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All „no“-s 
Obstacles among older rural men 
to be active in the community 
Tiina Tambaum 
Tallinn University, Estonian Institute for Population Studies
Estonia Malta 
Population 1,3 M 0,4 M 
Area 45 000 km² 300 km² 
Area per face 0,0348 km²/pers 0,0008 km²/pers 
Density 28,6 pers/km² 1320 pers/km² 
SKT per capita $ 22 000 $ 27 000 
Independence 1991 (1918-40) 1964
Tallinn 
Ruhnu 
Population total 1 300 000 
65+ 240 000 
27% up to 25 
18% older than 65 
M/F ratio among 65-85 2 M : 3 F 
Among 85+ 1 M : 3 F 
Estonia 
15 counties: 
226 municipalities 
(193 rural municipalities + 33 towns) 
Tallinn: 400 000 inhabitants 
Smallest: Ruhnu island: 60 
Tartu municipality: 7000 
The municipality of Tartu provides low 
level educational opportunities for older 
adults. Almost no offers for older men. 
20% of retaired people are still employed 
The average number of healthy years 55 
Retariment age 2014 63 for men 62 for women (growing gradually till 65 by 2027) 
Avarage old-age pension 340 eur
Research problem 
Theory 
Learning has always the entity of activeness. 
According to socio-cultural approach learning occurs only in interaction. 
(Dewey, Piaget, Vygotsky, Leontev, Bahktin; Cole; Lave; Wenger; Rogoff) 
All kinds of social involvement enhance cognitive functions (Engelhardt et al., 2010). 
Reality 
There is only few older men active in interaction in communities. There 
is the need to find different ways to attract them and engage them. 
Survey OMAL 
Direct questions about wishes, motivation and organisational expectations of 
men regarding readiness to be involved social interaction. 
Phenomenological approach to data: Older men were not explicitly asked 
about their obstacles to be active in the community. Nevertheless, they 
felt it necessary to talk about their barriers.
Semistructured interviews (1–1,5 h) 
31 respondents 
Respondents by age 
in their 50-s 2 men (disabled) 
in their 60-s 15 men 
in their 70-s 11 men 
in their 80-s 3 men 
The main activity status: 
retirement age, non-working 23 men 
retirement age, working 6 men 
disabled, non-working 2 men 
Education level 
7 with higher education 
4 with vocational education 
20 with secondary or basic education 
Different villages and towns as 
geographic location 
Inductive content analysis method
Results 
Major groups of internal reasons that prevent older men 
from participating in social interaction: 
1. no people around 
2. self-imposed psychological limits related to age and 
maturity 
3. general disillusionment 
4. domestic comfort zone that reinforces disengagement
1. no people around 
Engagement in learning endeavours presuppose a good 
company. The reality is different: 
> Friends are dead (8) 
> Do not like the rest of acquaintances (5) 
> People have changed (8) 
> There are unfamiliar (new) people in the village (15); 
> People are simply reluctant to join in activities (3). 
“Only recently the municipality organised a tour of Piusa for pensioners. First, I 
asked around the village, who would like to come. But they did not bother. And I 
will not go alone if I have nobody to talk to. I didn’t go. But I will go in the winter [to 
a seniors’ party], if for no other reason than to talk with S.”
2. psychological limits related to age 
and maturity 
> People compare their current condition with their 
previous selves (31) 
> People compare themselves with younger people (5) 
“Learning is such a thing that – well, you can read but you will not remember any 
of that.“ 
“On many occasions I feel that have run out of time to start something big, to 
waste capital.“ 
> Ability to predict the outcome (13) which make 
things boring 
> Difficult to find new things to get excited about (14). 
“I am not that stupid to start learning something now. I have intermediate skills. 
These are sufficient activities to fill the hours.” 
“I will not start doing things like Kihnu Virve [a woman who made a parachute 
jump at 80 years of age]. I would have the courage, but what’s the point?”
Sense of superiority acts as a barrier 
between a person and changing society 
Out of interviewed 31 men 
7 were using or had used a computer 
4 were against computers as a matter of principle. 
20 were vague and hesitant in their opinions believing, 
on the one hand, that they do not need a computer 
while musing, on the other, that they should probably 
learn to use a computer. 
“I cannot use a computer, I get a headache. I do not want to learn. (Pause.) 
Actually, it would be good to learn to use a computer. Payments and stuff. But 
where would you go. Things [with learning] have not been finished. My brother 
knows how. A good teacher would be good; one who would not get upset with a 
dullard.”
3. A general sense of disappointment 
> Distrust of strange phenomena and frustration about 
the state, the culture and the modern way of life (18) 
“Our country is built like this. Have you ever heard someone talking about the 
republic’s best plumber or the best toilet cleaner? They talk about artists! You can 
live without art but what would you do if your toilet is clogged?” 
“They fill sausages with bone paste, for God’s sake! You try to grill them and they 
start to foam!” 
> Criticism about the nation (6) 
> Criticism about the status of a pensioner (16) 
“In Sweden, you could see on the streets that people are stress-free. If a person is 
stress-free he will immediately recognise stress. I was asked, ‘What is wrong?’ 
Everybody stared at me like I was an elephant. As far as I know, I do try to smile. 
But I still have wrinkles in my face. “
Evidence from the Belgian Ageing Studies (De Donder, 2011) demonstrates that 
neighbourhoods with poor physical environments and limited access to services 
increase feelings of insecurity. 
Dead circle: The disappointment is a result of social 
passivity. But only social inclusion could break the general 
disappointment
4. Domestic comfort zone as a barrier 
Increasing number of personal items including equipments 
for different activities makes people more individualistic. 
Children living farther away as a force majeure. Older rural 
men can never be sure when the long-expected guests 
arrive, it seems wiser not to make any appointments at all 
“The friends are no longer expecting us. You always have to call in advance. In the 
past, you could even go at midnight but now – they take the flowers and then tell 
you that they have to go to the city, because their daughter is visiting and wants to 
go with them [to the city]” 
“You cannot plan everything in advance – if the grandchildren need something, I 
will go with them.”
When the men talked about social obstacles, the 
discussion was limited to describing the problem. 
No solutions or compensating mechanisms were 
suggested.
Recommendations: Events with the deliberate aim of 
introducing people to each other 
Awareness that managing one’s social health is as 
important as working on physical health. 
“What do you call yourself an adventure?“ 
Encourage and instruct them to share their skills
Thank you! 
tiina.tambaum@tlu.ee 
50% of Estonia is covered with different forests

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  • 1. All „no“-s Obstacles among older rural men to be active in the community Tiina Tambaum Tallinn University, Estonian Institute for Population Studies
  • 2. Estonia Malta Population 1,3 M 0,4 M Area 45 000 km² 300 km² Area per face 0,0348 km²/pers 0,0008 km²/pers Density 28,6 pers/km² 1320 pers/km² SKT per capita $ 22 000 $ 27 000 Independence 1991 (1918-40) 1964
  • 3. Tallinn Ruhnu Population total 1 300 000 65+ 240 000 27% up to 25 18% older than 65 M/F ratio among 65-85 2 M : 3 F Among 85+ 1 M : 3 F Estonia 15 counties: 226 municipalities (193 rural municipalities + 33 towns) Tallinn: 400 000 inhabitants Smallest: Ruhnu island: 60 Tartu municipality: 7000 The municipality of Tartu provides low level educational opportunities for older adults. Almost no offers for older men. 20% of retaired people are still employed The average number of healthy years 55 Retariment age 2014 63 for men 62 for women (growing gradually till 65 by 2027) Avarage old-age pension 340 eur
  • 4. Research problem Theory Learning has always the entity of activeness. According to socio-cultural approach learning occurs only in interaction. (Dewey, Piaget, Vygotsky, Leontev, Bahktin; Cole; Lave; Wenger; Rogoff) All kinds of social involvement enhance cognitive functions (Engelhardt et al., 2010). Reality There is only few older men active in interaction in communities. There is the need to find different ways to attract them and engage them. Survey OMAL Direct questions about wishes, motivation and organisational expectations of men regarding readiness to be involved social interaction. Phenomenological approach to data: Older men were not explicitly asked about their obstacles to be active in the community. Nevertheless, they felt it necessary to talk about their barriers.
  • 5. Semistructured interviews (1–1,5 h) 31 respondents Respondents by age in their 50-s 2 men (disabled) in their 60-s 15 men in their 70-s 11 men in their 80-s 3 men The main activity status: retirement age, non-working 23 men retirement age, working 6 men disabled, non-working 2 men Education level 7 with higher education 4 with vocational education 20 with secondary or basic education Different villages and towns as geographic location Inductive content analysis method
  • 6. Results Major groups of internal reasons that prevent older men from participating in social interaction: 1. no people around 2. self-imposed psychological limits related to age and maturity 3. general disillusionment 4. domestic comfort zone that reinforces disengagement
  • 7. 1. no people around Engagement in learning endeavours presuppose a good company. The reality is different: > Friends are dead (8) > Do not like the rest of acquaintances (5) > People have changed (8) > There are unfamiliar (new) people in the village (15); > People are simply reluctant to join in activities (3). “Only recently the municipality organised a tour of Piusa for pensioners. First, I asked around the village, who would like to come. But they did not bother. And I will not go alone if I have nobody to talk to. I didn’t go. But I will go in the winter [to a seniors’ party], if for no other reason than to talk with S.”
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  • 9. 2. psychological limits related to age and maturity > People compare their current condition with their previous selves (31) > People compare themselves with younger people (5) “Learning is such a thing that – well, you can read but you will not remember any of that.“ “On many occasions I feel that have run out of time to start something big, to waste capital.“ > Ability to predict the outcome (13) which make things boring > Difficult to find new things to get excited about (14). “I am not that stupid to start learning something now. I have intermediate skills. These are sufficient activities to fill the hours.” “I will not start doing things like Kihnu Virve [a woman who made a parachute jump at 80 years of age]. I would have the courage, but what’s the point?”
  • 10. Sense of superiority acts as a barrier between a person and changing society Out of interviewed 31 men 7 were using or had used a computer 4 were against computers as a matter of principle. 20 were vague and hesitant in their opinions believing, on the one hand, that they do not need a computer while musing, on the other, that they should probably learn to use a computer. “I cannot use a computer, I get a headache. I do not want to learn. (Pause.) Actually, it would be good to learn to use a computer. Payments and stuff. But where would you go. Things [with learning] have not been finished. My brother knows how. A good teacher would be good; one who would not get upset with a dullard.”
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  • 12. 3. A general sense of disappointment > Distrust of strange phenomena and frustration about the state, the culture and the modern way of life (18) “Our country is built like this. Have you ever heard someone talking about the republic’s best plumber or the best toilet cleaner? They talk about artists! You can live without art but what would you do if your toilet is clogged?” “They fill sausages with bone paste, for God’s sake! You try to grill them and they start to foam!” > Criticism about the nation (6) > Criticism about the status of a pensioner (16) “In Sweden, you could see on the streets that people are stress-free. If a person is stress-free he will immediately recognise stress. I was asked, ‘What is wrong?’ Everybody stared at me like I was an elephant. As far as I know, I do try to smile. But I still have wrinkles in my face. “
  • 13. Evidence from the Belgian Ageing Studies (De Donder, 2011) demonstrates that neighbourhoods with poor physical environments and limited access to services increase feelings of insecurity. Dead circle: The disappointment is a result of social passivity. But only social inclusion could break the general disappointment
  • 14. 4. Domestic comfort zone as a barrier Increasing number of personal items including equipments for different activities makes people more individualistic. Children living farther away as a force majeure. Older rural men can never be sure when the long-expected guests arrive, it seems wiser not to make any appointments at all “The friends are no longer expecting us. You always have to call in advance. In the past, you could even go at midnight but now – they take the flowers and then tell you that they have to go to the city, because their daughter is visiting and wants to go with them [to the city]” “You cannot plan everything in advance – if the grandchildren need something, I will go with them.”
  • 15. When the men talked about social obstacles, the discussion was limited to describing the problem. No solutions or compensating mechanisms were suggested.
  • 16. Recommendations: Events with the deliberate aim of introducing people to each other Awareness that managing one’s social health is as important as working on physical health. “What do you call yourself an adventure?“ Encourage and instruct them to share their skills
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