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Typhoon vs Rafale
Basic hypothesis
•   Rafale C and Typhoon share the same aerodynamic configuration, means same CL
    (lift) and CD (drag) coefficients law [Cx(Mach, AoA)]. This is known as not realistic,
    but I do not have reliable data to differentiate them.
     – Subjective position may give less Drag at high Mach number to the Typhoon and better
       Lift at high AoA (>20) for the Rafale.
•   M88-2 and EJ-200 share same Thrust Profile (coefficient between static thrust and
    actual thrust at a given altitude and Mach number configuration) under M=1.8 ,
    even mounted behind 2 very different air intake, EJ-200 thrust is assumed to
    decrease only after M=2.2. This is known as not realistic, but I do not have reliable
    data to differentiate them.
•   Rafale C and Typhoon share Fly Control limits (AoA limitation versus G factor). This
    is known as not realistic, but I do not have reliable data to differentiate them.
     – Non confirmed information indicated higher AoA values allowed for the Rafale (Flight
       envelop of the Typhoon is still not fully open)
Basic Data

                                              DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2)
              Mass Control           lbs         kg                                    lbs          kg
      Empty Weight (lb)            19,974      9,048     Combat Weight
                                                                                    25,216       11,423
      Internal Fuel                10,486      4,750     (50% Fuel)

             Area Control          sqr. Ft      m2
      Area (Square feet)           497.99      45.72

                      CAT - I     CAT - III
           G                                                                        lbs/lbs.h    kg/daN.h
                     AoA Limit    AoA Limit
          1.00        35.00         20.00                Specic Conso (MIL Power)     0.78         0.80
          7.00        30.00         14.00                Specic Conso (AB)            1.67         1.70
         10.00        14.00         14.00

         Thust           lbs        kN
         Full AB       33,754       150
          MIL          22,503       100


                                           EADS Typhoon (EJ-200)
              Mass Control            lbs        kg                                     lbs         kg
      Empty Weight (lb)             24,283     11,000    Combat Weight
                                                                                     28,698       13,000
      Internal Fuel                 8,830       4,000    (50% Fuel)

             Area Control           sqr. Ft     m2
      Area (Square feet)            538.07     49.40

                       CAT - I    CAT - III
            G                                                                        lbs/lbs.h   kg/daN.h
                      AoA Limit   AoA Limit
           1.00         35.00      20.00                 Specic Conso (MIL Power)      0.81        0.83
           7.00         30.00      14.00                 Specic Conso (AB)             1.73        1.76
          10.00         14.00      14.00

         Thust           lbs         kN
         Full AB       40,505        180
          MIL          27,003        120
Thyphoon


Full AB Thrust (lbs)
                                                                                Full AB Thust


                                       50,000


                                       45,000


                                       40,000


                                       35,000


                                                                                                                          0
                                       30,000

    EADS Typhoon (EJ-200)                                                                                                 10,000
                                                                                                                          20,000




                              (lb)
                                       25,000                                                                             30,000
                                                                                                                          40,000
                                                                                                                          50,000
                                       20,000
                                                                                                                          60,000

                                       15,000


                                       10,000


                                        5,000


                                            0
                                             0.00      0.25    0.50   0.75   1.00             1.25   1.50   1.75   2.00
                                                                                     Mach
                                                                                      Rafale C
                                                                                    Full AB Thust


                                        50,000


                                        45,000


                                        40,000


                                        35,000


                                                                                                                          0
                                        30,000
                                                                                                                          10,000
                                                                                                                          20,000
                                (lb)




                                        25,000                                                                            30,000
                                                                                                                          40,000

  DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2)             20,000
                                                                                                                          50,000
                                                                                                                          60,000

                                        15,000


                                        10,000


                                         5,000


                                                0
                                                0.00    0.25   0.50   0.75   1.00             1.25   1.50   1.75   2.00
                                                                                     Mach
Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with 50% internal fuel (1/2)
                     Turn Performance at Sea level                                               Turn Performance at Sea level
                               Rafale C                                                                    Typhoon
                    Drag Index : 0 / GW = 25,200 lbs                                             Drag Index : 0 GW = 28,700 lbs
                                Full AB                                                                     Full AB

36                                                                            36
                                                                2G                                                                          2G


                                                                5G                                                                          5G


32                                                              7G            32                                                            7G


                                                                9G                                                                          9G

                                                                -400                                                                        -400

28                                                                            28
                                                                -200                                                                        -200


                                                                0                                                                           0


                                                                200                                                                         200
24                                                                            24

                                                                400                                                                         400


                                                                600                                                                         600

20                                                                            20
                                                                800                                                                         800
(deg / s)




                                                                              (deg / s)
                                                                CAT- I                                                                      CAT- I
                                                                Limit                                                                       Limit

16                                                                            16




12                                                                            12




  8                                                                             8




  4                                                                             4




  0                                                                             0
   0.00      0.20   0.40     0.60   Mach   0.80   1.00   1.20          1.40      0.00     0.20   0.40    0.60   Mach   0.80   1.00   1.20          1.40
Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with 50% internal fuel (2/2)




•   Rafale C main data for Turn performance at sea level are:
     – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 30.00 deg/s at M=0.50
     – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 23.9 deg/s at M=0.60
•   Typhoon main data for Turn performance at sea level are:
     – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 29.33 deg/s at M=0.50
     – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 23.4 deg/s at M=0.60
•   Very small, quite un-significant, advantage to the Rafale in turn performance
    in such configuration.

      Horizontal evolution capabilities of the two planes are very similar.



                       Rafale                   Typhoon
Maximum Excess Specific Power with 50% internal fuel

     DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2)
                                         • This tables show best Excess Specific Power
Alt (ft)   CAS
                 Maximum Ps
                    Mach    Ps (ft/s)
                                           (Ps) at 1G, it indicates mainly the initial climb
   0       592      0.90      918          rate
 5,000     540      0.90      889
10,000
15,000
           519
           483
                    0.95
                    0.98
                              855
                              738
                                         • Typhoon demonstrate higher Excess Specific
20,000     466      1.05      619          Power than the Rafale at all altitude (around
25,000     440      1.10      557
30,000     414      1.16      492          10% higher at sea level) in this configuration
35,000
40,000
           383
           339
                    1.20
                    1.20
                              438
                              377          (no external loads, 50% internal fuel).
                                          Vertical evolution capabilities of the Typhoon
45,000     372      1.48      217
50,000     324      1.46       86
55,000     319      1.62       29
                                                            are better (10%).

     EADS Typhoon (EJ-200)
                 Vz Maximale
Alt (ft)   CAS      Mach     Vz (ft/s)




                                                                               Typhoon
                                                      Rafale
   0       592       0.90     1020
 5,000     553       0.92      981
10,000     541       0.99      950
15,000     494       1.00      821
20,000     487       1.09      701
25,000     460       1.15      635
30,000     430       1.20      566
35,000     383       1.20      500
40,000     339       1.20      424
45,000     382       1.52      273
50,000     377       1.69      130
55,000     335       1.70       70
Energy (Ps) / Mach Diagram with 50% internal fuel
                                               Energy / Mach Diagram
                                                      Typhoon
                                            Drag Index : 0 GW = 28,700 lbs
                                                       Full AB

           60,000



           50,000


                                                                                                                                 • Rafale C gross weight is less
                                                                                                                                   (25,200lbs) but due to extra
           40,000                                                                                                      0
                                                                                                                       200
                                                                                                                       400
Alt (ft)




                                                                                                                                   thrust, Typhoon demonstrate
           30,000                                                                                                      600
                                                                                                                       800
                                                                                                                       IAS=800

           20,000
                                                                                                                                   superior Energy (Ps) at quite
           10,000
                                                                                                                                   all altitude and Mach giving
               0
                0.00   0.20   0.40   0.60      0.80     1.00          1.20   1.40    1.60   1.80    2.00    2.20
                                                                                                                                   him advantage in climb and
                                                               Mach


                                                Energy / Mach Diagram
                                                                                                                                   acceleration
                                                                                                                                 • Maximum Mach number of
                                                       Rafale C
                                            Drag Index : 0 / GW = 25,200 lbs
                                                        Full AB

           60,000
                                                                                                                                   Rafale is 1.8 compared to Mach
           50,000                                                                                                                  2.0 for Typhoon, mainly due to
           40,000                                                                                                  0               stealth characteristics of Rafale
                                                                                                                                   Air Intake and lack of mobile
                                                                                                                   200
                                                                                                                   400
Alt (ft)




           30,000                                                                                                  600


                                                                                                                                   devices leading to loss of thrust
                                                                                                                   800
                                                                                                                   IAS=800




                                                                                                                                   for higher mach number
           20,000



           10,000



               0
                0.00   0.20   0.40   0.60      0.80    1.00           1.20   1.40   1.60    1.80   2.00    2.20
                                                               Mach
Configuration for 45’ Cruise



•   Cruise is supposed to be at FL300 and Mach=0.9, no external loads, and without
    after burner (fuel consumption is supposed to be the best specific one gave by
    engine manufacturer)
•   Rafale C (M88-2)
     – cruise configuration sustained with a thrust of 3,737 lbs leading to a fuel flow of 2,933
       lbs/h,
     – 45 minutes of fly in such condition require 2,200 lbs of fuel, given a gross weight of
       22,175 lbs
•   Typhoon (EJ-200)
     – cruise configuration sustained with a thrust of 4,040 lbs leading to a fuel flow of 3,289
       lbs/h,
     – 45 minutes of fly in such condition require 2,467 lbs of fuel, given a gross weight of
       26,749 lbs
Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with 45’ cruise (1/2)

                     Turn Performance at Sea level                                               Turn Performance at Sea level
                               Rafale C                                                                    Typhoon
                    Drag Index : 0 / GW = 22,175 lbs                                             Drag Index : 0 GW = 26,750 lbs
                                Full AB                                                                     Full AB

36                                                                            36
                                                                2G                                                                          2G

                                                                5G                                                                          5G


32                                                              7G            32                                                            7G


                                                                9G                                                                          9G

                                                                -400                                                                        -400
28                                                                            28
                                                                -200                                                                        -200


                                                                0                                                                           0


24                                                              200                                                                         200
                                                                              24

                                                                400                                                                         400

                                                                600                                                                         600

20                                                                            20
                                                                800                                                                         800
(deg / s)




                                                                              (deg / s)
                                                                CAT- I                                                                      CAT- I
                                                                Limit                                                                       Limit

16                                                                            16




12                                                                            12




  8                                                                             8




  4                                                                             4




  0                                                                             0
   0.00      0.20   0.40     0.60   Mach   0.80   1.00   1.20          1.40      0.00     0.20   0.40    0.60   Mach   0.80   1.00   1.20          1.40
Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with with 45’ cruise (2/2)



•   Rafale C main data for Turn performance at sea level are:
     – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 32.10 deg/s at M=0.45 (R= 895 ft)
     – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 26.25 deg/s at M=0.55 (R=1,340 ft)
•   Typhoon main data for Turn performance at sea level are:
     – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 30.2 deg/s at M=0.50 (R=1,060 ft)
     – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 25.1 deg/s at M=0.60 (R=1,529 ft)
•   Better Turn rate (Maximum and sustained) at lower speed (so with lower Turn
    radius), give to the Rafale a significant advantage in horizontal evolution in
    such configuration.

           Horizontal evolution capabilities of the Rafale are better.



                                                Typhoon
                      Rafale
Maximum Excess Specific Power with 45’ cruise fuel

     DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2)

                 Vz Maximale             • This tables show best Excess Specific Power
Alt (ft)
   0
           CAS
           592
                    Mach
                     0.90
                             Vz (ft/s)
                              1044
                                           (Ps) at 1G, it indicates mainly the initial climb
 5,000     540       0.90     1011         rate and vertical evolution capability in
10,000     519       0.95      972
15,000     483       0.98      839         dogfight.
20,000     466       1.05      704
25,000     440       1.10      634       • Typhoon still demonstrate higher Excess
30,000     414       1.16      560
35,000     383       1.20      498         Specific Power than the Rafale at all altitude
40,000
45,000
           339
           301
                     1.20
                     1.20
                               429
                               317         (around 5% higher at sea level) but advantage
50,000
55,000
           335
           334
                     1.50
                     1.69
                               122
                                59
                                           is lower in this configuration.
                                          Vertical evolution capabilities of the Typhoon
     EADS Typhoon (EJ-200)
                                                             are better (5%).
                 Vz Maximale
Alt (ft)   CAS      Mach     Vz (ft/s)
   0       592       0.90     1095
 5,000     553       0.92     1053




                                                                               Typhoon
                                                      Rafale
10,000     541       0.99     1019
15,000     494       1.00      881
20,000     487       1.09      752
25,000     460       1.15      681
30,000     430       1.20      607
35,000     383       1.20      537
40,000     339       1.20      459
45,000     368       1.47      301
50,000     370       1.66      153
55,000     335       1.70       89

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Rafale vs typhoon

  • 2. Basic hypothesis • Rafale C and Typhoon share the same aerodynamic configuration, means same CL (lift) and CD (drag) coefficients law [Cx(Mach, AoA)]. This is known as not realistic, but I do not have reliable data to differentiate them. – Subjective position may give less Drag at high Mach number to the Typhoon and better Lift at high AoA (>20) for the Rafale. • M88-2 and EJ-200 share same Thrust Profile (coefficient between static thrust and actual thrust at a given altitude and Mach number configuration) under M=1.8 , even mounted behind 2 very different air intake, EJ-200 thrust is assumed to decrease only after M=2.2. This is known as not realistic, but I do not have reliable data to differentiate them. • Rafale C and Typhoon share Fly Control limits (AoA limitation versus G factor). This is known as not realistic, but I do not have reliable data to differentiate them. – Non confirmed information indicated higher AoA values allowed for the Rafale (Flight envelop of the Typhoon is still not fully open)
  • 3. Basic Data DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2) Mass Control lbs kg lbs kg Empty Weight (lb) 19,974 9,048 Combat Weight 25,216 11,423 Internal Fuel 10,486 4,750 (50% Fuel) Area Control sqr. Ft m2 Area (Square feet) 497.99 45.72 CAT - I CAT - III G lbs/lbs.h kg/daN.h AoA Limit AoA Limit 1.00 35.00 20.00 Specic Conso (MIL Power) 0.78 0.80 7.00 30.00 14.00 Specic Conso (AB) 1.67 1.70 10.00 14.00 14.00 Thust lbs kN Full AB 33,754 150 MIL 22,503 100 EADS Typhoon (EJ-200) Mass Control lbs kg lbs kg Empty Weight (lb) 24,283 11,000 Combat Weight 28,698 13,000 Internal Fuel 8,830 4,000 (50% Fuel) Area Control sqr. Ft m2 Area (Square feet) 538.07 49.40 CAT - I CAT - III G lbs/lbs.h kg/daN.h AoA Limit AoA Limit 1.00 35.00 20.00 Specic Conso (MIL Power) 0.81 0.83 7.00 30.00 14.00 Specic Conso (AB) 1.73 1.76 10.00 14.00 14.00 Thust lbs kN Full AB 40,505 180 MIL 27,003 120
  • 4. Thyphoon Full AB Thrust (lbs) Full AB Thust 50,000 45,000 40,000 35,000 0 30,000 EADS Typhoon (EJ-200) 10,000 20,000 (lb) 25,000 30,000 40,000 50,000 20,000 60,000 15,000 10,000 5,000 0 0.00 0.25 0.50 0.75 1.00 1.25 1.50 1.75 2.00 Mach Rafale C Full AB Thust 50,000 45,000 40,000 35,000 0 30,000 10,000 20,000 (lb) 25,000 30,000 40,000 DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2) 20,000 50,000 60,000 15,000 10,000 5,000 0 0.00 0.25 0.50 0.75 1.00 1.25 1.50 1.75 2.00 Mach
  • 5. Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with 50% internal fuel (1/2) Turn Performance at Sea level Turn Performance at Sea level Rafale C Typhoon Drag Index : 0 / GW = 25,200 lbs Drag Index : 0 GW = 28,700 lbs Full AB Full AB 36 36 2G 2G 5G 5G 32 7G 32 7G 9G 9G -400 -400 28 28 -200 -200 0 0 200 200 24 24 400 400 600 600 20 20 800 800 (deg / s) (deg / s) CAT- I CAT- I Limit Limit 16 16 12 12 8 8 4 4 0 0 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.60 Mach 0.80 1.00 1.20 1.40 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.60 Mach 0.80 1.00 1.20 1.40
  • 6. Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with 50% internal fuel (2/2) • Rafale C main data for Turn performance at sea level are: – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 30.00 deg/s at M=0.50 – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 23.9 deg/s at M=0.60 • Typhoon main data for Turn performance at sea level are: – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 29.33 deg/s at M=0.50 – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 23.4 deg/s at M=0.60 • Very small, quite un-significant, advantage to the Rafale in turn performance in such configuration. Horizontal evolution capabilities of the two planes are very similar. Rafale Typhoon
  • 7. Maximum Excess Specific Power with 50% internal fuel DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2) • This tables show best Excess Specific Power Alt (ft) CAS Maximum Ps Mach Ps (ft/s) (Ps) at 1G, it indicates mainly the initial climb 0 592 0.90 918 rate 5,000 540 0.90 889 10,000 15,000 519 483 0.95 0.98 855 738 • Typhoon demonstrate higher Excess Specific 20,000 466 1.05 619 Power than the Rafale at all altitude (around 25,000 440 1.10 557 30,000 414 1.16 492 10% higher at sea level) in this configuration 35,000 40,000 383 339 1.20 1.20 438 377 (no external loads, 50% internal fuel). Vertical evolution capabilities of the Typhoon 45,000 372 1.48 217 50,000 324 1.46 86 55,000 319 1.62 29 are better (10%). EADS Typhoon (EJ-200) Vz Maximale Alt (ft) CAS Mach Vz (ft/s) Typhoon Rafale 0 592 0.90 1020 5,000 553 0.92 981 10,000 541 0.99 950 15,000 494 1.00 821 20,000 487 1.09 701 25,000 460 1.15 635 30,000 430 1.20 566 35,000 383 1.20 500 40,000 339 1.20 424 45,000 382 1.52 273 50,000 377 1.69 130 55,000 335 1.70 70
  • 8. Energy (Ps) / Mach Diagram with 50% internal fuel Energy / Mach Diagram Typhoon Drag Index : 0 GW = 28,700 lbs Full AB 60,000 50,000 • Rafale C gross weight is less (25,200lbs) but due to extra 40,000 0 200 400 Alt (ft) thrust, Typhoon demonstrate 30,000 600 800 IAS=800 20,000 superior Energy (Ps) at quite 10,000 all altitude and Mach giving 0 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.60 0.80 1.00 1.20 1.40 1.60 1.80 2.00 2.20 him advantage in climb and Mach Energy / Mach Diagram acceleration • Maximum Mach number of Rafale C Drag Index : 0 / GW = 25,200 lbs Full AB 60,000 Rafale is 1.8 compared to Mach 50,000 2.0 for Typhoon, mainly due to 40,000 0 stealth characteristics of Rafale Air Intake and lack of mobile 200 400 Alt (ft) 30,000 600 devices leading to loss of thrust 800 IAS=800 for higher mach number 20,000 10,000 0 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.60 0.80 1.00 1.20 1.40 1.60 1.80 2.00 2.20 Mach
  • 9. Configuration for 45’ Cruise • Cruise is supposed to be at FL300 and Mach=0.9, no external loads, and without after burner (fuel consumption is supposed to be the best specific one gave by engine manufacturer) • Rafale C (M88-2) – cruise configuration sustained with a thrust of 3,737 lbs leading to a fuel flow of 2,933 lbs/h, – 45 minutes of fly in such condition require 2,200 lbs of fuel, given a gross weight of 22,175 lbs • Typhoon (EJ-200) – cruise configuration sustained with a thrust of 4,040 lbs leading to a fuel flow of 3,289 lbs/h, – 45 minutes of fly in such condition require 2,467 lbs of fuel, given a gross weight of 26,749 lbs
  • 10. Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with 45’ cruise (1/2) Turn Performance at Sea level Turn Performance at Sea level Rafale C Typhoon Drag Index : 0 / GW = 22,175 lbs Drag Index : 0 GW = 26,750 lbs Full AB Full AB 36 36 2G 2G 5G 5G 32 7G 32 7G 9G 9G -400 -400 28 28 -200 -200 0 0 24 200 200 24 400 400 600 600 20 20 800 800 (deg / s) (deg / s) CAT- I CAT- I Limit Limit 16 16 12 12 8 8 4 4 0 0 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.60 Mach 0.80 1.00 1.20 1.40 0.00 0.20 0.40 0.60 Mach 0.80 1.00 1.20 1.40
  • 11. Turn Rate Diagram at Sea level with with 45’ cruise (2/2) • Rafale C main data for Turn performance at sea level are: – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 32.10 deg/s at M=0.45 (R= 895 ft) – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 26.25 deg/s at M=0.55 (R=1,340 ft) • Typhoon main data for Turn performance at sea level are: – Maximum Turn Rate (CAT-I AoA limit) 30.2 deg/s at M=0.50 (R=1,060 ft) – Maximum sustained Turn Rate (Ps=0) 25.1 deg/s at M=0.60 (R=1,529 ft) • Better Turn rate (Maximum and sustained) at lower speed (so with lower Turn radius), give to the Rafale a significant advantage in horizontal evolution in such configuration. Horizontal evolution capabilities of the Rafale are better. Typhoon Rafale
  • 12. Maximum Excess Specific Power with 45’ cruise fuel DASSAULT Rafale C (M88-2) Vz Maximale • This tables show best Excess Specific Power Alt (ft) 0 CAS 592 Mach 0.90 Vz (ft/s) 1044 (Ps) at 1G, it indicates mainly the initial climb 5,000 540 0.90 1011 rate and vertical evolution capability in 10,000 519 0.95 972 15,000 483 0.98 839 dogfight. 20,000 466 1.05 704 25,000 440 1.10 634 • Typhoon still demonstrate higher Excess 30,000 414 1.16 560 35,000 383 1.20 498 Specific Power than the Rafale at all altitude 40,000 45,000 339 301 1.20 1.20 429 317 (around 5% higher at sea level) but advantage 50,000 55,000 335 334 1.50 1.69 122 59 is lower in this configuration. Vertical evolution capabilities of the Typhoon EADS Typhoon (EJ-200) are better (5%). Vz Maximale Alt (ft) CAS Mach Vz (ft/s) 0 592 0.90 1095 5,000 553 0.92 1053 Typhoon Rafale 10,000 541 0.99 1019 15,000 494 1.00 881 20,000 487 1.09 752 25,000 460 1.15 681 30,000 430 1.20 607 35,000 383 1.20 537 40,000 339 1.20 459 45,000 368 1.47 301 50,000 370 1.66 153 55,000 335 1.70 89