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myphp-busters:
symfony framework
     PHPCon Italia
      19-03-2009
Adam Savage
Jamie Hyneman
Stefan Koopmanschap
About me

•   Professional Services Consultant at Ibuildings

•   Husband, father of 2, slave of 6

•   Symfony advocate

•   Initiator of SymfonyCamp

•   Founder of symfony-framework.nl

•   Plugin author/maintainer
The myths:
                      symfony is...
•   ... hard to learn

•   ... extremely coupled

•   ... not really programming, just configuration

•   ... restrictive

•   ... badly performing

•   ... the ultimate tool
What I want to prove...



•   symfony is not crap

•   symfony fits in of pookey’s 10%
Pookey’s 10%
Pookey’s 10%
<pookey> PHP is a fucking filthy horrible language in
                90% of usecases.
Pookey’s 10%
<pookey> PHP is a fucking filthy horrible language in
                90% of usecases.

<pookey> I will back that up with NOTHING
Pookey’s 10%
<pookey> PHP is a fucking filthy horrible language in
                90% of usecases.

<pookey> I will back that up with NOTHING
<pookey> but it's FACT
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Symfony is hard to learn
Steep Learning Curve


•   Full-stack

    •   MVC

    •   ORM

    •   YAML
Great documentation

•   The Definitive Guide to
    symfony

•   Practical Symfony

    •   Propel Edition

    •   Doctrine Edition

•   Various other languages
Great documentation
•   Official books in digital
    form

•   Forms in Action

•   symfony and Doctrine

•   The Cookbook

•   API documentation

•   Tutorials & Screencasts
Community
•   IRC: #symfony on
    freenode

•   Forum

•   Mailinglists

•   Wiki

•   Snippets

•   Blog posts

•   Various local sites
Symfony is hard to learn


•   Steep learning curve

•   Great documentation (online and offline)

•   Friendly and supportive community
Symfony is hard to learn



      The Verdict
Symfony is hard to learn



      The Verdict
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Symfony is extremely coupled
Perhaps in 1.0


•   symfony was the glue between components

•   ORM integrated in the core

•   It was full-stack or nothing
by-nc-nd 3.0 http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/06/23/the-symfony-1-1-architecture




symfony platform
by-nc-nd 3.0 http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/06/23/the-symfony-1-1-architecture




platform and framework
Symfony is extremely coupled




     by-nc-nd 3.0 http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2009/02/18/dailymotion-powered-by-symfony
Symfony is extremely coupled

•   1.0 had quite some coupling

•   1.1 introduced decoupling of the core: symfony
    platform

•   it is now possible to use core symfony classes
    without symfony
Symfony is extremely coupled




        The Verdict
Symfony is extremely coupled




        The Verdict
symfony is not really programming, just
            configuration
Just configuration is no fun
Programming should be fun


•   No boring repetitive tasks

•   No standard stuff you did 100 times before

•   Write cool stuff

•   Focus on the cool parts
Yes, there is configuration


•   To minimize the boring tasks

•   To ensure you don’t repeat yourself

•   To enable you to concentrate on complex logic
So what is configured?

•   database credentials

•   caching

•   access control (authorization and authentication)

•   application specific values

•   routing

•   admin generator
So where do I touch code?

•   Your custom complex business logic

•   Application specific controller code

•   View displays

•   Custom administration tasks

•   Your own libraries
symfony is not really programming, just
            configuration




           The Verdict
symfony is not really programming, just
            configuration




           The Verdict
by-nc-sa 2.0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/two-wrongs/205467442/




symfony is restrictive
symfony is restrictive


•   Default directory structure

•   Default set of classes

•   Default set of libraries

•   ORM included
Default directory structure
•   Easily change the most
    important directory
    locations:

    •   document root

    •   cache directory

    •   log directory

•   You usually don’t need
    to do this!
Default set of classes


•   Default set offers most
    common uses

•   Easy to use your own
    custom class using
    configuration
Default set of libraries
•   Default libraries

    •   lime (unit testing)

    •   prototype

    •   scriptaculous

•   Dozens of plugins

    •   jquery, dojo, extjs, YUI

    •   PHPUnit
ORM included


•   Propel is default

•   Doctrine is distributed with symfony

•   There is no need for an ORM
You can just disable both!
Hell, disable the database


•   When you don’t use the
    database

    •   Models approach web
        services
symfony is restrictive



     The Verdict
symfony is restrictive



     The Verdict
Symfony is badly performing
Symfony doesn’t perform
Symfony doesn’t perform
Disclaimer:
No benchmarks!
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Symfony doesn’t perform



•   Slow

•   Hard on the server
Symfony doesn’t perform


•   Overhead

    •   just like any framework

    •   tweak it the right way
Symfony doesn’t perform

•   Select your caching strategy

    •   Page caching

    •   Function caching

    •   Query caching

    •   Supercache!
Symfony doesn’t perform

•   Select your caching strategy

    •   Page caching

    •   Function caching

    •   Query caching

    •   Supercache!
Cache
Cache
Symfony doesn’t perform

•   Turn off what you don’t need

    •   ORM

    •   Plugins

    •   Database

    •   Logging

    •   Helpers
Symfony doesn’t perform


•   Don’t believe me!

    •   Yahoo! Answers

    •   Delicious.com

    •   DailyMotion.com
Symfony is badly performing




        The Verdict
Symfony is badly performing




        The Verdict
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symfony is the ultimate tool
Symfony is the ultimate tool
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
• based on MVC
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
• based on MVC
• automation of common tasks
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
• based on MVC
• automation of common tasks
• supports agile approach
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
• based on MVC
• automation of common tasks
• supports agile approach
• MIT license
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
• based on MVC
• automation of common tasks
• supports agile approach
• MIT license
• DRY
Symfony is the ultimate tool
• full-stack framework
• based on MVC
• automation of common tasks
• supports agile approach
• MIT license
• DRY
• All the buzzwords
Symfony is the ultimate tool
Symfony is the ultimate tool


•   Learning curve is more steep
Symfony is the ultimate tool


•   Learning curve is more steep

•   Has to fit your project
Symfony is the ultimate tool


•   Learning curve is more steep

•   Has to fit your project

•   Has to fit your project team
Symfony is the ultimate tool


•   Learning curve is more steep

•   Has to fit your project

•   Has to fit your project team

•   There is no single ultimate tool
symfony is the ultimate tool



        The Verdict
symfony is the ultimate tool



        The Verdict
Reference

•   http://www.symfony-project.org/doc/

•   http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/06/23/
    the-symfony-1-1-architecture

•   http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2009/02/18/
    dailymotion-powered-by-symfony

•   http://www.symfony-framework.nl/
Questions?

•   http://joind.in/233

•   http://www.leftontheweb.com/

•   http://www.twitter.com/skoop

•   http://www.ibuildings.com/

•   http://www.slideshare.net/skoop

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