Bishop.” As a result,
                                                                                                                                                  like 5 or 6, and is an intense intellectual
                                                                                                                                                  with a keen eye into human motivation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                “I am grateful for my diverse
literally becomes overwhelmed with             we’d get the Holy                                                      Pastor Joe and his
laughter for a brief moment, and an            Ghost… jumping all                                                     family moved to 8
                                                                                                                                                  She is the pragmatist of the house. My        background. I grew up AME,
                                                                                                                                                  Father is the prophet-poet. He is has an
extensive interview immediately begins.        over the bed!” He                                                      different places, before    infectious sense of humor, and genuinely
                                               laughs. “I have always                                                 he was 18 years old. “I     loves people. He would quote lines from
                                                                                                                                                                                                went to a Catholic elementary
                                               just loved church! I                                                   remember one instance       Plato and was always talking about
THE JOURNEY TO THE DESTINATION                 have always loved                                                      where I felt as though      Socrates drinking hemlock for standing        school, attended a high school
In the winter of 2005, the City of Refuge      preachers, was fasci-                                                  my father was treated       up against injustice. I have a picture of
church bulletins included an ad adver-         nated with the power                                                   particularly     harshly.   him marching in the street during the civil   run by Franciscan monks, went
tising that the church administration          of words, and how                                                      The effect of this          rights movement in the 1960’s. Both of
was searching for an Executive Pastor.         they     can    inspire                                                particular move was
Applications from around the country           people to live better                                                  wrenching on my
                                                                                                                                                  my parents left the South for better          to a Baptist college, and now I'm
                                                                                                                                                  lives, and I think I got the impetus to
poured in, as interested men and               lives.” He becomes                                                     family, in every sense of   improve myself from both of them.
women from across the denomina-                more serious as he                                                     that word. I simply         They really did a good job of protecting
                                                                                                                                                                                                serving an apostolic church. It’s
tional spectrum rushed at the opportu-         continues in reflec-                                                   could not believe that      us from the madness of things.”
nity to be a part of one of the greatest       tion. “ I remember a                                                   he accepted it as "God's       Pastor Joe also shared many positive       apparent that God was
ministries of our generation, and to           eulogy that Bishop                                                     will" expressed through     elements of growing up in the AME
work for our legendary leader, Bishop          Frank Madison Reid                                                     the godly judgment of       Church, beginning with amazing travel         preparing me for something.”
Noel Jones. Little did anyone know that        (a one-time Bishop in                                                  the Bishop. After that      experiences he had the opportunity to
                                                                         JOSEPH ROBINSON, AGE 8.




42   INSIDE THE CITY    SPRING/SUMMER 2006                                                                                                                                                                                 SPRING/SUMMER 2006   INSIDE THE CITY   43
embark upon early in life. “Because every                                                                                                                                                                             New York. He got married that same             about their new all-star player. Strike
AME church is connected to every other                                                                                                                                                                                summer, and became the pastor at Allen         One…when he was assigned, he wasn’t
AME church, I got the chance to travel the                                                                                                                                                                            Chapel AME Church in Hartford,                 even pastoring a church at the time, and
world, preaching and doing mission                                                                                                                                                                                    Connecticut. “The church was smaller           was now assigned to a church which was
work at a very young age. I remember                                                                                                                                                                                  than this room, and it was really chal-        a marquee pulpit within the AME
preaching a revival in South Africa when                                                                                                                                                                              lenging. On my first Sunday, I actually        denomination. “Many people thought
I was 21 years old because the AME                                                                                                                                                                                    drove by the church it was so small!           that they deserved that church, and could
church has been in South Africa since the                                                                                                                                                                             Then, when I went into the church, there       not believe a neophyte like me was
early 1900s. So I was exposed to a lot of                                                                                                                                                                             were only about 14 people inside, and 10       assigned.” Strike Two…He was only 30 yrs
different environments, and literally have                                                                                                                                                                            of them came with me!” He laughs as he         old, and considerably younger than most
been all over the world.” He continues by                                                                                                                                                                             recalls the memory. “ But I appreciate the     pastors there. “When I got off the plane
sharing several positive aspects relating to                                                                                                                                                                          experience, because the Bible says, ‘Don’t     and met the chairman of my board, the
                                                PASTOR JOE AT THE 2005 HOMECOMING WEEKEND WORSHIP SERVICE WITH SON MALACHI, MOREHOUSE PRESIDENT, DR. WALTER MASSEY,   PASTOR JOE PREACHING AT ST. JAMES AME CHURCH,
scholastic achievement and being active         WIFE SHIRLEY MASSEY, AND DR. LAWRENCE E. CARTER DEAN OF MARTIN LUTHER KING INTERNATIONAL CHAPEL.                      IN ST. LOUIS MISSOURI.                          despise the days of small beginnings.”         first thing he said to me was…how you
in the community as well. “The AME                                                                                                                                                                                    Pastor Joe later worked in the Strategy        gonna be my pastor? I got grandchildren
church has always emphasized education          tially, Richard Allen (the founder) walked                 “In any event, I am happy to be in a place                 gift was birthed. His last year of high         Consultant Practice of Cap Gemini Ernst        older than you!” Strike Three…his style of
and community involvement, so my                out a Methodist church in Philadelphia                     where we preach and seek to live out of                    school, he traveled around the world            and Young where he had the opportunity         ministry was utterly aberrant from the
interest in those things are almost             because the white parishioners would                       the fullness of Christ, and not the acci-                  preaching, and on April 13, 1987, he            to travel all over the world, building         norm, and to add insult to injury, his
genetic. AMEs are adamant about                 not let him pray. Thus, the primary                        dental, temporal preoccupations of                         preached his first trial sermon. Although       websites and performing strategic              personal style was a little too contempo-
academic preparation. In fact, the first        impetus for his leaving was racial                         denominations. We are living in a post-                    he received a full undergraduate scholar-       analysis for Fortune 500 companies,            rary for the environment. “I wore
black college in America was Wilberforce        discrimination, not doctrinal disagree-                    denomination age, where people really                      ship to a prestigious Ivy League univer-        while also securing his MBA from the           Timberlands and Sean John sweat suits in
University in Ohio, which was founded           ment. If you read the doctrinal statement                  don’t care where you came from, but                        sity, he was propositioned by a mentor to       University of Connecticut in Marketing         the pulpit! Of course, the young people
by the AME Bishop Daniel Alexander              of the AME Church, it is essentially no                    whether or not you are seeking to live out                 visit Morehouse College in Atlanta,             and International Business.                    loved it! The church was packed, but many
Payne in 1856, and you must go to               different from the doctrine of the                         biblical Christianity. I am grateful for my                Georgia. After one visit to the campus for        In the year of 2000, Bishop John             of the older members, older preachers in
school to be ordained as a minister.            Methodist church that Allen left, which                    diverse background. I grew up AME, went                    a Perspective Student Seminar, his mind         Bryant, was head of an AME region, and         town, and more traditional AMES thought
That's why my father left the Baptist           means that the church, at its core, is an                  to a Catholic elementary school, attended a                was instantly made up. “It was over! I was      asked Pastor Joe to join the region. He        it was blasphemy.” With 3 strikes against
Church. He did not want to be a jackleg         expression of protest against racism. I                    high school run by Franciscan monks, went                  like…I’m going here!” he says with exhil-       agreed, because he knew the district           him immediately, whether called fairly or
preacher, (a traditional label for a            found this core identity to be somewhat                    to a Baptist college, and now I'm serving an               aration in his voice. At the time, his          included California, where Pastor Joe had      not, he didn’t quite help things with his
preacher who has no formal training.)           problematic, and in my view, a lot of                      apostolic church. It’s apparent that God was               parents, family friends, and other              aspirations of going. Instead, Bishop          innate penchant for being outspoken.
Another benefit of growing up AME is            contemporary churches suffer from the                      preparing me for something.”                               mentors were adamantly against the idea         Bryant had St. Louis in mind. So for              As he continues to reflect, it became
they have a rule for everything...hence         fact that they are committed to social                       Pastor Joe didn’t grow up in a very strict               of him attending Morehouse because it           about 3 months, he commuted back and           quite evident that living in St. Louis was
METHODIST! They have a method for               protest more than they are to a relation-                  environment, as his parents wanted to                      was a “black school.” Pastor Joe shared
everything. They teach you the impor-           ship with God, or they understand a rela-                  cultivate an awareness of life beyond the                  the reason why it was such a big issue.
tance of order, rules, processes, proce-
dures, etc. Then finally, I think I learned a
                                                tionship with God in terms of social
                                                protest only! At the end of the day, all
                                                                                                           church, and therefore, encouraged him to
                                                                                                           define himself outside of church. “I think
                                                                                                                                                                      “Many of them felt as though I would be
                                                                                                                                                                      limiting my future options. My parents          “GOD MOVED INHAPPEN WITHOUT A REMARKABLE WAY,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BUT IT DID NOT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     THAT MINISTRY IN
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      MANY TEARS.”
lot about the importance of tradition.          denominations are a response to what                       because my father was a PK (preacher’s                     told me that they went to black schools
There is a difference in being traditional,     someone has discovered, or maybe redis-                    kid), he had a keen appreciation of how                    because they had to, and if I had a choice,
and understanding the importance of             covered, about God. Luther rediscovered                    far to the left you can go if you’re not                   I should go to a place where my gifts           forth between St. Louis, New York, and         more than a rocky road, or a tumultuous
tradition. I was taught all the old hymns       justification by faith. Calvin rediscovered                careful. So there really was no pressure to                could really shine. I just felt that that       Chicago, as he had intentions of keeping       time. With all that he was experiencing, it
and the creeds of the church, and no one        predestination. Wesley rediscovered sanc-                  do or be anything.” Due to the freedom                     place was Morehouse.”                           his jobs, and not preaching full time. He      was like his life transformed into a
can do "high church" like AMEs! He              tification.     Seymour       rediscovered                 he experienced in his upbringing, Pastor                      After graduating from Morehouse with         would soon find out that this wasn’t           penumbra, somewhere between exis-
begins to laugh. “I mean the pipe organ,        speaking in tongues. Once you can set                      Joe initially had dreams of being a physi-                 honors, Pastor Joe received the Benjamin        possible. Despite his dynamic degrees,         tence and oblivion. “Howard Thurmond,
the liturgy, the regalia. It's almost           your denomination in right context, it                     cian, a fashion model, a basketball                        Elijah Mays Fellowship to attend grad           ivy-league education, lucrative positions      a very influential African American writer
Catholic, which of course is the Anglican       loses much of its power to control you.”                   player, or more excitingly, he would                       school at Harvard University, where he          and prolific preaching experiences, what       once said, ‘The challenge of life is to
influences on early Methodists. I heard         Abruptly, Pastor Joe stopped speaking,                     pursue a career in rap music, as he was                    studied patristic exegesis. He then went to     came next was incalculable.                    remain true in darkness to what you’ve
Donnie McClurkin once say that all of           and began to stare into space as if he was                 recognized on the block, as “Almighty J-                   work for his mentor Rev. Floyd Flake,             Interrupting a lucrative lifestyle, St.      seen in the light’. St. Louis challenged
that old stuff teaches you to reverence the     pondering his thoughts. He pauses for a                    Love” with the Triple Threat MC’s, known                   who was at that time, a Congressman             Louis was incongruous for him. “If there       every fiber of my being.” He began to give
mystery of God, and I think that is true.”      quick moment, then finally, he                             to drop a rhyme or two, at neighborhood                    representing the 6th Congressional              was ever a time God confirmed my               examples, and by the time he finished I
   But however much, Pastor Joe appreci-        continued to reflect. “I used to argue                     house parties. But regardless of his other                 District in New York. He worked as a            calling, it was there. The environment         was intrigued, but experienced a
ates his background, and is thankful that       with people all the time that what really                  interests, nothing interested him like                     legislative assistant, and in Public            was hostile like you can’t imagine,” he        poignant moment of melancholy. He
God allowed him to keep growing,                made Richard Allen ‘Richard Allen,’ was                    ministry. In 1987, he entered an AME                       Relations for 2 years. Pastor Joe then took     bemoans in retrospect. Now living full         continues in his nostalgia, and shares
freeing him from what he espouses as            that he left the place where he thought he                 talent scholarship contest, delivered a                    a job with the National Urban League,           time in St. Louis, a city known for blues      one of his more pleasant thoughts.
“the narrow confines of denominational          was being treated unfairly. So the most                    speech with no preparation, and won.                       and was commuting between Boston and            and baseball, Pastor Joe’s atypical pres-      “Eventually, St. James was transformed,
myopia.” He states, “ If you trace the          AME thing I ever did was to leave my old                   From this experience, an awareness of his                  New York, while serving as an assistant         ence became a triple-header controversy,       and not only did the church grow, but
origin of the AME denomination, essen-          church!” He begins to laugh hysterically.                  calling based upon a confirmation of his                   pastor for Bridge Street AME Church in          as the home team wasn’t exactly thrilled       probably about 2000 people got saved




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and joined the church in the four and a       It wasn’t until December 2004, that       Joe, now sitting in the warm weather of
half year period that I was there. We were Pastor Joe and about 30 others attended a Los Angeles, California, as Executive
really avant-garde in terms of ministry.”  fellowship for pastors in Las Vegas, hosted Pastor for the City of Refuge.
While in St. Louis, Pastor Joe hosted a    by Bishop Noel Jones, and discovered that      In April 2005, while preaching a revival
weekly talk show, his ministry was broad-  Bishop Jones was looking for an Executive in East Orange, New Jersey, he received a
cast locally and internationally on the    Pastor. Pastor Joe became curious, and       call from one of his best friends, Pastor
Word Network, and his church launched      approached Bishop Jones about the posi-      Jamal Harrison Bryant, telling him to call
many exciting ministries and opportuni-    tion. Bishop Jones referred him to Les       Bishop Jones. He was shocked, because as
ties. “One year we brought Dr. Cornel      Johnson, head of S.E.A.M, who informed       another one of his best friends, Elder
West to the city, and                                                                                   Kenneth       Moales           Jr.,
brought Al Sharpton a                                                                                   reminded him, “Dudes
different year. We were                                                                                 like him, don’t call dudes
always doing something                                                                                  like us!” Pastor Joe
different. One time, we                                                                                 returned the call, and was
even had a dating game!                                                                                 doubly shocked to find
Now that was something! I                                                                               that Bishop Jones wanted
really saw lives changed in                                                                             to know if he was still
that city. God moved in that                                                                            interested in the position.
ministry in a remarkable                                                                                “Still interested? Is Jesus
way, but it did not happen                                                                              Lord?,” he laughs, and
without many tears.”                                                                                    says as if there was any
   Although he loved being                                                                              doubt concerning his
the pastor of St. James the                                                                             interest. Pastor Joe shared
church, on other levels, his                                                                            his reservations, however
experience in St. Louis took                                                                            Bishop replied by saying,
its toll, and during this time,                                                                         “Man… just send in your
his marriage ended. “But,                                                                               stuff!”     He        formally
God is good; I have 2 beau-                                                                             expressed his interest, and
tiful children, Malachi and                                                                             the wheels began turning
Caleb,” he says beatifically.                                                                           quickly. Somehow, word
   In 2004, when word                                                                                   leaked that Pastor Joe was
spread of several AME                                                                                   interested in the position,
pastors planning to retire in                                                                           and unbeknownst to him,
California, he assumed he’d                                                                             it soon became apparent
be in the running for one of                                                                            that numerous people
the positions. It only exacer-                                                                          from the AME community
bated things further to                                                                                 did not want Pastor Joe to
discover that Bishop Bryant                                                                             leave their assembly.
once again had a different                                                                              “Many people from the
objective in mind, and                                                                                  AME Church called and
asked him to stay in St.                                                                                wrote      Bishop          Jones,
Louis. Although he loved his
                                “  I DON’T CARE HOW GOOD YOU ARE AT WHAT telling him he was making
ministry, being in St. Louis YOU DO, IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHERE YOU a huge mistake. And you
was the crux of his unhappi-
ness. “I felt like I was dying
                                ARE, YOU AREN’T GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE must remember, we're              talking about people who
on the inside,” he says as he LONG TERM.
continues to resurrect the
                                                     ”                                                  have known me my entire
                                                                                                        life...invested in me…
memories. “When I was in church I was      him that the position was permanent.         helped me grow…and knew all there was
great, but outside of church I was miser-  Because of his own calling to pastoral       to know about me!” He continues the
able, and you can’t be in church all the   ministry, this piece of information disillu- story by expressing their thoughts. “Now,
time. I just didn’t like St. Louis, and I  sioned Pastor Joe. “I never really saw       you talking about leaving after we've put
don’t care how good you are at what you    myself as anyone’s assistant, and certainly  so much in you, and know so much
do, if you don’t like where you are, you   not for the rest of my life. So in my mind,  about you? I don’t think so buddy…you
aren’t going to be effective long term.”   that was the end of that!,” laughs Pastor    ain’t that great anyway! Continued on page 51.




46   INSIDE THE CITY    SPRING/SUMMER 2006
could aid them with the             IT’S NOT A JOB. IT’S MY LIFE. CONTINUED
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      reality of their biological
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      fathers not being present.             Oh, and by the way, here is a list of his
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Pastor Bryant then called for       shortcomings…” Pastor Joe continues to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      all married men to join these       reflect on the experience. “In addition,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      young people at the alter.          there were many people in the PAW
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Instantaneously, the pulpit         denomination who thought that they
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      was filled with an abun-            were going to get the position. They
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      dance of married men,               simply could not believe that someone
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      befriending,        embracing,      who did not grow up in the PAW church
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      praying, and fortifying every       was being considered for such a high
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      child. The sight was                profile position, in such a high profile
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      emotionally riveting, and           church, for such a high profile pastor. It’s
ABOVE (LEFT TO RIGHT): NIELE ANDERSON, PASTOR JAMAL BRYANT,TIFANI JONES ABOVE RIGHT: JOSH CHAVEZ AND TEAM GRACING THE HOUSE WITH PRAISE AND WORSHIP                                                                                   tears were inescapable by           really revolutionary, what Bishop Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      all. Elation filled the eyes of     did,” he began to break it down in a
    presentation was unforgettable, and set             generational curses, set backs and/or failures. He encouraged them not settle for mediocrity,                                                                                 the youth, and if for nothing       manner were I couldn’t help but grasp
    the atmosphere for the speaker of the               or to allow themselves to become habitual to negative environments, but to understand that                                                                                    more than a shear moment,           the magnitude of what had occurred. “A
    night, the Senior Pastor of Empowerment             as a child of God, they have been born to succeed.“Despite what your family members may                                                                                       enmity was replaced with            third generation PAW reached halfway
    Temple AME Church in Baltimore, Maryland,           have, or may not have done,,”” he said, “You will be, the first! You will be the first to go to                                                                               love, despondency was               across the country to hire a second gener-
    the eminent Dr. Jamal Harrison Bryant.              college,the first to own a business,the first not to go to jail,the first not to have a baby’s daddy,                                                                         replaced with hope, and             ation AME…Wow!” In spite of all the
       Introduced by his friend since the age of        the first not to be on drugs!” He then continued to decree to them,“God has supernaturally                                                                                    emptiness was replaced              commentary against him receiving the
    five, the Executive Pastor of the City of           protected you and has placed value on the inside of you, and tonight, what God is saying, is                                                                                  with         encouragement,         Executive Pastor position, two weeks
    Refuge, Pastor Joe Robinson, and accompa-           that because you came into the house…I will give you what you need!!!”                                                                                                        through the gentleness of           later, he received a call from Bishop Jones
    nied by his parents, the honorable Bishop             The entirety of Pastor Bryant’s message was fundamentally impacting, and provided an intense                                                                                an endearing embrace,               asking him to come to LA. He came to
    John Bryant and Rev. Dr. Cecelia Bryant, this       examination of the need for God’s children to aim high, strive for better, and recognize that there     ABOVE: “YOU WILL BE THE FIRST!” EXCLAIMS PASTOR JAMAL BRYANT          combined with the incon-            LA, and hasn’t been back yet. “After the
    third generation prodigious Pastor, quickly         are no limits or boundaries to what all are capable of achieving.He elevated the youth in such a way,                                                                         ceivable power God.                 City of Refuge FBI checked me out,” he
    delved into a vehement message, imparting           that by the time he finished, the atmosphere had changed from self-doubt to empowerment.                 call, so specific to countless young people, it
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Before the event began, I asked event              jokes as he remembers the intensive
    to our youth that they are destined to              Revelation was swinging from the rafters, inspiration was jumping on the seats, motivation was           couldn’t of been anything but the Spirit of God,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    directors, Niele Anderson and Tifani Jones,           screening process he endured, “I guess
    achieve “supernatural success,”regardless of        running up and down the aisles, and essentially, (to quote Pastor Bryant), we gave the devil “a          that lead and authorized his action.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    what they would like to see take place on this        they thought that the good in me,
    intricacies such as upbringing, environment,        nervous breakdown!”However,the precocious Pastor wasn’t finished yet.He concluded with an alter             He first called for all youth, under the age of
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    night.“We are expecting, of course a move of          outweighed the bad. Whatever the
                                                                                                                                                                 17, whose fathers were deceased, to join him
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    God,”Tifani said,“That is the ultimate expecta-       combination of reasons, I am here…
                                                                                                                                                                 at the alter. It was heartbreaking to observe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tion and goal. Just to see the alter filled with      and grateful to be here.”
                                                                                                                                                                 so many young people making their way to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    youth and young adults wanting to turn their             People ask him all the time, “how did it
                                                                                                                                                                 the pulpit, yet as Pastor Bryant spoke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    lives around for Christ.” Niele responded by          happen?” Pastor Joe responds by saying,
                                                                                                                                                                 prophetically and laid hands upon them, the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    saying, “Tonight, we want to encourage                “It was nothing but God…and as the
                                                                                                                                                                 heartbreaking feeling turned into assurance
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    young people that having a relationship with          psalmist declared, ‘This is the Lord’s doing,
                                                                                                                                                                 that God is all the father they will ever need,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    God makes life better, it makes life easier. A        and it is marvelous in my eyes.” He
                                                                                                                                                                 and He will continue to maintain custody of
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    relationship with God doesn’t take away the           continues to reflect on what a great experi-
                                                                                                                                                                 each one of them.“Although your father is not
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    struggle, it makes it bearable.”                      ence it has been up to this point. “From
                                                                                                                                                                 here,”Pastor Bryant said with conviction,“You
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       The goal and purpose of the Worship                day one, I felt very comfortable. It was a
                                                                                                                                                                 are covered because of the anointing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Xperience was fulfilled, and through the              little eerie. I didn’t anticipate how well I’d
                                                                                                                                                                 Whatever your father cannot provide, God
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    outcome of the incredible alter call, confirma-       be received, or it being such a good fit. The
                                                                                                                                                                 will meet the need. Never again should you
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tion was given to the words Pastor Bryant             Bible says, ‘The blessings of the Lord
                                                                                                                                                                 profess to be fatherless. What no one in your
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    spoke during his message.“If you can just get         makes rich and adds no sorrow.’ It’s been
                                                                                                                                                                 family could accomplish, you have been
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    into the house of the Lord…God will meet              like no sorrow. It’s incredible to me, as
                                                                                                                                                                 anointed to do, and will accomplish this year.”
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    you, and your need.” I                                typically, it doesn’t happen this way. I
                                                                                                                                                                    Next,he called for all youth,18 and younger,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          think it’s a testament to the fact that God is
                                                                                                                                                                 who do not know how to get into contact
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    GET SAVED OR DIE TRYIN WAS THE FIRST OF THE           in it, to the enormous vision and sensi-
                                                                                                                                                                 with their fathers, do not where their fathers
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    8 WORSHIP XPERIENCE EVENTS, SCHEDULED TO              tivity of our Bishop, and the type of people
                                                                                                                                                                 are located, or are simply unaccounted for.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    TAKE PLACE IN VARIOUS CHURCH LOCATIONS                we have in our congregation. I’m very
                                                                                                                                                                    Although inexplicable to witness, it was
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    THROUGHOUT THE LOS ANGELES AREA. THE                  fortunate, and I feel very blessed.” I
                                                                                                                                                                 encouraging to see the amazing strength of
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    NEXT ONE, THE BREAKTHROUGH, IS SCHED-
                                                                                                                                                                 more than 300 children, uninhibited and
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ULED TO TAKE PLACE AT WEST ANGELES                    Look for the continuation of this feature
                                                                                                                                                                 fiercely determined, making their way down
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    CHURCH ON MAY 26TH, 2006.                             in the next issue of Inside the City.
                                                                                                                                                                 the aisles, desperate to receive whatever
ABOVE (LEFT AND RIGHT): THE POWER OF LOVE, OUTWEIGHING THE PAIN OF LOSS



    50   INSIDE THE CITY      SPRING/SUMMER 2006                                                                                                                                                                                                                        SPRING/SUMMER 2006         INSIDE THE CITY    51

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  • 1. O IT’S NOT A JOB IT’S MY LIFE A CLOSER LOOK AT EXECUTIVE PASTOR, JOSEPH C. ROBINSON By Tamaya Petteway riginally, when our Editor asked me to interview the City of Refuge Executive Pastor, the interview was slated to be a brief profile. Unexpectedly, so much information was commu- nicated during the interview, that not only did it take four mini cassettes and half a notebook to capture all the commentary, but the informa- tion was so in depth, that an article seemed to write itself. It w like the as assignment was to write a book report, but the professor gave a lecture that was so informative, I accidentally wrote a term paper. (Or, maybe it was just because Pastor Joe talked too much!) Either way, we realized that not only was an article fitting, but the information reveled was so ( ) superfluous, it was necessary to split it into two parts. I hope you gain significant insight, and a better understanding of the person in Pastor Joseph C. Robinson. I invite you to share in Part I of It’s Not a Job. It’s my Life. I hope that you will gain significant insight, and a better understanding of the person in Pastor Joseph C. Robinson, and its transparency allows you Photograph By Nicola Goode to feel as if you were there, listening and witnessing for yourself. —Tamaya Petteway 40 INSIDE THE CITY SPRING/SUMMER 2006
  • 2. LOS ANGELES, CA, 8:15am—It’s a breath- the last person to file an application the African Methodist Episcopal or point, I was pretty cynical about the taking morning in December. Contrary to would be the person selected for the A.M.E. Church) preached when I was whole thing, as I could not separate godly the 37-degree temperature in Joseph position, and even more surprisingly, 11 years old. The sermon was called “A judgment from a self-serving decision of Robinson’s hometown of Brooklyn NY, no one imagined that the person who Saga Of Sterling Stability,” and I still a man with a clergy collar on. Due to the the morning is equivalent to that of was selected, had a completely different remember today how those words constant moving, I really think I was summer. A car pulls up to the valet, and background than anyone expected. transformed that atmosphere way robbed of so much of my childhood, as out steps a tall figure. “Pastor Joe,” as we Born a third generation preacher, back then. I think I was always trans- we never knew if the Bishop was going to fondly call him, arrives on time, main- Joseph Carlos Robinson, knew early on fixed by words, even before I realized move us at the next church meeting! But taining a low profile under a bucket that ministry was his inborn destiny. He I had been called to the ministry.” again, that profound disappointment ‘Kangol’ hat, wearing brown from head to grew up with an affinity for ministry, and Although Pastor Joe has many affec- taught me a lot about people. It's funny, I toe, enriched by an earth toned multi- had a particular love for preachers, many tionate memories of his childhood, and have 3 brothers, and although we all grew color blazer. He quickly waves, and up AME, one is now a United Methodist, perambulates with a swagger of confi- dence and zeal. He is a morning person, “BOTH ANDMYTHINK I GOT THE IMPETUS TO IMPROVE LIVES, OF I PARENTS LEFT THE SOUTH FOR BETTER one was a Muslim, and now I'm a Pentecostal. So perhaps that is what we who typically begins his day at 5am, so as he approaches, he’s bringing a full signal MYSELF FROM BOTH OF THEM.” think of the whole enterprise.” Because of his parents’ background of energy to the quiet atmosphere. “God with the AME Church, Pastor Joe received Bless You,” he says ceremoniously, and of whom were defining figures in his wouldn’t trade his upbringing for the a broad exposure to the things of God and marvels for a while at the style and décor community. “I grew up loving church, world, growing up a preacher’s child in the Spirit, which influenced his develop- of the place before taking a seat. Since I’m and loving preachers. “I loved church,” the AME community wasn’t always fun ment as child. He also grew up with an certain that he has never experienced a he says delightfully. He began to recall and games. In fact, there were multiple emphasis being placed on education, December so nice on the east coast, we fond memories, such as being kissed each challenges he and his family had to deal community, and political involvement, chat for a little bit about the similarities week by a particular church mother who with in his early years. “In the AME which he considers genetic to the person and differences between New York and had a mustache, loving to eat pound cake Church, pastors are assigned by Bishops, he is today. “I was blessed with great Los Angeles living. After I share my that wasn’t completely cooked at church with minimal involvement of the parents,” he says while smiling. “They are opinion, he brings the conversation to a receptions, and being enthralled with churches themselves and almost no input both radicals who both decided to devote humorous halt, by delivering one of his trying to figure out which soprano was from the pastors or their families. The their lives to raising their children. My signature replies, reminiscent of other dating which tenor. He laughs, and logic behind this is that the Bishop is to mother was a career woman before that clever antidotes he’s known for. “This is begins to remember how he and his exercise godly judgment in deciding was vogue. Back in the 60’s, she worked incredible,” he says, as he surveys the younger brother Jason would “play” which pastor fits best with which church. for the FAA as an accountant before landscape. “If you would have told me church. “My father would wear a robe Sometimes this works, sometimes it deciding to marry a preacher. She has this time last year I’d be sitting in 70 every Sunday, and a guy named Bro. doesn't. I still haven't figured out what quite a mind, and was the glue that held degree weather being interviewed as the Smith would follow him around with a godly judgment is, and as you can our family together. She use to read the Executive Pastor of the City of Refuge, I handkerchief. So, me and my little imagine the godliness of the judgment Atlantic Monthly magazine when I was would have told you that you were crazy!” As he thinks about his reply, he brother… he would follow me around… and I’d be preaching… varies, according to the godliness of the Bishop.” As a result, like 5 or 6, and is an intense intellectual with a keen eye into human motivation. “I am grateful for my diverse literally becomes overwhelmed with we’d get the Holy Pastor Joe and his laughter for a brief moment, and an Ghost… jumping all family moved to 8 She is the pragmatist of the house. My background. I grew up AME, Father is the prophet-poet. He is has an extensive interview immediately begins. over the bed!” He different places, before infectious sense of humor, and genuinely laughs. “I have always he was 18 years old. “I loves people. He would quote lines from went to a Catholic elementary just loved church! I remember one instance Plato and was always talking about THE JOURNEY TO THE DESTINATION have always loved where I felt as though Socrates drinking hemlock for standing school, attended a high school In the winter of 2005, the City of Refuge preachers, was fasci- my father was treated up against injustice. I have a picture of church bulletins included an ad adver- nated with the power particularly harshly. him marching in the street during the civil run by Franciscan monks, went tising that the church administration of words, and how The effect of this rights movement in the 1960’s. Both of was searching for an Executive Pastor. they can inspire particular move was Applications from around the country people to live better wrenching on my my parents left the South for better to a Baptist college, and now I'm lives, and I think I got the impetus to poured in, as interested men and lives.” He becomes family, in every sense of improve myself from both of them. women from across the denomina- more serious as he that word. I simply They really did a good job of protecting serving an apostolic church. It’s tional spectrum rushed at the opportu- continues in reflec- could not believe that us from the madness of things.” nity to be a part of one of the greatest tion. “ I remember a he accepted it as "God's Pastor Joe also shared many positive apparent that God was ministries of our generation, and to eulogy that Bishop will" expressed through elements of growing up in the AME work for our legendary leader, Bishop Frank Madison Reid the godly judgment of Church, beginning with amazing travel preparing me for something.” Noel Jones. Little did anyone know that (a one-time Bishop in the Bishop. After that experiences he had the opportunity to JOSEPH ROBINSON, AGE 8. 42 INSIDE THE CITY SPRING/SUMMER 2006 SPRING/SUMMER 2006 INSIDE THE CITY 43
  • 3. embark upon early in life. “Because every New York. He got married that same about their new all-star player. Strike AME church is connected to every other summer, and became the pastor at Allen One…when he was assigned, he wasn’t AME church, I got the chance to travel the Chapel AME Church in Hartford, even pastoring a church at the time, and world, preaching and doing mission Connecticut. “The church was smaller was now assigned to a church which was work at a very young age. I remember than this room, and it was really chal- a marquee pulpit within the AME preaching a revival in South Africa when lenging. On my first Sunday, I actually denomination. “Many people thought I was 21 years old because the AME drove by the church it was so small! that they deserved that church, and could church has been in South Africa since the Then, when I went into the church, there not believe a neophyte like me was early 1900s. So I was exposed to a lot of were only about 14 people inside, and 10 assigned.” Strike Two…He was only 30 yrs different environments, and literally have of them came with me!” He laughs as he old, and considerably younger than most been all over the world.” He continues by recalls the memory. “ But I appreciate the pastors there. “When I got off the plane sharing several positive aspects relating to experience, because the Bible says, ‘Don’t and met the chairman of my board, the PASTOR JOE AT THE 2005 HOMECOMING WEEKEND WORSHIP SERVICE WITH SON MALACHI, MOREHOUSE PRESIDENT, DR. WALTER MASSEY, PASTOR JOE PREACHING AT ST. JAMES AME CHURCH, scholastic achievement and being active WIFE SHIRLEY MASSEY, AND DR. LAWRENCE E. CARTER DEAN OF MARTIN LUTHER KING INTERNATIONAL CHAPEL. IN ST. LOUIS MISSOURI. despise the days of small beginnings.” first thing he said to me was…how you in the community as well. “The AME Pastor Joe later worked in the Strategy gonna be my pastor? I got grandchildren church has always emphasized education tially, Richard Allen (the founder) walked “In any event, I am happy to be in a place gift was birthed. His last year of high Consultant Practice of Cap Gemini Ernst older than you!” Strike Three…his style of and community involvement, so my out a Methodist church in Philadelphia where we preach and seek to live out of school, he traveled around the world and Young where he had the opportunity ministry was utterly aberrant from the interest in those things are almost because the white parishioners would the fullness of Christ, and not the acci- preaching, and on April 13, 1987, he to travel all over the world, building norm, and to add insult to injury, his genetic. AMEs are adamant about not let him pray. Thus, the primary dental, temporal preoccupations of preached his first trial sermon. Although websites and performing strategic personal style was a little too contempo- academic preparation. In fact, the first impetus for his leaving was racial denominations. We are living in a post- he received a full undergraduate scholar- analysis for Fortune 500 companies, rary for the environment. “I wore black college in America was Wilberforce discrimination, not doctrinal disagree- denomination age, where people really ship to a prestigious Ivy League univer- while also securing his MBA from the Timberlands and Sean John sweat suits in University in Ohio, which was founded ment. If you read the doctrinal statement don’t care where you came from, but sity, he was propositioned by a mentor to University of Connecticut in Marketing the pulpit! Of course, the young people by the AME Bishop Daniel Alexander of the AME Church, it is essentially no whether or not you are seeking to live out visit Morehouse College in Atlanta, and International Business. loved it! The church was packed, but many Payne in 1856, and you must go to different from the doctrine of the biblical Christianity. I am grateful for my Georgia. After one visit to the campus for In the year of 2000, Bishop John of the older members, older preachers in school to be ordained as a minister. Methodist church that Allen left, which diverse background. I grew up AME, went a Perspective Student Seminar, his mind Bryant, was head of an AME region, and town, and more traditional AMES thought That's why my father left the Baptist means that the church, at its core, is an to a Catholic elementary school, attended a was instantly made up. “It was over! I was asked Pastor Joe to join the region. He it was blasphemy.” With 3 strikes against Church. He did not want to be a jackleg expression of protest against racism. I high school run by Franciscan monks, went like…I’m going here!” he says with exhil- agreed, because he knew the district him immediately, whether called fairly or preacher, (a traditional label for a found this core identity to be somewhat to a Baptist college, and now I'm serving an aration in his voice. At the time, his included California, where Pastor Joe had not, he didn’t quite help things with his preacher who has no formal training.) problematic, and in my view, a lot of apostolic church. It’s apparent that God was parents, family friends, and other aspirations of going. Instead, Bishop innate penchant for being outspoken. Another benefit of growing up AME is contemporary churches suffer from the preparing me for something.” mentors were adamantly against the idea Bryant had St. Louis in mind. So for As he continues to reflect, it became they have a rule for everything...hence fact that they are committed to social Pastor Joe didn’t grow up in a very strict of him attending Morehouse because it about 3 months, he commuted back and quite evident that living in St. Louis was METHODIST! They have a method for protest more than they are to a relation- environment, as his parents wanted to was a “black school.” Pastor Joe shared everything. They teach you the impor- ship with God, or they understand a rela- cultivate an awareness of life beyond the the reason why it was such a big issue. tance of order, rules, processes, proce- dures, etc. Then finally, I think I learned a tionship with God in terms of social protest only! At the end of the day, all church, and therefore, encouraged him to define himself outside of church. “I think “Many of them felt as though I would be limiting my future options. My parents “GOD MOVED INHAPPEN WITHOUT A REMARKABLE WAY, BUT IT DID NOT THAT MINISTRY IN MANY TEARS.” lot about the importance of tradition. denominations are a response to what because my father was a PK (preacher’s told me that they went to black schools There is a difference in being traditional, someone has discovered, or maybe redis- kid), he had a keen appreciation of how because they had to, and if I had a choice, and understanding the importance of covered, about God. Luther rediscovered far to the left you can go if you’re not I should go to a place where my gifts forth between St. Louis, New York, and more than a rocky road, or a tumultuous tradition. I was taught all the old hymns justification by faith. Calvin rediscovered careful. So there really was no pressure to could really shine. I just felt that that Chicago, as he had intentions of keeping time. With all that he was experiencing, it and the creeds of the church, and no one predestination. Wesley rediscovered sanc- do or be anything.” Due to the freedom place was Morehouse.” his jobs, and not preaching full time. He was like his life transformed into a can do "high church" like AMEs! He tification. Seymour rediscovered he experienced in his upbringing, Pastor After graduating from Morehouse with would soon find out that this wasn’t penumbra, somewhere between exis- begins to laugh. “I mean the pipe organ, speaking in tongues. Once you can set Joe initially had dreams of being a physi- honors, Pastor Joe received the Benjamin possible. Despite his dynamic degrees, tence and oblivion. “Howard Thurmond, the liturgy, the regalia. It's almost your denomination in right context, it cian, a fashion model, a basketball Elijah Mays Fellowship to attend grad ivy-league education, lucrative positions a very influential African American writer Catholic, which of course is the Anglican loses much of its power to control you.” player, or more excitingly, he would school at Harvard University, where he and prolific preaching experiences, what once said, ‘The challenge of life is to influences on early Methodists. I heard Abruptly, Pastor Joe stopped speaking, pursue a career in rap music, as he was studied patristic exegesis. He then went to came next was incalculable. remain true in darkness to what you’ve Donnie McClurkin once say that all of and began to stare into space as if he was recognized on the block, as “Almighty J- work for his mentor Rev. Floyd Flake, Interrupting a lucrative lifestyle, St. seen in the light’. St. Louis challenged that old stuff teaches you to reverence the pondering his thoughts. He pauses for a Love” with the Triple Threat MC’s, known who was at that time, a Congressman Louis was incongruous for him. “If there every fiber of my being.” He began to give mystery of God, and I think that is true.” quick moment, then finally, he to drop a rhyme or two, at neighborhood representing the 6th Congressional was ever a time God confirmed my examples, and by the time he finished I But however much, Pastor Joe appreci- continued to reflect. “I used to argue house parties. But regardless of his other District in New York. He worked as a calling, it was there. The environment was intrigued, but experienced a ates his background, and is thankful that with people all the time that what really interests, nothing interested him like legislative assistant, and in Public was hostile like you can’t imagine,” he poignant moment of melancholy. He God allowed him to keep growing, made Richard Allen ‘Richard Allen,’ was ministry. In 1987, he entered an AME Relations for 2 years. Pastor Joe then took bemoans in retrospect. Now living full continues in his nostalgia, and shares freeing him from what he espouses as that he left the place where he thought he talent scholarship contest, delivered a a job with the National Urban League, time in St. Louis, a city known for blues one of his more pleasant thoughts. “the narrow confines of denominational was being treated unfairly. So the most speech with no preparation, and won. and was commuting between Boston and and baseball, Pastor Joe’s atypical pres- “Eventually, St. James was transformed, myopia.” He states, “ If you trace the AME thing I ever did was to leave my old From this experience, an awareness of his New York, while serving as an assistant ence became a triple-header controversy, and not only did the church grow, but origin of the AME denomination, essen- church!” He begins to laugh hysterically. calling based upon a confirmation of his pastor for Bridge Street AME Church in as the home team wasn’t exactly thrilled probably about 2000 people got saved 44 INSIDE THE CITY SPRING/SUMMER 2006 SPRING/SUMMER 2006 INSIDE THE CITY 45
  • 4. and joined the church in the four and a It wasn’t until December 2004, that Joe, now sitting in the warm weather of half year period that I was there. We were Pastor Joe and about 30 others attended a Los Angeles, California, as Executive really avant-garde in terms of ministry.” fellowship for pastors in Las Vegas, hosted Pastor for the City of Refuge. While in St. Louis, Pastor Joe hosted a by Bishop Noel Jones, and discovered that In April 2005, while preaching a revival weekly talk show, his ministry was broad- Bishop Jones was looking for an Executive in East Orange, New Jersey, he received a cast locally and internationally on the Pastor. Pastor Joe became curious, and call from one of his best friends, Pastor Word Network, and his church launched approached Bishop Jones about the posi- Jamal Harrison Bryant, telling him to call many exciting ministries and opportuni- tion. Bishop Jones referred him to Les Bishop Jones. He was shocked, because as ties. “One year we brought Dr. Cornel Johnson, head of S.E.A.M, who informed another one of his best friends, Elder West to the city, and Kenneth Moales Jr., brought Al Sharpton a reminded him, “Dudes different year. We were like him, don’t call dudes always doing something like us!” Pastor Joe different. One time, we returned the call, and was even had a dating game! doubly shocked to find Now that was something! I that Bishop Jones wanted really saw lives changed in to know if he was still that city. God moved in that interested in the position. ministry in a remarkable “Still interested? Is Jesus way, but it did not happen Lord?,” he laughs, and without many tears.” says as if there was any Although he loved being doubt concerning his the pastor of St. James the interest. Pastor Joe shared church, on other levels, his his reservations, however experience in St. Louis took Bishop replied by saying, its toll, and during this time, “Man… just send in your his marriage ended. “But, stuff!” He formally God is good; I have 2 beau- expressed his interest, and tiful children, Malachi and the wheels began turning Caleb,” he says beatifically. quickly. Somehow, word In 2004, when word leaked that Pastor Joe was spread of several AME interested in the position, pastors planning to retire in and unbeknownst to him, California, he assumed he’d it soon became apparent be in the running for one of that numerous people the positions. It only exacer- from the AME community bated things further to did not want Pastor Joe to discover that Bishop Bryant leave their assembly. once again had a different “Many people from the objective in mind, and AME Church called and asked him to stay in St. wrote Bishop Jones, Louis. Although he loved his “ I DON’T CARE HOW GOOD YOU ARE AT WHAT telling him he was making ministry, being in St. Louis YOU DO, IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHERE YOU a huge mistake. And you was the crux of his unhappi- ness. “I felt like I was dying ARE, YOU AREN’T GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE must remember, we're talking about people who on the inside,” he says as he LONG TERM. continues to resurrect the ” have known me my entire life...invested in me… memories. “When I was in church I was him that the position was permanent. helped me grow…and knew all there was great, but outside of church I was miser- Because of his own calling to pastoral to know about me!” He continues the able, and you can’t be in church all the ministry, this piece of information disillu- story by expressing their thoughts. “Now, time. I just didn’t like St. Louis, and I sioned Pastor Joe. “I never really saw you talking about leaving after we've put don’t care how good you are at what you myself as anyone’s assistant, and certainly so much in you, and know so much do, if you don’t like where you are, you not for the rest of my life. So in my mind, about you? I don’t think so buddy…you aren’t going to be effective long term.” that was the end of that!,” laughs Pastor ain’t that great anyway! Continued on page 51. 46 INSIDE THE CITY SPRING/SUMMER 2006
  • 5. could aid them with the IT’S NOT A JOB. IT’S MY LIFE. CONTINUED reality of their biological fathers not being present. Oh, and by the way, here is a list of his Pastor Bryant then called for shortcomings…” Pastor Joe continues to all married men to join these reflect on the experience. “In addition, young people at the alter. there were many people in the PAW Instantaneously, the pulpit denomination who thought that they was filled with an abun- were going to get the position. They dance of married men, simply could not believe that someone befriending, embracing, who did not grow up in the PAW church praying, and fortifying every was being considered for such a high child. The sight was profile position, in such a high profile emotionally riveting, and church, for such a high profile pastor. It’s ABOVE (LEFT TO RIGHT): NIELE ANDERSON, PASTOR JAMAL BRYANT,TIFANI JONES ABOVE RIGHT: JOSH CHAVEZ AND TEAM GRACING THE HOUSE WITH PRAISE AND WORSHIP tears were inescapable by really revolutionary, what Bishop Jones all. Elation filled the eyes of did,” he began to break it down in a presentation was unforgettable, and set generational curses, set backs and/or failures. He encouraged them not settle for mediocrity, the youth, and if for nothing manner were I couldn’t help but grasp the atmosphere for the speaker of the or to allow themselves to become habitual to negative environments, but to understand that more than a shear moment, the magnitude of what had occurred. “A night, the Senior Pastor of Empowerment as a child of God, they have been born to succeed.“Despite what your family members may enmity was replaced with third generation PAW reached halfway Temple AME Church in Baltimore, Maryland, have, or may not have done,,”” he said, “You will be, the first! You will be the first to go to love, despondency was across the country to hire a second gener- the eminent Dr. Jamal Harrison Bryant. college,the first to own a business,the first not to go to jail,the first not to have a baby’s daddy, replaced with hope, and ation AME…Wow!” In spite of all the Introduced by his friend since the age of the first not to be on drugs!” He then continued to decree to them,“God has supernaturally emptiness was replaced commentary against him receiving the five, the Executive Pastor of the City of protected you and has placed value on the inside of you, and tonight, what God is saying, is with encouragement, Executive Pastor position, two weeks Refuge, Pastor Joe Robinson, and accompa- that because you came into the house…I will give you what you need!!!” through the gentleness of later, he received a call from Bishop Jones nied by his parents, the honorable Bishop The entirety of Pastor Bryant’s message was fundamentally impacting, and provided an intense an endearing embrace, asking him to come to LA. He came to John Bryant and Rev. Dr. Cecelia Bryant, this examination of the need for God’s children to aim high, strive for better, and recognize that there ABOVE: “YOU WILL BE THE FIRST!” EXCLAIMS PASTOR JAMAL BRYANT combined with the incon- LA, and hasn’t been back yet. “After the third generation prodigious Pastor, quickly are no limits or boundaries to what all are capable of achieving.He elevated the youth in such a way, ceivable power God. City of Refuge FBI checked me out,” he delved into a vehement message, imparting that by the time he finished, the atmosphere had changed from self-doubt to empowerment. call, so specific to countless young people, it Before the event began, I asked event jokes as he remembers the intensive to our youth that they are destined to Revelation was swinging from the rafters, inspiration was jumping on the seats, motivation was couldn’t of been anything but the Spirit of God, directors, Niele Anderson and Tifani Jones, screening process he endured, “I guess achieve “supernatural success,”regardless of running up and down the aisles, and essentially, (to quote Pastor Bryant), we gave the devil “a that lead and authorized his action. what they would like to see take place on this they thought that the good in me, intricacies such as upbringing, environment, nervous breakdown!”However,the precocious Pastor wasn’t finished yet.He concluded with an alter He first called for all youth, under the age of night.“We are expecting, of course a move of outweighed the bad. Whatever the 17, whose fathers were deceased, to join him God,”Tifani said,“That is the ultimate expecta- combination of reasons, I am here… at the alter. It was heartbreaking to observe tion and goal. Just to see the alter filled with and grateful to be here.” so many young people making their way to youth and young adults wanting to turn their People ask him all the time, “how did it the pulpit, yet as Pastor Bryant spoke lives around for Christ.” Niele responded by happen?” Pastor Joe responds by saying, prophetically and laid hands upon them, the saying, “Tonight, we want to encourage “It was nothing but God…and as the heartbreaking feeling turned into assurance young people that having a relationship with psalmist declared, ‘This is the Lord’s doing, that God is all the father they will ever need, God makes life better, it makes life easier. A and it is marvelous in my eyes.” He and He will continue to maintain custody of relationship with God doesn’t take away the continues to reflect on what a great experi- each one of them.“Although your father is not struggle, it makes it bearable.” ence it has been up to this point. “From here,”Pastor Bryant said with conviction,“You The goal and purpose of the Worship day one, I felt very comfortable. It was a are covered because of the anointing. Xperience was fulfilled, and through the little eerie. I didn’t anticipate how well I’d Whatever your father cannot provide, God outcome of the incredible alter call, confirma- be received, or it being such a good fit. The will meet the need. Never again should you tion was given to the words Pastor Bryant Bible says, ‘The blessings of the Lord profess to be fatherless. What no one in your spoke during his message.“If you can just get makes rich and adds no sorrow.’ It’s been family could accomplish, you have been into the house of the Lord…God will meet like no sorrow. It’s incredible to me, as anointed to do, and will accomplish this year.” you, and your need.” I typically, it doesn’t happen this way. I Next,he called for all youth,18 and younger, think it’s a testament to the fact that God is who do not know how to get into contact GET SAVED OR DIE TRYIN WAS THE FIRST OF THE in it, to the enormous vision and sensi- with their fathers, do not where their fathers 8 WORSHIP XPERIENCE EVENTS, SCHEDULED TO tivity of our Bishop, and the type of people are located, or are simply unaccounted for. TAKE PLACE IN VARIOUS CHURCH LOCATIONS we have in our congregation. I’m very Although inexplicable to witness, it was THROUGHOUT THE LOS ANGELES AREA. THE fortunate, and I feel very blessed.” I encouraging to see the amazing strength of NEXT ONE, THE BREAKTHROUGH, IS SCHED- more than 300 children, uninhibited and ULED TO TAKE PLACE AT WEST ANGELES Look for the continuation of this feature fiercely determined, making their way down CHURCH ON MAY 26TH, 2006. in the next issue of Inside the City. the aisles, desperate to receive whatever ABOVE (LEFT AND RIGHT): THE POWER OF LOVE, OUTWEIGHING THE PAIN OF LOSS 50 INSIDE THE CITY SPRING/SUMMER 2006 SPRING/SUMMER 2006 INSIDE THE CITY 51